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originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Rex282
That's all well and good, but im no Christian either...
What im referring to is the basis of every religion through out history... the existence of "life" after the death of the body...
originally posted by: Akragon
Regardless of whether or not you want to call it Heaven or the afterlife... That is what religion is all about...
originally posted by: Akragon
you talk about the things Jesus said all the time... well that was the main idea behind everything he taught...
the FACT that life continues after the death of the body
Text You got the passage... Why do you believe the gospel of John is a time line of events that took place in order? Johns gospel was pieced together from many different texts... it wasn't meant to be a time line written in chronological order... and besides that... do you actually believe no one ever made it to heaven before he arrived? Let me guess... you're also of the belief that only 144k people ever make it there... Amirite?
This person you are talking about sounds an awful lot like the Jesus in the New Testament.
Yahoshua clearly stated this was Not his Kingdom.
Which was what, being a reasonable person?
....Yahoshua accomplished his purpose ...
Text Being a Christain doesn't have anything to do with what I said. Many people believe "Christian doctrines"(like...a place called heaven..where you go to after you die) and are just as wrong.
originally posted by: Rex282
ALL of mankind WILL enter into the Kingdom of God realm AFTER they have been resurrected from the realm of death.The only prerequisite is...NOTHING!
originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: nenothtu
Dead hitler and stalin would crush you bro, remember, they have a lot of their dead armies killed in the wars too
That is an argument if you are dealing with people who think that "God" is only this single entity, where any god-like being has to, for some reason, just be a different manifestation of the same entity.
Most people who are even remotely familiar with Biblical stories do not believe that Jesus is God. When Jesus asked his Father to not let him be crucified unless it was absolutely necessary, Jesus was NOT talking to himself!
Read 'The Case For Christ' by Lee Strobel. He was a 'spiritual skeptic' until he started investigating and writing this book which presents evidence of why Jesus was/is God.
I mentioned this on another thread, that the Greek is ambiguous here and could be interpreted as "he" or "it".
before the beginning there was God and the Word was with God and the Word was God... The Word of God Is none other than Jesus...
It is generally thought that Paul here was quoting a song that was used in the church that was about Jesus, in order to make an illustration to emphasize his point about how to be humble.
Because parts of the bible outside of Jesus and his words say so I guess.
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God
It's very explicit in Paul's epistles that Jesus is God/Yahweh, yet Jesus never calls himself God.. Paul authored over half of the NT with 13 epistles, he is the one who twisted Jesus' words IMO.
See my post above on Jesus' saying to Nicodemus.
In Mat 24, Jesus connected the return of the Son of Man to the Day of the Lord. Jesus is the Son of Man and therefore the Lord by context.
Matt 24: 29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL
BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 “And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.
Trinitarianism was around for a long time before then.
This doctrine entered Christianity early on with the creation of the Roman Church
By taking bits from older religions and adding a triune god, they placated those that believed in the other pagan gods, that often included a father mother and son
That would be the case with what was to become the so-called orthodox view made official in the councils of the church (the corporate entity calling itself the church).
Also, by giving the people doctrines that only a priest can explain (well its just a mystery my darling)
They keep the power
Why do you think the church fought to no allow the bible to be translated into common languages for so long
Their lies would eventually be laid bare
Jesus was a prophet but at the same time the fulfillment of prophecy.
Here is my rebuttle ...
Throughout history god has always appointed prophets to relay messages to people . We only see that change at Christianity. . to me it makes more sense that Jesus was a great prophet because if you think about it, why would "god" create a part of him self to be killed to forgive mankind for sin? When as great as he is , he can just will something and it is ?
Also we are given the grace of repentance for sin.
Besides I don't think people were more wicked in those days then they are now.
That is talking about the Logos, what Jesus, the disciples, John the Baptist, and the writer of the Gospel of John had dwelling in them.
Jesus was always from the beginning with God .
Maybe you are thinking of Colossians 1:17
He is God and made all things and is holding every atom and molecule together with his "Dunamis" It is the Greek word for "Power" .
The creation it is talking about is of the church, and he is the head of it.
Colossians 1:15 says about Jesus
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation
That is as clear as can be.
Jesus is the first of God's creation, all else was created after Jesus.
Brings meaning to Genesis, "Let us create Man in our image". Jesus was created in the image of God, Mankind was made in the image of Them, by Them together.
Colossians 1:16 - For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Jesus clearly has the power of creation. All else seems to be created solely by Jesus for Jesus, except Mankind from Genesis which says they created Mankind together.
There are people who think that the visionary rider on the white horse is Jesus, but I see it as representing the literal Word of God.
In Revelation 19, there are references that read, “His name is called The Word of God.”
That is one interpretation, it doesn't say that.
"The most important thing to know about this Word is found in verse 14: “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.” The Word refers to Jesus Christ.
Which could just mean to understand it, and not necessarily literally see it. The idea is that Jesus is saying that he is of a higher importance in the big scheme of things, than Abraham, who just knew that eventually down the line of his descendants, great things would come about.
Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.
This is one of those cute little word games that some people play when they get desperate, which is to take a part out of context where you don't notice it is the end of one sentence, and the beginning of another sentence.
God was made manifest in the flesh. ~ 1 Timothy 3:16
This fails to recognize that the Greek has it as "worlds", plural. The actual word is "ages", and now, with Jesus and his word on earth, there is the old age, and the new age of Christ, which he created.
...in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. ~ Heb. 1:2
"All". I think, is being abused if you try to make it mean more that should be obviously what it was intended to mean, which is the church.
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. ~ 1 Corinthians 8:6
The "by Jesus Christ" part is not in the text but is added by the translator as his interpretation.
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ ~ Ephesians 3:9
originally posted by: roth1
Jesus never in the bible said he was god. He always claimed to be the son of god. If the had claimed to be god gov would have killed him much sooner. The Jews would not have had to beg to have him executed. Where did this come from? The church not the bible? Remember the bible says that god said not to worship any before him. Isn't this against the bible? I don't know for sure if this is a conspiracy, but some group propagated this for some intent.