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posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 01:02 PM
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Military officers testified that there was no "stand-down order" that held back military assets that could have saved the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans killed at a diplomatic outpost and CIA annex in Benghazi, Libya. Their testimony undercut the contention of Republican lawmakers.

The "stand-down" theory centers on a Special Operations team — a detachment leader, a medic, a communications expert and a weapons operator with his foot in a cast — that was stopped from flying from Tripoli to Benghazi after the attacks of Sept. 11-12, 2012, had ended. Instead, it was instructed to help protect and care for those being evacuated from Benghazi and from the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli.

The senior military officer who issued the instruction to "remain in place" and the detachment leader who received it said it was the right decision and has been widely mischaracterized. The order was to remain in Tripoli and protect some three dozen embassy personnel rather than fly to Benghazi some 600 miles away after all Americans there would have been evacuated. And the medic is credited with saving the life of an evacuee from the attacks.


And not just the Brass...Here is the guy that the GOP was touting as receiving the "Stand Down" order...



The Special Operations detachment leader's name is omitted from the testimony transcript, but he previously has been identified as Lt. Col. S.E. Gibson. More than a year-and-a-half later, Gibson, who is now a colonel, agreed that staying in Tripoli was the best decision.

"It was not a stand-down order," he testified in March. "It was not, 'Hey, time for everybody to go to bed.' It was, you know, 'Don't go. Don't get on that plane. Remain in place.'"

"Initially, I was angry," Gibson said. "A tactical commander doesn't like to have those decisions taken away from him. But then once I digested it a little bit, then I realized, OK, maybe there was something else that was going on. Maybe I'm needed here for something else."


AP NEWS LINK:
abcnews.go.com...

I do find it strange how much airtime misinformation gets...for months...on ATS, and when the truth comes out, silence?

No one feel like they were BSed by the GOP's propaganda directorate?




posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 01:07 PM
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No one feel like they were BSed by the GOP's propaganda directorate?



This is just the standard democrat/republican BS that both sides are complicit in simply to distract everyone. It helps if you don't take sides, because at least then you can look at things objectively, with less of a chance to be manipulated.
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posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 01:07 PM
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Got it. The whole 'Benghazi thing' was the GOP's fault.



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 01:18 PM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT
Got it. The whole 'Benghazi thing' was the GOP's fault.


No the Benghazi attack was the fault of a group of militant Muslim radicals (or "terrorists" if that makes you happy). It's been known from the previous committee reports that there was no stand down order. That was a lie promulgated to sensationalize the attack.



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 01:20 PM
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So why didn't anyone go help the US Embassy and US Ambassador and US Citizens that were under attack? That's what we want to know. There are countless military reports of assets that could have been there quickly. What's the difference between refusing to give the order to help and giving a stand down order not to help? The end result is the same.



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 01:23 PM
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The whole time I was reading that piece thinking propaganda, propaganda, propaganda. I mean really, what does this have to do with anything.


The "stand-down" theory centers on a Special Operations team — a detachment leader, a medic, a communications expert and a weapons operator with his foot in a cast


If he was in a cast then why was he on duty in the first place? It's those kind of comments that makes me think coverup.

Doesn't surprise me that Gibson's now a Colonel, that's what you get for playing ball!



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 01:23 PM
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So there is no benghazi scandal? Still 10 or so more that Obama has to get rid of lol



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 01:27 PM
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originally posted by: jjkenobi
So why didn't anyone go help the US Embassy and US Ambassador and US Citizens that were under attack? That's what we want to know. There are countless military reports of assets that could have been there quickly. What's the difference between refusing to give the order to help and giving a stand down order not to help? The end result is the same.


The attack didn't happen at the Embassy it happened at the consulate.



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 01:33 PM
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originally posted by: jjkenobi
So why didn't anyone go help the US Embassy and US Ambassador and US Citizens that were under attack? That's what we want to know. There are countless military reports of assets that could have been there quickly. What's the difference between refusing to give the order to help and giving a stand down order not to help? The end result is the same.


Here's a twist — Benghazi was really the GOP's fault! Blame Boehner and friends.

H.Res.292 - 112th Congress


Passed House without amendment (06/03/2011)



States the policy of the House of Representatives that: (1) the U.S. Armed Forces shall be used exclusively to defend and advance the national security interests of the United States; (2) the President has failed to provide Congress with a compelling rationale based upon national security interests for current U.S. military activities regarding Libya; and (3) the President shall not deploy, establish, or maintain the presence of units and members of the Armed Forces on the ground in Libya unless the purpose of the presence is to rescue a member of the Armed Forces from imminent danger.



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 01:43 PM
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Yo refresh my memory.

Who decided to bomb the hell out of Libya after 30 years of silence ?

Hint it's the same people who cried about Iraq and Afghanistan was 'bad'.



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 01:48 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
Yo refresh my memory.

Who decided to bomb the hell out of Libya after 30 years of silence ?

Hint it's the same people who cried about Iraq and Afghanistan was 'bad'.


The Republicans? Up until two weeks before Obama attacked they were pushing for an attack on Libya. They are just upset because we didn't go in with boots on the ground and get bogged down with another never ending war.



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 01:52 PM
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a reply to: buster2010


You know damn well it wasn't the republicans.

The current potus bombed the hell out of Libya, and instead of owning up to that epic stupidity.

That Libyans wouldn't take to kindly to that they would seek retribution in Benghazi.

Who the hell can forget this:



Last time I checked Clinton wasn't a Republican, and neither the current potus.



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 02:13 PM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT
Got it. The whole 'Benghazi thing' was the GOP's fault.


No, it was the fault of Ansar al-Shariah, an Islamic Extremist Libyan terrorist militia.

The GOP simply chose to exploit the attack/murders for political purposes and did so by distorting the truth and lying to the American public.



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 02:19 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5




The GOP simply chose to exploit the attack/murders for political purposes and did so by distorting the truth and lying to the American public


Was the GOP blaming a GD video ?

You know that was done for political purposes, and DISTORTED the TRUTH and LYING to the American public.

But I disgress I guess that makes no never mind to GOP haters.



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 02:23 PM
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originally posted by: Indigo5






The Special Operations detachment leader's name is omitted from the testimony transcript, but he previously has been identified as Lt. Col. S.E. Gibson. More than a year-and-a-half later, Gibson, who is now a colonel, agreed that staying in Tripoli was the best decision.

"It was not a stand-down order," he testified in March. "It was not, 'Hey, time for everybody to go to bed.' It was, you know, 'Don't go. Don't get on that plane. Remain in place.'"

"Initially, I was angry," Gibson said. "A tactical commander doesn't like to have those decisions taken away from him. But then once I digested it a little bit, then I realized, OK, maybe there was something else that was going on. Maybe I'm needed here for something else."


AP NEWS LINK:
abcnews.go.com...

I do find it strange how much airtime misinformation gets...for months...on ATS, and when the truth comes out, silence?

No one feel like they were BSed by the GOP's propaganda directorate?



Isn't that a semantics game? "We weren't told to stand down, we just were told not to go there." He states that "initially I was angry" so that indicates that he felt he was being ordered to stand down at the time as well. The "digestion" he did before he stopping being angry had nothing to do with a promotion did it?



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 02:24 PM
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originally posted by: jjkenobi
So why didn't anyone go help the US Embassy and US Ambassador and US Citizens that were under attack? That's what we want to know.


This isn't mysterious...you just need to look beyond Fox News..

AP This weekend from Darryl Issa's own "Hearing" exhaustively interviewing the Officers:
What the military did while Benghazi post burned


Together their 30 hours of testimony to congressional investigators gives the fullest account yet of the military's response to the surprise attacks that killed the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans the night of Sept. 11, 2012, and early the next morning.

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One Libyan plane carrying a six-man U.S. security team already had taken off. Gibson wanted his group on the second chartered flight. He called the special operations command center for Africa to say they were heading to the airport.

He was told, "Don't go. Don't get on that plane."

"Initially, I was angry," he recalled. "Because a tactical commander doesn't like to have those decisions taken away from him. But then once I digested it a little bit, then I realized, OK, maybe there was something going on. Maybe I'm needed here for something else."

Rear Adm. Brian Losey, who gave the order, said he needed Gibson's team in Tripoli in case trouble started there.

Although some Republican lawmakers have suggested the team might have helped repel attackers in Benghazi, their flight would have arrived after the final assault that killed two CIA contractors.

Losey dismissed the notion that the foursome could have been much help in Benghazi, where Americans already were moving to the airfield for evacuation with the aid of Libyan forces and the U.S. security team from the first plane. Losey noted that Gibson's group consisted of a communications specialist, a medic and a weapons operator with his foot in a cast.

"That's not a security team," Losey said. Sending them in "didn't make a lot of sense."


Gibson said if his group had flown to Benghazi, their flight would have crossed paths with the first plane as it returned bearing wounded Americans. Because they stayed, his medic was there to meet two seriously injured people at the Tripoli airport. The medic is credited with saving one's life.


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DID CLINTON GIVE A "STAND DOWN" ORDER, AS SOME REPUBLICANS HAVE THEORIZED?

"No," said Losey.

"I never received any orders from the secretary of state or heard of any orders from the secretary of state," said Leidig, also based in Stuttgart, Germany.

"No," said Ham, who commanded the Africa operations. "And we would not receive direct communications from the secretary of state."

Ham said no one else ordered him to stand down, either, and no one tried to stop him from helping the Americans in Benghazi any way he could.


You want answers? They are all in testimony...They might not fit your agenda though?
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posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 02:25 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

You're being too technical and specific, they see you as defending the obama administration, when you're merely pointing out conclusions based on evidence.



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 02:35 PM
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I was waiting for this.

Just to see how the "Benghazi Stompers" would twist it to justify their belief.

I say "belief" vs facts.



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 02:35 PM
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originally posted by: [post=18145430]NavyDoc


Isn't that a semantics game? "We weren't told to stand down, we just were told not to go there." He states that "initially I was angry" so that indicates that he felt he was being ordered to stand down at the time as well. The "digestion" he did before he stopping being angry had nothing to do with a promotion did it?



Stand Down, means to cease the operation or response. Like Officer Gibson said "Go to bed". This was a tactical call to keep his team there to protect the Tripoli embassy personnel they were assigned to in case there was an attack there. Also, another 6 man (actual Spec Ops team was already on route). Telling them to stay in Tripoli was the right call...They would not have arrived until hours after the fight, the Tripoli Medic wouldn't have been available to treat survivors, and a few guys with side-arms and one with his foot in a cast wouldn't have helped...more so since they would have arrived after it was over...and abandoned the personnel in Tripoli? When all hell was breaking loose in Libya?

You gotta know what a "Stand Down" order means? If you are on a battlefield and told to hold a ridge and not join a different fight? Is that a stand down order?

I don't think you want to claim that semantics don't matter. The GOP chose that phrase for a gazillion headlines and there was no "Stand Down Order"...and the order that was given was the right one.
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posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 02:39 PM
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The original "stand down" orders came from the Hillary State Department.

The choke & gag routine by the Administration was 100% aimed at the then upcoming 2012 election damage control.

Their standard jealous arrogance got the best of them however.



In his opinion piece, Johnson singled out the State Department leadership in Washington in saying that "the greatest outrages occurred before the attack."

"The State Department not only failed to honor repeated requests for additional security, but instead actually reduced security in Libya. Although no one can say with certainty, I firmly believe a relatively small contingent of armed military guards would have prevented the attack, and those four lives would not have been lost."



Even ultra-Left Wing Politifact says TRUE
Hillary Clinton's State Department cut security in Libya before deadly terror attacks, Sen. Ron Johnson says



State Department admits to the boondoggle....


The State Department has acknowledged it rejected requests to provide more security personnel in Libya. It also acknowledged rejecting a request to erect guard towers at the Benghazi mission, but notes that a number of physical security upgrades, such as the installation of concrete barriers to block unused gates, were made during 2012.

The State Department’s own Accountability Review Board concluded that the number of diplomatic security staff in Benghazi in the months leading up to the attacks was inadequate "despite repeated requests" from the Benghazi mission and the embassy in Tripoli for additional staffing.

(supporting links in the Politifact article)








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