Christianity & Hobby Lobby

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic
I know. And why don't I have the same freedom? I do not want to be forced to "purchase" the death of soldiers and innocent people worldwide. Why must I pay for that? Why do Christians get an exemption from the law when I cannot?

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Oh, SNAP!

Exactly, BH. I don't want to support the American globocop terrorist-farming either. OR corrupt bankers and the profit margins and off-shore hoards of the super-rich.

The courts will just say the current tax system is the least restrictive means of furthering that interest.

a reply to: windword

ROFLOL !!

Good find !!!

That's sure to show up on SNL.

a reply to: xuenchen

The courts will just say the current tax system is the least restrictive means of furthering that interest.

Furthering what interest?
War?

We used to have "conscientious objectors" - which I suppose this HL thing is...
so how about if I "conscientiously object" to the M/I complex and world-policing?

Oh yeah - then I'm a traitorous dissident.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: spirited75
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

the religious freedom is in the fact that the HL does not want
to be forced to purchase products that abort a fertilized egg.

I know. And why don't I have the same freedom? I do not want to be forced to "purchase" the death of soldiers and innocent people worldwide. Why must I pay for that? Why do Christians get an exemption from the law when I cannot?

If it is a deeply held belief (you not wanting to support the death of soldiers....) and not some smoke being blown up others keester, then you will file a lawsuit like Hobby Lobby did, you will pursue the lawsuit all the way to the supreme court and you will see to it that the supreme court renders a judgement. anything less -----you are just blowing smoke.

i am pretty certain what the etiology of your comment is, if you do not file the lawsuit, then it will prove to you the etiology will it not?

a reply to: spirited75

And how is she to pay for this??
Are you talking about a class-action suit?

(@ BH: I'm in. But I don't have any money for attorneys.)

I wonder if any pro-bono guys looking to catapult their careers would take it on??

originally posted by: spirited75
a reply to: calstorm

ever heard of the us post office or ups?

I am sorry, I don't understand this statement. You can't order birth control pills.

And to the person who said pick up several years worth. Not only would that be an impossibility cost wise, I have never met a dr. willing to prescribe more than 3 months worth of anything.

originally posted by: xuenchen
The courts will just say the current tax system is the least restrictive means of furthering that interest.

Quite probably. And the least restrictive means of furthering the interest in healthcare for the country would be that the owners of Hobby Lobby cover contraception for their employees. After all, no one is asking them to GET an abortion, themselves, especially considering they (Hobby Lobby) support the companies that make the contraception they disapprove of.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
We used to have "conscientious objectors" - which I suppose this HL thing is...

The difference between Hobby Lobby and a conscientious objector is that the conscientious objector is an individual and he's exempt from participating in that which he disapproves of. He still has to pay taxes that support the wars. He is not exempt from paying his taxes.

Hobby Lobby (a corporation, not an individual) disapproves of abortion and no one is trying to make them have an abortion.

I don't have the money to take anything to the Supreme Court, either. Proving that MONEY is what's ruling here. Not religion, not belief, not even politics, but MONEY.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

I don't have the money to take anything to the Supreme Court, either. Proving that MONEY is what's ruling here. Not religion, not belief, not even politics, but MONEY.

YEP!
Yeppers.

When the SC said that money=free speech, my morale went down the toilet (along with my lunch).
Sickening.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

I don't have the money to take anything to the Supreme Court, either. Proving that MONEY is what's ruling here. Not religion, not belief, not even politics, but MONEY.

YEP!
Yeppers.

When the SC said that money=free speech, my morale went down the toilet (along with my lunch).
Sickening.

I have trouble even talking about this, it pisses me off so much.

5 old fart male Catholics. Yeah, no bias or personal agenda with these judges

a reply to: amazing

And the Boss at Hobby Lobby wants to put the study of the bible in public schools. He is a dangerous man.

MmmHMM!!
He sure does.

Did you see the article about working there for 3 months that someone posted online? (I posted it somewhere on here.)

Bible in the break-room. Prayers before shifts. Won't use UPC codes (Mark of the Beast?).
Bizarro World.

My sister-in-law went to work for a greeting card company as a PT office assistant. She lasted 3 days - said when they were doing "prayers" in the morning meetings, and asking the Lord to protect their parking spaces from the evil demon-possessed parking usurpers, she had to leave.

Jeeminy Christmas. No....thanks, but, erm, NO.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I was surfing the other day and stopped at a religious channel that was discussing this "victory" decision... The community seemed to think of this as a victory for religious rights and one that is going to turn the tides of this nation and return it to the Christian Nation it was meant to be. But, they said, "Our enemies are not going to give up! They are going to try harder than ever to bring us down and so we have to fight with everything we have to keep this glorious momentum going!"

Ugh! Aren't the religious people the ones complaining that gays wanting to marry was a form of "special rights"??? And now, when Christians get "special rights" that make them immune to the law that the rest of us have to follow, they're suddenly all happy about "special rights".

I have not been religious for many, many years, but I have supported them regardless. But this single decision has really turned me against religion. I'm done being supportive of them in any way.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

I read various blogs, forums, etc --- to get perspective.

Fundamental religion is oppressive of women in its doctrine. Women who have never escaped this mind control belief tend to agree with it.

It's just sad. They really believe they are meant to be oppressed because God said so.

It's hard, near impossible, to get women to stand up for women's rights when they're so brainwashed.

I really admire the women in the Middle East (and the men who support them) -- making their voices heard against gender oppression. They are very brave women.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

I was surfing the other day and stopped at a religious channel that was discussing this "victory" decision... The community seemed to think of this as a victory for religious rights and one that is going to turn the tides of this nation and return it to the Christian Nation it was meant to be.

Yes. It's scary (to me).This was not set up as a "Christian Nation"!!


Have you ever looked at rightwingwatch?

A daily digest of their activities.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: amazing

And the Boss at Hobby Lobby wants to put the study of the bible in public schools. He is a dangerous man.

MmmHMM!!
He sure does.

Did you see the article about working there for 3 months that someone posted online? (I posted it somewhere on here.)

Bible in the break-room. Prayers before shifts. Won't use UPC codes (Mark of the Beast?).
Bizarro World.

My sister-in-law went to work for a greeting card company as a PT office assistant. She lasted 3 days - said when they were doing "prayers" in the morning meetings, and asking the Lord to protect their parking spaces from the evil demon-possessed parking usurpers, she had to leave.

Jeeminy Christmas. No....thanks, but, erm, NO.

Ha! Yeah, it's all a bit crazy. You may believe what you want, but they're going beyond that, in my opinion.

I'm really more concerned about the public school thing. He has momentum after the Supreme Court case and well...momentum can be a funny thing.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: tsingtao

originally posted by: calstorm
a reply to: Annee

I used to live in in far Northern California, if you have ever driven to Eureka, you know there is about a 3 hour drive of total desolation. So, being that far from one in rural Northern California isn't all that uncommon. Especially, if you live in any other counties north of Sacramento.

I currently live in the middle of nowhere Montana. Take a look at Montana on Google earth, you will see that their are plenty of small towns with nothing else for hundreds of miles.

how often do you think you will need the pills?

maybe you should pick up a couple years worth, next time your're in a big city?

My concern is for the current generation of young women.

You a guy? Yeah! Your only thought is sex.

they should be taught where to get them.

maybe start a collective and share them.

someones dad has too have given one of them a credit card, right?

i wouldn't say sell them coz that would be capitalism, they have to give them away to whomever wants them.

originally posted by: tsingtao

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: tsingtao

originally posted by: calstorm
a reply to: Annee

I used to live in in far Northern California, if you have ever driven to Eureka, you know there is about a 3 hour drive of total desolation. So, being that far from one in rural Northern California isn't all that uncommon. Especially, if you live in any other counties north of Sacramento.

I currently live in the middle of nowhere Montana. Take a look at Montana on Google earth, you will see that their are plenty of small towns with nothing else for hundreds of miles.

how often do you think you will need the pills?

maybe you should pick up a couple years worth, next time your're in a big city?

My concern is for the current generation of young women.

You a guy? Yeah! Your only thought is sex.

they should be taught where to get them.

maybe start a collective and share them.

someones dad has too have given one of them a credit card, right?

i wouldn't say sell them coz that would be capitalism, they have to give them away to whomever wants them.

NO!

Women's health needs should be available through their insurance -- same as men's health needs should be available through insurance -- if the corporation provides insurance.

How the employee uses that insurance is none of their damn business.

I don't see anyone denying Viagra to men under the suspicion they need it to "keep it up" for their affairs outside of marriage. Oh no! It's a health issue.

Hobby Lobby buys from China. A country that has forced abortions.

It's a BS Crock against women.

originally posted by: calstorm

originally posted by: spirited75
a reply to: calstorm

ever heard of the us post office or ups?

I am sorry, I don't understand this statement. You can't order birth control pills.

And to the person who said pick up several years worth. Not only would that be an impossibility cost wise, I have never met a dr. willing to prescribe more than 3 months worth of anything.

so where the hell is your doctor?

does the sun set tween your house and town?

next time a national geographic team comes by, ask them.

and i asked how many abortion pills you will use in a year. over the counter stuff, btw.

if you are talking about medical need for BC as opposed to just BC, i think it wouldn't be that much of a hardship.

I live on the Mexican border.

Do you know the #1 drug bought from the pharmacies across the border?

Viagra.

For men's "Health issues".

originally posted by: Annee
I live on the Mexican border.

Do you know the #1 drug bought from the pharmacies across the border?

Viagra.

For men's "Health issues".

don't mexico care about women's health issues?

and why do men have to go to another country to buy viagra?