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posted on Oct, 19 2018 @ 08:24 PM
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I have a question, and a little physics brain-teaser. First the question:

Q: How much cash would a physicist-astronomer need to be paid to keep their mouth shut and sign a non-disclosure agreement saying they won't talk about the truth of what happened at their observatory?

I suppose the answer might depend on how the request to sign the NDA is phrased. If the astronomer asks "do I have an option to not sign this agreement?" and the answer is "well Dr. Astronomer, this is a very remote area and if you were to get into some kind of accident in such a remote area it could take a very long time for your body to be found", then I suppose if the astronomer deemed the threat genuine he might take the cash regardless of the amount, but we don't have those details, only this:

More On The Sunspot Observatory Closure, Part One"

But Ms. Duclos' article also mentions yet a new twist: the inhabitants of the observatory's village allegedly were given "cash payments" and made to sign non-disclosure agreements:

In ANP's previous article about the Sunspot Solar Observatory's evacuation, we showed footage from a drone, taken by Youtuber Paul M., which gave a good view of how massive and sprawling the Sunspot location is, and he has been on-site multiple times since then. (His video channel is here for those that want to see the drone footage)

In his latest video's description he said he spoke to Linda Moulton Howe of Earthfiles, and described for her what the Sunspot Observatory looked like after the "re-opening" on the 17th.

“The windows of houses in Sunspot around the Solar Observatory are still boarded up with sheets of wood, no one is around, like a ghost town. And I talked with one person today at the observatory who told me they had signed a non-disclosure form (NDA) and that they were compensated with enough money to where they would not want to talk about what has happened.” – Paul M., Drone Pilot from Alamagordo, NM, visited NSO, Monday, September 17, 2018, after “re-opening”


Here's the brain-teaser, which I thought was interesting because it's such an amazing picture that some people don't even believe it's real, lots of people think it's fake but it's not fake. Other people read that 9 meters of excess track was cut out of this area after the earthquake and thought that proves physics wrong when it claims that matter is neither created nor destroyed, but can only be converted to other forms like energy etc. The 9 extra meters of track that was cut out is amazing but it didn't violate any laws of physics.

This happened after an earthquake and if you put your geologist hat on you might be able to figure out sort of what happened to the track by looking at the sections of the road in this video between 3 and 4 minutes. See the buckling in the road in the video? That's a huge clue what happened to the track, see if you an figure it out.



The Canterbury Earthquake: Images of the distorted railway line


It's interesting how physics can throw us a few curve balls sometimes. I suspect it wouldn't be easy to predict exactly what happened here before the fact, because of not knowing all the variables. Perhaps if all the variables were known it would be predictable. What is very interesting about these photos is how the land around the track shows very little signs of any disruption or distortion from the earthquake. For example, look at the maintenance "road" next to the track, where the tracks appear completely straight, unlike the railway tracks.




posted on Oct, 20 2018 @ 05:03 AM
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a reply to: Arbitrageur




Q: How much cash would a physicist-astronomer need to be paid to keep their mouth shut and sign a non-disclosure agreement saying they won't talk about the truth of what happened at their observatory?


Firstly. It seems you have a bee in your bonnet with this story.

I have no idea what has been happening with this situation. And. If you have hinted anything. Other than somethings not right here. I haven't got it yet.

And. Maybe there is more to this.

A physicist-astronomer. And, a decent person. They should say they will not sign anything and will not be bribed.

Maybe the information they know could affect the world as we know it. And should be told.

On the other hand. If their lives were threatened. As in your scenario. Then. They must reconsider.

For them. Maybe it would have to be an amount = to x years loss of earnings, change of job, change of location etc. All things would have to be taken into account.

But. Would they decide the amount? Or. Would it be a one off payment? Would they be happy with this amount?

Also. The more people being bribed. The greater the chance that someone will tell what happened. At some stage. Maybe on their deathbed.

It's a tricky question. If your life is threatened.

Now your brainteaser.

If the tracks weren't secured to the ground. Would it have resulted in a hill of the tracks?

I mean. they take that form because they can't move upwards freely.

They distort because they have have very little give. Unlike the areas nearby. (Maintenance road/land).

The land in that local area would be a little more compressed. But the tracks couldn't absorb the compression.

Thanks Arbitrageur.

That was just what i needed on a Saturday morning.



posted on Oct, 20 2018 @ 06:38 AM
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But Ms. Duclos' article also mentions yet a new twist: the inhabitants of the observatory's village allegedly were given "cash payments" and made to sign non-disclosure agreements:


"Firstly. It seems you have a bee in your bonnet with this story."

Sometimes there are parallel threads running on ATS that subtly inspire.
The Manned Moon mission discussion triggered some childhood memories for me.
At age five I was quarantined and told my parents would be killed if I revealed the information I had discovered in some classified research I wasn't supposed to have read. At that age secrecy is not intuitive, no reason to believe you can't build a civilization in Low Earth orbit, write to an optical disc using a FIFO buffer, or know the president would lie about putting a man on the moon.

Later I was told that a large entertainment agency showed up in the desert with a big roll of cash and wanted to create something based on the breakaway civilization engineering patents. The engineer who worked for the patent holder said the motor of the SR71 had fallen out anyways, so they took the the cash. There must be layers to this stuff, makes you wonder who owns the intellectual rights to Homer's Iliad?



posted on Oct, 20 2018 @ 07:16 AM
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a reply to: Cauliflower

Thanks Cauliflower.



"Firstly. It seems you have a bee in your bonnet with this story."


Sorry. You've misunderstood my comment.

Arbitrageur had made comment to this story in another reply to someone. I thought it was odd at the time because the whole context seemed to be to question the official story. Of which he used this story as an eg. And now. He asks a question about it. It was an innocent comment. I thought.

I hadn't actually followed this story. But. I'm caught up now.

It's an odd one.

Officially it was the janitor and child porn.

FBI, helicopters,aeroplane, evacuation, paid off and signed away rights. And the rumours that now surround it.

I was also thinking things were a little odd when i was commenting in other threads about space telescopes malfunctions recently.

It's a bit X-Files ish.



posted on Oct, 20 2018 @ 11:44 AM
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From my childhood recollection the solar observation facility was being used as a"front".
Anyone familiar with some of the early gravity propulsion UFO stories from the 1950's could probably make the connections.

I'm sure Arbitrageur is familiar with some of the physics, I can't seem to remember much about the HHFS unit of study except it happened about the same time as the chess match in New York 1963.

I remember seeing some group photo's of naked children but they were probably part of a control psyop rather than pornographic, They would be the age of Nancy Reagan now.



posted on Oct, 20 2018 @ 12:43 PM
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a reply to: Cauliflower

It does seem like a strange event.

I'm not familiar with your replies above.

Normally. I would have ignored the story. And been happy that another sicko had been caught.

The actions seem to outweigh the crime though.

Communications seem to be important to the story. Closing a Post Office too.

Although. Catching the janitor may only be a small part to a bigger picture.

It could be diversionary. To draw peoples attention away from something else.

Then there are other rumours.

Aliens in the sun, an entity contact etc.

I'm in the UK. So this isn't in my back yard.

And. It seems like a rabbit hole.

Lol. Maybe i have a little bee in my bonnet now.

Something seems odd about it.




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