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So rather than trying to give an over-simplified answer to a complex question, I think it's better to read about the complexities involved:
Eros' eternally correct statement
"A simple answer to a fundamental question is a rarity. Scratch the surface of a simple answer and you will find a squid work under it"
Why are you assuming I haven't heard many times and don't know and understand those ideas equally or better than him? I know the 'radical ideas' very well and understand how and why they exist as ideas, which is precisely why I am able to successfully argue against their existence.
One last question: Are there masses/types of particles of matter that when accelerated EM radiation does not propagate away from them?
I know there are particles considered to be charged particles, and particles considered to be non charged, and then there is the neutron (which is said to be composed of positive and negative quarks). So it is thought there are non charge particles that exist, and when they are accelerated, EM radiation does not propagate away from them?
I thought you might appreciate that video since it seemed to be consistent with what you were saying about having a physical model. Having a rigorous mathematical underpinning is also good, and both is even better.
originally posted by: delbertlarson
a reply to: Arbitrageur
I didn't know Fermi used the two sentences. However, they have been my guide all along.
Maybe you didn't understand my answer because if you did I certainly don't understand your question.
originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: Arbitrageur
Thanks, those links helped.
So just to make sure I'm drawing the right conclusion, is the difference between spin 1/2 and spin 1 just the +/- 1 factor of the wave function, when a spin 1/2 is flipped 360 degrees?
That doesn't work for me. Why not skip both and then not have to apologize? Speculation by informed people knowledgeable about physics is fine, but your comment sounds like a bunch of words strung together in ways that suggest you are uninformed. If you had stopped at "Black hole collisions produce gravity waves" that would have made sense, but you had to distort that by tacking on some relationship between gravity waves and the Higgs which are unrelated. This is not helpful to anyone in any way and I don't know what you expect to get out of it except embarrassment.
originally posted by: smokybarnable
This is a great thread. As a scientist, but not a physicist (in the slightest) I'd like to speculate and ask for apologies.
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
like your false dichotomy of touch
various forms of aether that's certainly your prerogative but the burden of proof is not really on me to show that aether doesn't exist, and in fact I admit it might be possible but I've just never seen any good evidence for it.
That’s not the weirdest part, though. The weird part comes when you look at what happens when you flip the spin twice. In a classical system, or a system of ordinary quantized angular momentum, when you rotate the direction of angular momentum through 360 degrees, you get back to where you started. If you start out in a state with one unit of angular momentum, then do something to move it from +1 to 0, then 0 to -1, then -1 to 0, and finally 0 back to +1, at the end of all that state-shifting, you end up with a state that is indistinguishable from an identical system that just sat in +1 the whole time.
When you do this with half-integer spin– that is, take an electron in spin-up, flip it to spin-down, and then back to spin-up, you pick up a factor of -1. That is, the spin is pointing in the same direction it was at the start, but the overall wavefunction for that electron is multiplied by -1.
That doesn't work for me. Why not skip both and then not have to apologize? Speculation by informed people knowledgeable about physics is fine, but your comment sounds like a bunch of words strung together in ways that suggest you are uninformed. If you had stopped at "Black hole collisions produce gravity waves" that would have made sense, but you had to distort that by tacking on some relationship between gravity waves and the Higgs which are unrelated. This is not helpful to anyone in any way and I don't know what you expect to get out of it except embarrassment.
Ignorance is fine, and so is asking genuine questions, but please leave the speculation to those more knowledgeable about the subject.
originally posted by: DanielKoenig
Atoms and electrons dont touch each other because THE ELECTRIC/MAGNETIC FIELD/MEDIUM/AETHER EXISTS BETWEEN THEM.
The electricmagnetic field/medium/aether is not nothing.
That is how electron can influence an electron without the electron touching the electron, there is "NOT NOTHING" in between the electrons, it has been called 'electric magnetic field'.
Just like you can move a floating ball without touching it in water by splashing the water.
The electron and atoms interact with one another without touching by splashing the electromagnetic field/medium/aether.
Here's the tautology which applies:
originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
So its wrong to speculate if you're not "qualified"? Its not like Smokeybarnable was making dogmatic statements about anything, and everyone has the legitimate right to speculate about whatever they please whether you like it or not. If you want to genuinely inform someone of theory or fact, that's fine. But to excoriate someone for thinking out of the box (even if its 100% wrong)...well, its unbecoming of a professional truth seeking physicists.
originally posted by: joelr
First of all are you talking about an electromagnetic field as in the classical EM field or are you invoking quantum field theory which is a quantum field?
First of all are you talking about
The only known action at a distance is entanglement.
No, there is a lot of confusion on this topic but see James Clerk Maxwell's treatise in chapter XXIII "Theories of Action at a Distance", it has absolutely nothing to do with entanglement or faster than light, he is talking about electromagnetism which travels at the speed of light.
originally posted by: joelr
Action at a distance refers to something influencing something else before light speed could have delivered some type of influence.
IBM’s Charles Bennett, has said, what Einstein got wrong was characterizing entanglement as spooky action at a distance. “It’s spooky,” says Bennett, “but it’s not action at a distance.”
I think it should be referred to as a correlation rather than an "action" so I tend to think Bennett has a point. I can't say I agree with Sean Carroll's preferred interpretation but whether that's correct or not I still think correlation is a better description than action.
“This worst thing that happens here is when people describe entanglement — and I’m not going to say who is the highly reputed scientist who did this first — as ‘spooky action at a distance,’” Bennett said last week at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. “That has generated an enormous amount of confusion that people in this field are trying to undo all the time.”
At first glance, it does seem that entanglement permits instantaneous messaging from one lab to another, no matter how far apart they are. That’s what Einstein didn’t like. But actually, no signal is sent. Alice’s measurement merely alters the description of the “quantum state,” the math describing the entangled system containing the two particles. Alice’s measurement changes the universe in a way that gives Bob’s particle a definite property to measure that it did not previously possess.
“It’s spooky,” says Bennett, “but it’s not action at a distance.”
Capiche?
It's not like they forgot to carry the one and all I have to do to correct that is say "if you carry the one that will fix your speculation". It's hard to even make sense out of that and sure it would be pretty great if someone finally figured out what dark matter really is because everyone would like to know, but I'm pretty sure it's not the number 9.
The number nine is Energy being manifested in a single moment event of occurrence in our physical world of creation. It is unique because it is the focal center by being the only number identifying with the vertical upright axis. It is the singularity or the Primal Point of Unity. ... The number nine is the missing particle in the universe known as Dark Matter.