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originally posted by: ImaFungi
a reply to: joelr
I know everything you know about theoretical fundamental physics, but more. I have all your understandings and perceptions of models and reality in my head, but the more intelligent progression of my thought, has resulted in viewing such stances as far from accurate/complete comprehensions of actual reality.
originally posted by: mbkennel
As I understand it (we need Eros for confirmation), the notion of "virtual particles" comes about when you try to do many computations in quantum field theory, and you need to make a "perturbative expansion".
In principle, Nature solves the true underlying field equations in full nonlinear form. Which humans approximate up to a certain order of expansion (think of approximating a function by a series expansion in some region around a known value).
In this expansion there are terms which are identified as 'particles' by their mathematical structure and the connection to physical experiment. The real ones were identified, and then there are other terms, in the math which look like real particles (but aren't exactly), and these are called "virtual particles".
Down at the core, there is the underlying field theory which is the TRVTH as far as we know it. Then there are approximations so primates can connect to primate experimental results.
Analogy: to do Maxwellian classical electrodynamics, you don't need virtual particles. You just solve the underlying partial differential equations. But when you do it on a computer, you have to, in practice, make some grid of 'finite elements' and patches of 'fields'. These are the expansion functions, in a sense, of a practical electromagnetic simulation. They aren't the underlying truth, they are the computational convenience.
In a rough analogy, these are equivalent to real and virtual particles. In electromagnetic interactions, real particles (photons) correspond to radiation which can transmit energy & momentum out to far distances. The virtual particles are the expansion representation for non-radiative (near field, in the classical sense) electromagnetic forces like induction, etc.
"The right-hand side of this equation describes the energy contents of our universe (including the 'dark energy' that propels the current cosmic acceleration)," Livio explained. "The left-hand side describes the geometry of space-time. The equality reflects the fact that in Einstein's general relativity, mass and energy determine the geometry, and concomitantly the curvature, which is a manifestation of what we call gravity.
In alternative language, newtonian gravitational theory states that the acceleration a (the rate of change of the velocity v) imparted by gravitation on a test particle is determined by the gravitational potential phi,
a = -dv / dt = -delphi,
and the potential is determined by the surrounding mass distribution rho by Poisson's partial differential equation
del·delphi = 4piGrho.
Are you talking about the antiparticle of the Higgs? It's thought to be its own anti-particle like the photon and gluon. Some extended versions of the standard model predict more than one Higgs boson but we won't know if those models are right unless more Higgs bosons are discovered. I don't know much about those models but I would have guessed that the other Higgs bosons would also be presumed to be their own antiparticles, though I'm not really sure about that.
originally posted by: Maverick7
I'm supposing that due to symmetry you can have a negative Higgs Particle?
originally posted by: Maverick7
This is such a great thread. Thanks to all those who are posting here.
Theory of Gravity, three views:
This is the relativistic version of the theory of gravitational attraction:
i.livescience.com...
"The right-hand side of this equation describes the energy contents of our universe (including the 'dark energy' that propels the current cosmic acceleration)," Livio explained. "The left-hand side describes the geometry of space-time. The equality reflects the fact that in Einstein's general relativity, mass and energy determine the geometry, and concomitantly the curvature, which is a manifestation of what we call gravity.
We have three basic branches (classical/Newtonian, Einstein's equation, and advanced theories Minkowski, and others)
Einstein's equation, which is enhanced to give the full equation at the beginning of the post
G = 8πgT/c^4
Newton's F (force) = G * [(m1*m2)/r^2]
This wiki explains the terms. Anyone have anything to add?
R_[mu nu ]-[1 over 2]R,g_[mu nu ]+Lambda g_[mu nu ]=[8pi G over c^[4]]T_[mu nu ]
en.wikipedia.org...
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where R_[mu nu ], is the Ricci curvature tensor,
R, is the scalar curvature, g_[mu nu ], is the metric tensor,
Lambda , is the cosmological constant,
G, is Newton's gravitational constant,
c, is the speed of light in vacuum, and
T_[mu nu ], is the stress–energy tensor.
The best way to approach this concept, I believe, is to forget you ever saw the word “particle” in the term. A virtual particle is not a particle at all. It refers precisely to a disturbance in a field that is not a particle. A particle is a nice, regular ripple in a field, one that can travel smoothly and effortlessly through space, like a clear tone of a bell moving through the air. A “virtual particle”, generally, is a disturbance in a field that will never be found on its own, but instead is something that is caused by the presence of other particles, often of other fields.
Analogy time (and a very close one mathematically); think about a child’s swing. If you give it a shove and let it go, it will swing back and forth with a time period that is always the same, no matter how hard was the initial shove you gave it. This is the natural motion of the swing. Now compare that regular, smooth, constant back-and-forth motion to what would happen if you started giving the swing a shove many times during each of its back and forth swings. Well, the swing would start jiggling around all over the place, in a very unnatural motion, and it would not swing smoothly at all. The poor child on the swing would be furious at you, as you’d be making his or her ride very uncomfortable. This unpleasant jiggling motion — this disturbance of the swing — is different from the swing’s natural and preferred back-and-forth regular motion just as a “virtual particle” disturbance is different from a real particle. If something makes a real particle, that particle can go off on its own across space. If something makes a disturbance, that disturbance will die away, or break apart, once its cause is gone. So it’s not like a particle at all, and I wish we didn’t call it that.
Students of math and physics will recognize real photons as solutions of a wave equation, and virtual photons as related to the Green function associated with this equation.
Eros already said it might be possible or it might not be possible for Earth based or any other experiment to detect dark matter directly. Neutrinos are already hard to detect because so few of them interact with detectors, so if dark matter particles interact even less, then the only evidence we might have of them is their gravitational interaction. The distribution of dark matter is a mystery to me though. It seems to comprise maybe 85% of the matter in the universe but very little of it appears to be in our solar system. Even if most of it is in what they call "halos", I would imagine a few particles still might make it to underground labs in Earth but I have no idea how many.
originally posted by: ImaFungi
a reply to: ErosA433
Why do you think it is possible for an earth based experiment to detect dark matter?
I suggest reading his excellent thread:
Is it theorized that it is hypothetically possible to detect dark matter itself, or is the experiment an attempt to detect other things, and claim that those other things that were detected are results of interacting with dark matter?
originally posted by: Nochzwei
just build an over unity machine (many are there on the internet)and you will get electrons out of the time domain, which are the dark matter
dark matter search ends here
a reply to: ImaFungi
Lol how clownish of you.
originally posted by: ImaFungi
originally posted by: Nochzwei
just build an over unity machine (many are there on the internet)and you will get electrons out of the time domain, which are the dark matter
dark matter search ends here
a reply to: ImaFungi
You do not seem to understand that you do not understand that you are making statements that you do not understand and you do not understand that you do not understand how they are wrong.
originally posted by: ImaFungi
a reply to: Arbitrageur
If no dark matter is directly or indirectly detected, would the experiment be a waste of money, resources and time?
Would your answer differ, if the reason no dark matter would be detected is due to hair brained theory?
You mean like when Marko Rodin announced 5 years ago what dark matter really was?
originally posted by: ImaFungi
a reply to: Bedlam
Even if it was possible to do that by thoroughly critiquing current theory and observation? Without the need for multi billion dollar dust collector?
So you gotta wonder why we are still looking for dark matter when he already told us what it was, and you probably have an equally compelling explanation as does Nochzwei with his "electrons out of time domain".
And the 9 demonstrates the omni dimension which is the higher dimensional flux emanation called Spirit that always occurs within the center of the magnetic field lines. The last number left to be explained from The MATHEMATICAL FINGER PRINT OF GOD is the number 9. The number nine is Energy being manifested in a single moment event of occurrence in our physical world of creation. It is unique because it is the focal center by being the only number identifying with the vertical upright axis. It is the singularity or the Primal Point of Unity. The number nine never changes and is linear. For example all multiples of 9 equal 9. 9x1=9, 9x2=18, but 1+8=9, 9x3=27, but 2+7=9. This is because it is emanating in a straight line from the center of mass out of the nucleus of every atom, and from out of the singularity of a black hole. It is complete, revealing perfection, and has no parity because it always equals itself. The number nine is the missing particle in the universe known as Dark Matter.