Israel to Charge Three Jews with Palestinian Murder

originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: lostbook

Umm...you kinda forgot about the missile launchings into Israeli cities from the Gaza by Hamas. There would not have been a huge blowback but for that.

You forgot about the years of denigration and humiliation and oppression by the Israelis. If not for that there would be no terrorists. There just wouldn't.

a reply to: DeadSeraph

A step in the right direction, agreed.

Unfortunately you do not (and probably never will) see the palestinian side doing likewise.

originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: buster2010

Yeah, forget about rule of law.

What about those who killed the 3 jewish kids?

Has Israel found them yet?

originally posted by: Snarl
a reply to: buster2010
What you said

Set them on fire and let them burn to death

disgusts me.

Now I understand your mindset when it comes to the Israeli/Palestinian issue. You're as bad as 'they' are.

So what would you do with a child killer? Pat them on the hand then let them sit in a cell for a few years?

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: Snarl
a reply to: buster2010
What you said

Set them on fire and let them burn to death

disgusts me.

Now I understand your mindset when it comes to the Israeli/Palestinian issue. You're as bad as 'they' are.

So what would you do with a child killer? Pat them on the hand then let them sit in a cell for a few years?

I would _not_ set them on fire through force of law.

You may have the last word now. I'm through here. Thanks for the 'rational' exchange of dialogue.

Forever!!!

I don't think you guys know what's happening

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a reply to: lostbook

Anybody remember the space plane X-37 A B and C....that's on a 'secret mission'


en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: TerrorAlertRed
Anybody remember the space plane X-37 A B and C....that's on a 'secret mission'

en.wikipedia.org...

Yes, I do. What about them?

www.digitalattackmap.com...

sneaky little space plane

a reply to: lostbook

originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: buster2010

Yeah, forget about rule of law.

What about those who killed the 3 jewish kids?

Stop trying to reason with Buster, it's simply impossible. Hilarious how all the haters come here to continue to hate.

Was that "charge 3 Jews" or 3 million Jews?

a reply to: Rosinitiate

Here's the deal. Israel, like other western nations, is civilized. Has gone through the civilization process. Universities, philosophies, etc. So that nowadays our media talks about damn near everything. Moral consciousness is our thing. We do it better than the Arab world.

So the Israeli Palestinian conflict could also be framed as a conflict between the consciousness of the west verses the consciousness of Islamic world. The wests consciousness has been informed by sophisticated scientific study of the natural world and highly nuanced philosophical and humanistic studies of human nature. The Arab world, or the Islamic world (including Iran, Indonesia, etc) is informed mostly by a 1300 year old book that tries (as the Hebrew Bible, Christian Bible, and many other holy texts) to convince people that all the knowledge of the universe can be condensed in story about military campaigns. War mostly. Interspersed with talks of ethics.

However 'inspired' the Quran is, it's status as a source of knowledge in the Islamic world is manifold times more than the Bible in the western world. We've achieved something pivotal called the separation of church from state. By doing so, we allowed the evidences of science i.e empirical proof, guide our society. By doing so we've made the world a far better place. And yes, we still have a # load more to do.

The Israelis aren't acting solely out of political correctness by trying the 3 boys. This is something that is actually felt and inculcated in Israeli classrooms. The status of Arabic as the nations co-official language. This wouldn't happen in an "apartheid" state. Nor would there be Arab Judges, Arab MP's, etc. The Israelis go this far because they truly believe in the constancy between human ethnic or religious groups. They see the individual, embedded in a social-dynamic created by men who've died, but whose values have lived on through the generations, changed a little from time to time, but more or less remaining the same - in sternness, in a basic metaphysical doctrine that implies complete annihilation before a concept. Israelis think in terms of psychology, sociology, political science, comparative religion, physics, the Israelis are a SELF AWARE society. Conversely, the Arab world, has not quite yet reached a state of overt 'self awareness'. Theres been a flicker from time to time, but it is continually be challenged by an atavistic fundamentalism that wont give up its empty, self righteous theory of things.

Morally, a morally conscious person will a priori stand on the side of the Israelis because they understand what they represent vis-a-vis the obstructive forces that work within Arab politics. Just think of Hamas. Think, seriously, of what you're asking for when you sympathize with their cause. They would - and already do - enforce laws that would be deemed discriminatory by our deservedly termed "enlightened" standards. And even in terms of the life and the opportunities each woman could have. Supporting Hamas is agreeing to a bigoted misogynistic society where women are denied the right to certain basic rights - so long as they do not conflict with whats stated in the Quran. The issue of divorce, property rights, etc, women are essentially and acceptably second class citizens no ifs and or buts about it.

I really hope and believe that Palestinians and all surrounding Islamic countries will be more influenced by a moderate Islam, at peace with what the modern world has done to the human mind - to not fight it, but accept how it happened, how human beings came to where we are today, with all our knowing, we can know and should all agree that peace is dependent on our seeing one another not as "pieces" to be claimed. Not to think of one another as "objects" to be controlled. We have to see that we all essentially want to be free from harm, from anxiety, from shame, from pain, in short. When a true humanistic element develops in the Islamic world, we can trust that they will act sanely and in conformity to what has been discovered by the West and East (Asia). Theres a certain standard, a basic idea, that is discovered by the human mind when it is open. But when it is closed - by rigid dogma - it's contents remain unknown.

originally posted by: Astrocyte
a reply to: Rosinitiate

Here's the deal. Israel, like other western nations, is civilized. Has gone through the civilization process. Universities, philosophies, etc. So that nowadays our media talks about damn near everything. Moral consciousness is our thing. We do it better than the Arab world.

So the Israeli Palestinian conflict could also be framed as a conflict between the consciousness of the west verses the consciousness of Islamic world. The wests consciousness has been informed by sophisticated scientific study of the natural world and highly nuanced philosophical and humanistic studies of human nature. The Arab world, or the Islamic world (including Iran, Indonesia, etc) is informed mostly by a 1300 year old book that tries (as the Hebrew Bible, Christian Bible, and many other holy texts) to convince people that all the knowledge of the universe can be condensed in story about military campaigns. War mostly. Interspersed with talks of ethics.

However 'inspired' the Quran is, it's status as a source of knowledge in the Islamic world is manifold times more than the Bible in the western world. We've achieved something pivotal called the separation of church from state. By doing so, we allowed the evidences of science i.e empirical proof, guide our society. By doing so we've made the world a far better place. And yes, we still have a # load more to do.

The Israelis aren't acting solely out of political correctness by trying the 3 boys. This is something that is actually felt and inculcated in Israeli classrooms. The status of Arabic as the nations co-official language. This wouldn't happen in an "apartheid" state. Nor would there be Arab Judges, Arab MP's, etc. The Israelis go this far because they truly believe in the constancy between human ethnic or religious groups. They see the individual, embedded in a social-dynamic created by men who've died, but whose values have lived on through the generations, changed a little from time to time, but more or less remaining the same - in sternness, in a basic metaphysical doctrine that implies complete annihilation before a concept. Israelis think in terms of psychology, sociology, political science, comparative religion, physics, the Israelis are a SELF AWARE society. Conversely, the Arab world, has not quite yet reached a state of overt 'self awareness'. Theres been a flicker from time to time, but it is continually be challenged by an atavistic fundamentalism that wont give up its empty, self righteous theory of things.

Morally, a morally conscious person will a priori stand on the side of the Israelis because they understand what they represent vis-a-vis the obstructive forces that work within Arab politics. Just think of Hamas. Think, seriously, of what you're asking for when you sympathize with their cause. They would - and already do - enforce laws that would be deemed discriminatory by our deservedly termed "enlightened" standards. And even in terms of the life and the opportunities each woman could have. Supporting Hamas is agreeing to a bigoted misogynistic society where women are denied the right to certain basic rights - so long as they do not conflict with whats stated in the Quran. The issue of divorce, property rights, etc, women are essentially and acceptably second class citizens no ifs and or buts about it.

I really hope and believe that Palestinians and all surrounding Islamic countries will be more influenced by a moderate Islam, at peace with what the modern world has done to the human mind - to not fight it, but accept how it happened, how human beings came to where we are today, with all our knowing, we can know and should all agree that peace is dependent on our seeing one another not as "pieces" to be claimed. Not to think of one another as "objects" to be controlled. We have to see that we all essentially want to be free from harm, from anxiety, from shame, from pain, in short. When a true humanistic element develops in the Islamic world, we can trust that they will act sanely and in conformity to what has been discovered by the West and East (Asia). Theres a certain standard, a basic idea, that is discovered by the human mind when it is open. But when it is closed - by rigid dogma - it's contents remain unknown.

I don't mean to be harsh because you post is well written and non hostile but truth be told, to put it politely, I would respectfully disagree with just about everything you said. These "unevolved" Muslims you speak of have had countless examples of times of peace and development. The issue always seems to be that sooner or later along comes a spider.... There was a time before the Taliban ever ruled where Afghanstan was a peaceful and western style country until it was bombed to the Stone Age. Libya was a beacon of what the Muslim world could be like before it was bombed into the Stone Age. Than we allow or install ruthless madmen to lead those nations as compliant puppet states. Anytime any nation in the Muslim world attempts any real genuine development WITHOUT accepting the puppet role status of the west will ALWAYS meet their end alla Tomahawk Cruise Missles.

You can't just bomb a country every 20 years or so and say: "look see, undeveloped and uncivilized".

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: Snarl

originally posted by: buster2010
Israel should do the same thing to them as they did to that child. Set them on fire and let them burn to death or better yet hand them over to the Palestinians seeing how the crime happened in Palestine.

You would actually condone that?

Most definitely murderers should be put to death. They burned this kid alive they didn't kill him then burn him. And whats wrong with turning them over to the Palestinians? They already admitted they committed the crime let the punishment fit the crime.

What about just putting them to prison? If they were Arabs and arrested that would be the procedure, right? However, of course in case of next hostage exchange... as matter of fairness those guys would also presumably have to be freed. (If one free murderers of Arab origin before end of their sentence, then in order not be racist one would have to free also murders of Jewish origin, right?)

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: buster2010

Yeah, forget about rule of law.

What about those who killed the 3 jewish kids?

Has Israel found them yet?

Do Palestinians know who did it? More then likely and they are not saying and will not turn over their own for trial.

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: lostbook

Umm...you kinda forgot about the missile launchings into Israeli cities from the Gaza by Hamas. There would not have been a huge blowback but for that.

You forgot about the years of denigration and humiliation and oppression by the Israelis. If not for that there would be no terrorists. There just wouldn't.

Ahh... and the early attacks on Israel, the attempts to wipe them out, the invasions ... this can go on forever. As long as you have someone to initiate attacks, you will have someone retaliating.

Besides, were we not talking about this instance? You suggested that Israel initiated this sequence totally disregarding the missile attacks. So...let's just be totally disingenuous eh?

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: Snarl
a reply to: buster2010
What you said

Set them on fire and let them burn to death

disgusts me.

Now I understand your mindset when it comes to the Israeli/Palestinian issue. You're as bad as 'they' are.

So what would you do with a child killer? Pat them on the hand then let them sit in a cell for a few years?

As much as I sympathize with your statement (specially if my child were set on fire), one has a choice. Whether to behave as un-civilized barbarians or to follow the law.

originally posted by: TerrorAlertRed
Forever!!!

I don't think you guys know what's happening

abcnews.go.com...




a reply to: lostbook

Yeah...Hamas has rejected the cease fire. Now we see clearly who the aggressors are.

You can also bet your a$$ that palestinians will not divulge where the missiles are being stored nor will they divulge anything that Hamas does, even at the expense of their homes and lives.

Palestines wont truce because that was not the purpose to begin with. And Egypt has little power over them. All Egypt can do now is apply the pressure on them.

a reply to: Rosinitiate

Ah, yes. I have quit smoking numerous times also.

So you are suggesting that these nations that have been bombed every 20 years or so did absolutely nothing to deserve the attacks? hmm.. interesting spin.

Unless, that is, you are talking pre-WWII Libya. IN that case, they did not "deserve" the attacks, but neither did the other countries the Nazis attacked. Funny how France has not responded in the same way that Arab countries have.