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Officers Say No 'Stand-Down Order' for Benghazi

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posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 02:40 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
Yo refresh my memory.

Who decided to bomb the hell out of Libya after 30 years of silence ?




originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Indigo5




The GOP simply chose to exploit the attack/murders for political purposes and did so by distorting the truth and lying to the American public


Was the GOP blaming a GD video ?.


SO...The topic is the GOPs lie about "Stand Down" order...

After a year plus of backing those false claims, you are looking to DERAIL onto who bombed Libya? Or the Video?

I'll read that eagerness to derail for what it is.




posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 02:45 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

Sorry I DO NOT buy the snip that is being shoveled here.

Not one WORD.



The Benghazi attack consisted of military assaults on two separate U.S. diplomatic compounds. The first assault occurred at the main compound, approximately 300 yards long and 100 yards wide, at about 9:40 pm local time (3:40 pm EDT, Washington DC). The second assault took place at a CIA annex 1.2 miles away at about 4 am the following morning.[63]





Between 125 and 150 gunmen, "some wearing the Afghan-style tunics favored by Islamic militants," are reported to have participated in the assault.[64][65][66] Some had their faces covered and wore flak jackets.[67] Weapons they used during the attack included rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs), hand grenades, AK-47 and FN F2000 NATO assault rifles, diesel canisters, mortars, and heavy machine guns and artillery mounted on gun trucks.[




About 9:40 pm local time large numbers of armed men shouting "Allāhu Akbar" descended on the compound from multiple directions




Diplomatic Security Service agents/Regional Security Officers informed their headquarters in Washington about the attack just as it was beginning at about 9:40 local time (3:40PM Eastern Time). By 4:30 Eastern, Pentagon officials informed Defense Secretary Leon Panetta about the attack. The Pentagon ordered an unmanned aerial vehicle that was in the air conducting surveillance on militant camps to fly over Benghazi. The drone arrived at 11:10 pm local time (5:10 pm Eastern Time) and began providing a video feed to Washington. At 5:41 pm Eastern Time, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton telephoned CIA Director David Petraeus to coordinate. The CIA, which made up most of the US government's presence in Benghazi, had a ten-member security team at its annex and the State Department believed that this team would assist the consulate in the event of an attack.[82]


en.wikipedia.org...

The attack went on for HOURS.

Any number of assets could have been moved in.

They weren't.

Stevens and Company were pretty much left for dead.



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 02:47 PM
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originally posted by: Indigo5


Military officers testified that there was no "stand-down order" that held back military assets that could have saved the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans killed at a diplomatic outpost and CIA annex in Benghazi, Libya. Their testimony undercut the contention of Republican lawmakers.

The "stand-down" theory centers on a Special Operations team — a detachment leader, a medic, a communications expert and a weapons operator with his foot in a cast — that was stopped from flying from Tripoli to Benghazi after the attacks of Sept. 11-12, 2012, had ended. Instead, it was instructed to help protect and care for those being evacuated from Benghazi and from the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli.

The senior military officer who issued the instruction to "remain in place" and the detachment leader who received it said it was the right decision and has been widely mischaracterized. The order was to remain in Tripoli and protect some three dozen embassy personnel rather than fly to Benghazi some 600 miles away after all Americans there would have been evacuated. And the medic is credited with saving the life of an evacuee from the attacks.


And not just the Brass...Here is the guy that the GOP was touting as receiving the "Stand Down" order...



The Special Operations detachment leader's name is omitted from the testimony transcript, but he previously has been identified as Lt. Col. S.E. Gibson. More than a year-and-a-half later, Gibson, who is now a colonel, agreed that staying in Tripoli was the best decision.

"It was not a stand-down order," he testified in March. "It was not, 'Hey, time for everybody to go to bed.' It was, you know, 'Don't go. Don't get on that plane. Remain in place.'"

"Initially, I was angry," Gibson said. "A tactical commander doesn't like to have those decisions taken away from him. But then once I digested it a little bit, then I realized, OK, maybe there was something else that was going on. Maybe I'm needed here for something else."


AP NEWS LINK:
abcnews.go.com...

I do find it strange how much airtime misinformation gets...for months...on ATS, and when the truth comes out, silence?

No one feel like they were BSed by the GOP's propaganda directorate?



"No 'Stand-Down Order' It was ""Don't go. Don't get on that plane. Remain in place.'"

so which is it again,,?? im confused,,or do u mean the exact wording was not "Stand-Down"???

of course it is military so guess im missing something in the translation.



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 02:51 PM
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Never Mind Off Topic
edit on 14-7-2014 by NonsensicalUserName because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 02:56 PM
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originally posted by: BobAthome

originally posted by: Indigo5


Military officers testified that there was no "stand-down order" that held back military assets that could have saved the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans killed at a diplomatic outpost and CIA annex in Benghazi, Libya. Their testimony undercut the contention of Republican lawmakers.

The "stand-down" theory centers on a Special Operations team — a detachment leader, a medic, a communications expert and a weapons operator with his foot in a cast — that was stopped from flying from Tripoli to Benghazi after the attacks of Sept. 11-12, 2012, had ended. Instead, it was instructed to help protect and care for those being evacuated from Benghazi and from the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli.

The senior military officer who issued the instruction to "remain in place" and the detachment leader who received it said it was the right decision and has been widely mischaracterized. The order was to remain in Tripoli and protect some three dozen embassy personnel rather than fly to Benghazi some 600 miles away after all Americans there would have been evacuated. And the medic is credited with saving the life of an evacuee from the attacks.


And not just the Brass...Here is the guy that the GOP was touting as receiving the "Stand Down" order...



The Special Operations detachment leader's name is omitted from the testimony transcript, but he previously has been identified as Lt. Col. S.E. Gibson. More than a year-and-a-half later, Gibson, who is now a colonel, agreed that staying in Tripoli was the best decision.

"It was not a stand-down order," he testified in March. "It was not, 'Hey, time for everybody to go to bed.' It was, you know, 'Don't go. Don't get on that plane. Remain in place.'"

"Initially, I was angry," Gibson said. "A tactical commander doesn't like to have those decisions taken away from him. But then once I digested it a little bit, then I realized, OK, maybe there was something else that was going on. Maybe I'm needed here for something else."


AP NEWS LINK:
abcnews.go.com...

I do find it strange how much airtime misinformation gets...for months...on ATS, and when the truth comes out, silence?

No one feel like they were BSed by the GOP's propaganda directorate?



"No 'Stand-Down Order' It was ""Don't go. Don't get on that plane. Remain in place.'"

so which is it again,,?? im confused,,or do u mean the exact wording was not "Stand-Down"???

of course it is military so guess im missing something in the translation.


SEE BELOW:


RIGHT OR WRONG, WASN'T THAT AN ORDER TO "STAND DOWN"?

Not according to Losey [who told Gibson to remain in Tripoli] and Gibson [Who was told to remain in Tripoli].

Civilians might say that Losey ordered Gibson to stand down from his race to the scene. But Losey and Gibson say in their military parlance, standing down means ceasing operations.

"It was not a stand-down order," Gibson said. "It was not, `Hey, time for everybody to go to bed.' It was, you know, `Don't go. Don't get on that plane. Remain in place.'"

"It was never an order to stand down," Losey said. "It was an order to remain in place and continue to provide your security role in Tripoli."

hosted.ap.org...

It was 4 guys in Tripoli, one with his foot in cast, with side-arms. Their role was to protect Tripoli Embassy personnel. One of them was also a medic, who treated evacuees when they arrived in Tripoli.

Stand down means it OVER...this was a tactical direction to remain in Tripoli during what could have potentially been coordinated attacks at both Libyan embassy's.

"hold that hill" is not a stand down order...it's not "operations over" in military parlance or any other semantics interpretation.

The GOP talking heads chose "Stand Down Order" knowing full well it's meaning, it fit their false narrative and it was a false claim.



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 03:00 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Indigo5


The attack went on for HOURS.

Any number of assets could have been moved in.

They weren't.

Stevens and Company were pretty much left for dead.


I know it's convenient to not read links and fill in the blanks to suit a story...but the facts are all there.



WHAT DID THE MILITARY DO TO HELP?

Following the first report of trouble about 9:40 p.m. local time on Sept. 11, officials began looking for military planes that could head to Benghazi for evacuations. None would be available for hours.

An unmanned drone already in Libya was quickly sent to survey the situation at the diplomatic post. Nighttime darkness limited its usefulness.

Two military members - both from Special Forces - were in the six-man team that flew from Tripoli to Benghazi around midnight and aided with the defense and evacuation of the CIA base.

An Air Force C-17 transport plane flew the Benghazi evacuees from Tripoli to Germany the night of Sept. 12, about 24 hours after the attacks began.

A U.S. anti-terror team sent from Spain arrived in Tripoli after the evacuees had gone.

Two military teams - one in Croatia and the other in the U.S. - prepared to go but, as the situation changed, weren't brought to Libya. They would have arrived too late.

Not until the morning of Sept. 12 was the 31st Fighter Wing in Aviano, Italy, ordered to get four F-16 jets and four pilots ready to respond if needed. The call to Benghazi never came.

hosted.ap.org...



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 03:05 PM
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Just a note..

A lot of posters have been talking about how you couldn't wait for the results of Daryll Issa's hearing on Behngazi...

I am just sharing the factual results and testimony.

Strange to see the vitriolic response by posters to facts evidence that they demanded?



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 03:06 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

ok following a 24 hour timeline from the White House live while its happening,, my first question:

"An Air Force C-17 transport plane flew the Benghazi evacuees from Tripoli to Germany the night of Sept. 12, about 24 hours after the attacks began."

24 hours after the attacks began."
24 hours later ,,really??

and why could jets not provide air cover for these "C-17 transport plane" too fast??



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 03:12 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

It seemed that the col. was told not to go and do something else instead. The intent of the group was to go, but they were not allowed to do that because of orders. Now, if that isn't a "stand down" (don't do that what was being planned), then please explain and try not to be to political in the explanation.



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 03:13 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5




I know it's convenient to not read links and fill in the blanks to suit a story...but the facts are all there.


Yeah someone is clearling IGNORING the facts here.

As Gregory HIcks said that in his CONGRESSIONAL testimony.

www.cbsnews.com...

But hell why let the FACTS get in the way pushing that demagogic bubble about fox and the gop.



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 03:16 PM
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Here is something else to IGNORE :




posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 03:17 PM
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Hard to believe they didn't have assets ready to roll in under 24 hours. I mean, it's not completely impossible, but it doesn't make sense that it wasn't until 24 hours later they were able to get an evac plane in there.

Well, that's the testimony. That's what we have. I mean, it seems like a lot of semantics. He wasn't told to cease operations but told not to go...seems more like there was a delay in response to the situation for some reason. Had he went anyhow, what would have happened? Would the stand down been ordered then?

Ok. Well, that part of the story with the stand down order has been debunked. Unless there's proof of perjury (good luck with that).

ETA: That Gregory Hicks footage is a game changer...
edit on 14/7/2014 by Echo3Foxtrot because: Just saw Hicks footage.



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 03:27 PM
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originally posted by: BobAthome
a reply to: Indigo5


and why could jets not provide air cover for these "C-17 transport plane" too fast??


They didn't need jets to provide cover for the C-17, The Libyan Terrorists don't have an air force.

The reference to the jets was calling in possible air strikes, but civilians being killed was a strong probability, if not certainty dropping bombs in downtown Benghazi amidst the confusion.



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 03:32 PM
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originally posted by: Aliensun
a reply to: theantediluvian

The intent of the group was to go, but they were not allowed to do that because of orders. Now, if that isn't a "stand down" (don't do that what was being planned), then please explain and try not to be to political in the explanation.



I will try not be political in defeinitions...But Stand Down is a military term for "Don't do anything" "Operation over"...

Col. Gibson was told to remain where he was, protecting the TRIPOLI EMBASSY PERSONELL...which seems a smart idea when the other embassy in Libya is under attack. Aside from that simple math meant he would not have arrived in time, plus the medic with him wouldn't have been available for evacuees flown to Tripoli...he only had 4 guys with side-arms and one with their foot in a cast...AND their was already a 6 man Spec Ops team on the way to Behngazi.

So securing and protecting the embassy staff in Tripoli Libya and preparing for evacuees during an attack on the Behngazi Libya embassy...is not "Stand Down"...it is "Hold that hill".



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 03:33 PM
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originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: BobAthome
a reply to: Indigo5


and why could jets not provide air cover for these "C-17 transport plane" too fast??


They didn't need jets to provide cover for the C-17, The Libyan Terrorists don't have an air force.

The reference to the jets was calling in possible air strikes, but civilians being killed was a strong probability, if not certainty dropping bombs in downtown Benghazi amidst the confusion.


dropping bombs in downtown Benghazi

wow 24 hours for a medi vac emergency,, and danger of "dropping bombs in downtown Benghazi"

is this some slapstick joker type army/airforce/marines/wh/cia,, comedy??

really.



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 03:36 PM
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The senior military officer who issued the instruction to "remain in place" and the detachment leader who received it said it was the right decision and has been widely mischaracterized.



So this Colonel Gibson must have got "orders" from somebody higher up who got orders from somebody higher up who got "The WORD" from somebody else ?

If Hillary is going to run for President (again), then it is in Her best interests to have the backroom campaign committee make sure She is "covered" in roses.

And not that we've been hearing a lot of lies from "Government Witnesses" either recently.





posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 03:39 PM
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because of course; it must be that simple.

there can't be things like not having a clear picture about what's going on on the ground or in Libya in general, there aren't flightplans that have to be created, pilots that have to be readied, planes that have to go through checklists/other proceedures, and flight-time must be trivial.



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 03:39 PM
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doublepost..sorry
edit on 14-7-2014 by NonsensicalUserName because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 03:45 PM
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originally posted by: NonsensicalUserName
a reply to: BobAthome
because of course; it must be that simple.

there can't be things like not having a clear picture about what's going on on the ground or in Libya in general, there aren't flightplans that have to be created, pilots that have to be readied, planes that have to go through checklists/other proceedures, and flight-time must be trivial.


Clear picture ?



The Pentagon ordered an unmanned aerial vehicle that was in the air conducting surveillance on militant camps to fly over Benghazi. The drone arrived at 11:10 pm local time (5:10 pm Eastern Time) and began providing a video feed to Washington. At 5:41 pm Eastern Time, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton telephoned CIA Director David Petraeus to coordinate. The CIA, which made up most of the US government's presence in Benghazi, had a ten-member security team at its annex and the State Department believed that this team would assist the consulate in the event of an attack.[82


That is what the drone was for. So Washington could watch it live.

Doesn't take that long to preflight a global hawk, or other drones.

Hell since most can even be armed these days.



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 03:59 PM
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a reply to: neo96

way to miss my point, I was referring to the evacuation of people from tripoli.. the post I was replying too was specifically about the 24 hours it took for a C-17 to land in tripoli and retrieve casualties from the benghazi attack.

drones are a different issue; and have their own problems to contend with.



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