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If sunlight kills vampires than how come they can walk around in the moonlight? ....think about it.

a reply to: BASSPLYR
If you drink water in reasonable amounts it's good for you, but if you drink too much it can kill you, and that kind of "dose determines toxicity" applies to many substances. I doubt the vampire story writers give their plot devices that much thought but if you have to invent a reason, the "dose determines toxicity" idea is as good as any I can think of.

The Star Trek writers tend to give their plot devices a little more thought, like their transporter technology might be impossible because of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, so they use a "Heisenberg Compensator" to solve the problem. When you ask how that works, the answer isn't very satisfying, but it's probably the best they can do:

Transporter (Star Trek)

Heisenberg compensators remove uncertainty from the subatomic measurements, making transporter travel feasible... When asked "How does the Heisenberg compensator work?" by Time magazine, Star Trek technical adviser Michael Okuda responded: "It works very well, thank you."

originally posted by: Arbitrageur
That's a leading question if I ever saw one.

I would characterize it as commenting on the elephant in the room.

Too bad no one picked up on it.

originally posted by: LiberateEarth

originally posted by: Arbitrageur
That's a leading question if I ever saw one.

I would characterize it as commenting on the elephant in the room.

Too bad no one picked up on it.

Academia isn't like school. You don't get "taught" out of textbooks. You read the published research of others, design and/or conduct your own experiments, and generally interact with the wider research community.

There is no "university" physics and "real-world" physics. There is just "physics".

a reply to: GetHyped

The truth is, there is suppressed physics, which is not discussed on threads such as this because ridicule works very effectively to shut people up.

That is the elephant in the room.

a reply to: LiberateEarth

I don't see how anybody could hide the construction of a facility like CERN's LHC which is the kind of tool used these days to research fundamental physics. Its construction of a 27 km long tunnel leaves a huge footprint and it's a collaboration of over 10,000 scientists and engineers. It's a complete fantasy to think there's some secret version of that researching different fundamental physics somewhere else.

Now if you want to talk about applied physics also known as engineering, we could discuss inventions which are useful for weapons technology and with defense applications, but this would include technologies such as how to get a weapon to hit its target more accurately, or how to evade detection by enemy radar, etc. There's unlikely to be any new physics in these secret applications, just the physics that's known applied in unique ways to provide a defense advantage.

143 New Patents That Won't See the Light of Day

Steven Aftergood, director of the Project on Government Secrecy at the Federation of American Scientists in Washington, D.C., tracks the number of U.S. patents classified as secret by the government each year and sequestered from public view. In fiscal year 2011, he reports in his blog, the number of patents put under wraps was 143, or 66% more than last year.

Most of these inventions, Aftergood believes, are likely improvements in technologies used in weapons systems; requests for classification come mainly from the U.S. military services and appear to be granted readily. Many such patents arise from work done by military contractors.

When you see 50-year old secrets de-classified because they are no longer useful (being 50 years behind what we have now), you can see there was no then-new physics in them. They were defense technologies, and that's probably mostly what's in the modern secret patents also, as Steven Aftergood suspects.

Also the idea that UFOs somehow defy known physics is a completely unsubstantiated claim. No real video of that has ever surfaced, though we see plenty of other videos of things we didn't expect to see like cops beating up people laying on the ground who aren't fighting back which reinforces the idea that smartphone cameras are now everywhere capturing lots of things we're not supposed to see and didn't see before, but still no videos of UFOs defying the laws of physics. There are plenty of hoaxed UFO videos because it's now profitable to post fake UFO videos on youtube, but don't be fooled by those. There's a list of channels known to post fakes for profit and it's getting longer.

originally posted by: DanielKoenig


Reality.

You can't just make up your own field and throw it into a discussion? If you're talking about a field it's one of the two.
Otherwise your point is just a straw man. If you want to have a physics discussion I think you should use physics.

There is no proof or reason to believe or suspect or put faith in or guess that the so called 'action at a distance entanglement' is as is claimed.

Particle pair A and B are created and one is sent down channel 1 and the other is sent down channel 2.

Before they are measured scientists do not know if A is in channel 1 or in channel 2. Do not know if B is in channel 1 or channel 2.

When they look in channel 1 and measure the particle they discover that it is particle B.

They then look in channel 2 and discover that it is particle A.

Because science is interested in predicting events, they make equations to attempt to predict events.

Because scientists (((((Before they are measured scientists do not know if A is in channel 1 or in channel 2. Do not know if B is in channel 1 or channel 2.))))) they cannot put in their equation: When particle pair is created we know which is which, they have to include in their equation: We Do Not Know Which Is Which:

This is written as something like:

When particle pair is created, down channel 1 goes particle A/B and down channel 2 goes particle A/B.

Somewhere along the line people mistake this encoded ignorance, this admitted lack of knowledge and ability of knowledge, as a fundamental statement about the universe:

When a scientist creates a particle pair the scientist cannot know the state of each particle before measuring them:

Therefore the particles in reality do not have a state.

There is no reason to assume this.

When a scientist creates a particle pair, each particle is in a state, obviously that cannot be known by the scientist before the particles state is measured.

Just because a scientist does not know true facts about the universe, does not mean the universe is lacking true facts, which is being assumed and promoted by this bit of formalized ignorance.

Right but as soon as they measure one particle then they know the state of the 2nd particle, even if the 2nd particle is 1 light year away. Do you understand that?

originally posted by: Arbitrageur


What you're calling "action at a distance" isn't even action at a distance according to Physicist Charles Bennett, and indeed according to Sean Carroll's preferred interpretation discussed in the opening video of this thread there is no action in entanglement, it is merely a correlation, not an action, and further according to that interpretation it's not even faster than light so Sean Carroll wouldn't necessarily agree to that stipulation either, it's a completely local meaning not faster than light correlation in that interpretation.

Depends on who you ask I guess. Heinz Pagels used it to describe "instantaneous nonlocal interactions" first pointed out in the EPR article. It is true that you are doing is instantly changing the cross-correlation of two random sequences on opposite sides of the galaxy but cross-correlations are not local and cannot be used to violate local causality.
So that is a good point but I don't know if I have a problem with the term used that way just yet. Taking that route is taking for granted the objectivity of the quantum world which might be fine but Bells Theorem suggests either objectivity or locality is false. It's a mystery.

originally posted by: LiberateEarth
a reply to: GetHyped

The truth is, there is suppressed physics, which is not discussed on threads such as this because ridicule works very effectively to shut people up.

That is the elephant in the room.

Arb is right all of the ufo videos NEVER show the ufo whipping away at crazy speeds of any other proof of advanced physics.
Be wary of all that Steven Greer BS. I watched his videos and found blatant misdirection, he teases about new tech and says he will "get to that" later in the talk but he never does. He's making a living as a BS artist.

Black triangle cases are interesting as well as a few other things but the military does not have hidden physics knowledge. That isn't even how the military works, they don't hire top physicists and offer great careers for physics PHDs. No military specialists even stay in one place for any amount of time, the only way to progress is to move around to different jobs, that is how you get better pay and rank. No one stays static except for people who can't do a good job and are on their way out. Everyone is looking to advance ASAP! It's musical chairs. You have to opt out at the highest possible pay scale by moving through ranks which means taking new command positions whenever possible.
That is the opposite of how you do science where you take the smartest people and let them focus on one thing for their career.

Physics discoveries come from the best accelerators and the best physics departments at the best universities.
Then after discoveries are made weapons contractors and flight designers try to incorporate new physics into tech.
The idea that the military knows how to unify gravity with QM or something like that is hilarious.

originally posted by: joelr
Arb is right all of the ufo videos NEVER show the ufo whipping away at crazy speeds of any other proof of advanced physics.

I recall Tom Valone showing a clip at the Citizen Hearing on Disclosure, but I don't see it on the free videos posted on YouTube. As I recall I purchased the full webcast of the event at the time it took place.

The information is on the internet for those who want to find it.

originally posted by: LiberateEarth

I recall Tom Valone showing a clip at the Citizen Hearing on Disclosure, but I don't see it on the free videos posted on YouTube.

I haven't located the clip, but I have retrieved a presentation by Tom Valone on YouTube:

Published on Nov 23, 2010

Dr. Tom Valone's 28-year search for future energy and propulsion designs was initiated by an investigation into a UFO story, including a reproduced generator which he tested. According to Dr. Valone, the field is ripe for engineering analysis of likely propulsion systems. This investigation of the energy technology of UFO's provides fruitful insights for civilian back-engineering in order to catch up to covert "Black Budget" operations which only benefit the military.

This LIVE presentation was given at the X-Conference by Dr. Tom Valone.

The X-Conference is produced by X-PPAC (Extraterrestrial Phenomena Political Action Committee) and The Paradigm Research Group, who's mission is to educate Congress, the Press and the Public about the Government imposed "Truth Embargo" and to bring about formal acknowledgment by the U. S. Government of an Extraterrestrial presence engaging the Human Race - Full Disclosure. UFOTV is pleased to present what will be all of the presentations that were given by all the invited speakers at each of the X-Conference events. Stay tuned as we continue to upload further video coverage.

The Paradigm Research Group sponsored the Citizen Hearing on Disclosure, as I recall.

I believe Stephen Bassatt of the Paradigm Research Group is an honorable citizen of the United States, despite any smears that surely have been posted about him on the internet.

a reply to: LiberateEarth

"Dr." Thomas Valone is a fraud. He got his "PhD" from Warren National University, an unaccredited diploma mill:

Warren National University, previously known as Kennedy-Western University, was a post-secondary, distance learning, unaccredited private university that offered undergraduate and graduate degrees in the United States from 1984 to 2009. It has been described by federal investigators and news sources as a diploma mill, a designation it has disputed.[2][3] Its administrative offices were located in Agoura Hills, California.[4]

en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: GetHyped

Absolute nonsense, and typical mainstream denigration of true, scientific pursuit which challenges the power of the established control system (the Deep State).

We live in a culture of lying, and the sooner we the people get wise to it, the better.

a reply to: LiberateEarth

I see you're a "bury your head in the sand and pretend everything is fine" kinda person when presented with evidence that conflicts with your beliefs.

GAO investigation[edit]
An investigation was conducted in 2003-2004 by the U.S. General Accounting Office (GAO) to determine whether the federal government had paid for degrees from diploma mills and other unaccredited postsecondary schools.[27] Investigators determined that the federal government employed 463 individuals with degrees from unaccredited institutions including Kennedy-Western University.[28] Senator Collins presented the GAO report to the Committee on Governmental Affairs, of which she was the Chair and ranking Republican.[27]

Witness testimony was provided during the same hearing by Coast Guard Lieutenant Commander Claudia Gelzer, who was assigned as a staff aide to the committee and enrolled at Kennedy-Western as part of the committee's investigation of diploma mills. Gelzer testified that she enrolled at Kennedy-Western undercover Kennedy-Western gave her life experience credit towards a master's in environmental engineering. Kennedy-Western waived 43% of the course credit required for the degree based only on her application and descriptions of prior coursework and military training. She testified that Kennedy-Western didn't check any of her claimed work experience. With 16 hours of effort she was able to earn 40% of the total remaining coursework required for her master's.[26] "As for my first-hand experience with Kennedy-Western courses and passing the tests, I found that basic familiarity with the textbook was all I needed. I was able to find exam answers without having read a single chapter of the text. ... As for what I learned, the answer is very little."[29]

The university's Director of Corporate Communications, David Gering, stated to The Oregonian, "We clearly believe that we are not a diploma mill and have an academically rigorous program."[30] Lewis M. Phelps, a spokesman for Kennedy-Western University, said the online university was unfairly tarnished in the report. "The basic equation GAO seems to have come up with is 'no accreditation, no good,' " Phelps said. "We don't think that's valid."[31]

Oregon lawsuit[edit]
In July 2004, Warren National University filed a lawsuit on behalf of three former students, challenging an Oregon law that made it illegal for résumés used in connection with employment (including job applications) in the state to list degrees from institutions that are not accredited or recognized by the state as legitimate.[32][33] In the suit, WNU asserted that the Oregon law violated its graduates' constitutional rights.[33] In December 2004, Warren National and Oregon reached an out-of-court settlement in the case.[34] Under the terms of the settlement, Oregon agreed to revise its law, allowing graduates of unaccredited schools to list an unaccredited degree on a résumé.[33] The statutory revision was enacted in 2005.[35] In the settlement, the Oregon State Office of Degree Authorization (ODA) also agreed to refrain from referring to the school as a "diploma mill" and the state attorney general's office agreed to provide ODA personnel with a training session on law related to defamation.[33][34] However, Oregon still does not allow WNU degrees to be used for governmental employment or for professional licenses,[36] because the ODA determined that the institution does not meet standard academic requirements as specified by Oregon statute ORS 348.609(1).[37]

Pray tell, what exactly is the "mainstream degeneration" here? The fact that:

1) It was an unaccredited institution?

2) It was investigated and found to be a diploma mill?

originally posted by: GetHyped
I see you're a "bury your head in the sand and pretend everything is fine" kinda person when presented with evidence that conflicts with your beliefs.

Comical.

Hidden and Suppressed physics... oh no, they are onto me and my Time Projection Chamber

Well, I think this guy has beat everyone. He's patented the first (I think it's the first) space compression time dilation machine. The patent description doesn't include the illustrations of the machine, but the theory and design are described in detail. Coincidentally, I just finished a scifi book "Quantum Space" by Douglas Phillips. The story revolves around the development of a space-time compression machine. It's a great read.

Method of space compression time dilation machine
WO 2013088425 A2
ABSTRACT
A method for making space compression, time dilation machine (20), depending on the known principles of space contract, and accompanied time dilation, in addition to a new assumption, that space and time are wavy, if the 3-diemsnions of space are compressed, the 4th-dimension time which is vertical on the space is dilated, such that the time waves frequency (ticks) are decreased, due to the elongation of the observed length of the time waves. A six faces of a cone (27), made from a highly concentrated gamma rays layers (26), are created, by emitting rays through convex lenses sets (25), to create the cone (27), wherein the gamma rays passing the cone (27), are reflected by concave mirrors (28) again towards the layers (26), while the whole cone (27) is compressed by the curved space, in-between compressed facing magnets (30) with similar poles, then compressing the cone (27) inward, compresses the space enclosed by it, and dilate the time.
www.google.com...

The patent details are also a good read - although I don't have a clue if his math is valid or not. If you choose to read it, please post what you think about it.

If it's valid, forget propulsion. All we need is his time cone!

originally posted by: Phantom423
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The patent details are also a good read - although I don't have a clue if his math is valid or not. If you choose to read it, please post what you think about it.

If it's valid, forget propulsion. All we need is his time cone!

Nope, just another nonsensical patent application. There are quite a few of them out there.

originally posted by: Phantom423
The patent details are also a good read - although I don't have a clue if his math is valid or not. If you choose to read it, please post what you think about it.

If it's valid, forget propulsion. All we need is his time cone!

You're supposed to enclose quotes from external sources like the patent quote in "ex tags", like this quote from further on in that patent:

www.google.com...

As its shown before in figures (2, 3), that if the space is expanded, time is contracted, if the space is compressed, the space's length frequency is increased in the direction of movement, while the time frequency is decreased, then the time is slowed down (dilated).

This can explain scientifically the story of the seven Christian sleepers, that are mentioned in the history, as well as in more details in the Holy Quran, who were mentioned to sleep around 309 years, in the cave, but when they wake up, they did not feel they lived for this period, but felt they stayed sleeping for a daylight or less in the cave.

There was a science fiction TV show called "Andromeda" which had a similar premise that the captain and his ship only experienced a few days passage of time and found themselves 300 years in the future, however he wasn't in a cave, he was very close to the event horizon of a black hole. Provided the black hole has a large enough mass so the tidal forces near the event horizon don't rip the captain and his ship apart, general relativity does predict that such a scenario is theoretically possible with a lot of caveats like if the radiation near the event horizon didn't kill you which it probably would, and if you could actually escape from being that close to the event horizon, which you most likely can't. I suspect such a black hole would need to have a mass much greater than the mass of our sun, and there's surely no such black hole inside a cave.

To me it's sad, disappointing and somewhat scary that someone is trying to find scientific proof for what seems to be a scientifically impossible event, but keep in mind that even the so-called "non-extremist" laws in these Muslim majority countries have the death penalty as the punishment for anybody who denies Islam, which I suppose would include denying what is written in the "Holy Quran" about the 7 people who fell asleep for a few days and woke up 309 years in the future:

The countries where apostasy is punishable by death

Afghanistan, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates and Yemen are the relevant countries.

All of these countries, except Pakistan, allow for capital punishment against apostasy, while Pakistan imposes the death penalty for blasphemy - including a disbelief in God.

Islam has yet to reconcile faith and reason, and despite Muslims having a significant portion of the world's population the contributions of the Muslim world to science are disproportionately small. Is that any wonder if they are wasting time trying to scientifically validate myths which are obviously not true? Actually I think the reasons are more complex than that but it's still sad and scary. How can you tell Muslims they shouldn't believe these unbelievable stories in the Quran when in some places they may face the death penalty for denying them? I think any faith that feels it has to kill people who decide not to follow it anymore is evil, and I really don't care if it's politically correct to say that or not.

We do have scientifically validated time travelers, the astronauts and cosmonauts:

Cosmonaut Sergei Krikalev, the World’s Most Prolific Time Traveler

If you add up the accumulated speed cosmonaut Sergei Krivalev has traveled in space – the most of any human with a total time spent in orbit of 803 days 9 hours and 39 minutes – he has actually time-traveled into his own future by 0.02 seconds.

0.02 seconds of time travel in orbit around Earth is believable, but 309 years of time travel in a cave on Earth just didn't happen in any scientific way so it really does sound crazy to read this patent claiming that myth can be explained scientifically.

This thread has become quite massive lol. Apologies if this has already been discussed along the way (haven't read the whole thing, too big!), if it has, will have to go through and find it.

Would love to have an opinion on this excerpt from the documentary "The Fabric of the Cosmos" from real physicists. It has to do with some weird effects re special relativity. In this vid Brian Greene imagines a guy sitting at a gas station on earth, and an alien on a planet 10 billion light years away. When they're not moving, their clocks agree, and they share the same "now". Yet if the alien gets on his imaginary bike and rides away from earth their will be a discrepancy. Not much, but over such a vast distance the time on earth could now be 200yrs in the past (from the alien's perspective). While if he rides towards earth, the aliens "now" will include an earth 200 yrs in the future.

Have noticed from other forums physicists seem to sneer at this a bit, claiming it is really irrelevant in any practical sense, as the information would limited by the speed of light anyway (and possibly because such things are often used as a springboard for much new age pseudo science). Though it does seem to indicate something strange. From a physics pov, it seems the past, present and future are as real and relevant as each other.

It seems strange then, that if we can sense the past and the present moment, why not the future? Would this be some limitation of physics, or simply a quirk in the way our brains/nervous systems have evolved to perceive the world?

Sean Carroll mentions somewhere that our universe simply seems to go from order to disorder (2nd law of thermodynamics?) ie. scrambled eggs never "unscramble" themselves, and so we simply sense this unfolding as "time". Yet somehow this doesn't seem to explain why we can only be aware of the past and the now, if the future is also as real, as demonstrated at least in "theory"?