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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ImaFungi
Show me a geometric point. No dimension.
Show me a geometric line. One dimension
Show me a geometric plane. Two dimensions.
originally posted by: Bedlam
originally posted by: ImaFungi
This is a relevant question; Because if you are saying there does not always exist the same number of photons;
You are saying that objects that are not photons can become photons and vice versa...
It's obvious that there does not always exist the same number of photons.
Objects don't become photons under normal circumstances. Objects can emit them, though.
originally posted by: Bedlam
originally posted by: ImaFungi
So we have two different photons, traveling with/as different frequencies.
What is the meaning of a single photon traveling as a frequency?
A single ball, bobbing up and down?
Is that the closest analogy and capturer of reality?
Not at all. Photons aren't balls, they don't bob up and down. I'd have to say, it's not even close as an analogy.
originally posted by: Bedlam
originally posted by: ImaFungi
originally posted by: Arbitrageur
I don't think it's much like a ball bobbing up and down.
If a photon is never like a ball bobbing up and down
A photon is never a particle.
False dichotomy 101!
originally posted by: dragonridr
originally posted by: ImaFungi
originally posted by: dragonridr
No first photons aren't particles and they aren't waves those are just qualities of out photon. It is both it is neither.you want to put photons into a niche they are like nothing else. And at the same time like everything else since even matter can have waves.
Just because you dont know the way reality exactly exists;
Does not mean reality does not exist exactly in a way;
It is exactly more that;
Reality exists exactly in a way;
You dont know the way in which reality exactly exists;
We must use experiment and thought to best approach a comprehension of the way in which reality exists.
Anything that ever has existed and ever will exist is comparable to geometry.
NO I'm trying to tell you your just looking at diffret aspects of a photon. It's not one or the other it's both. Depends on what we're looking for as to what we see. Reminds me of the story of the three blind men trying to describe an elephant. They argue nit realizing they are describing parts of the same thing.
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ImaFungi
You said geometry is real but you cannot show me the geometric constructs I delineated.
Is a point real? You yourself said it is not. Yet it is the most basic concept of geometry. Your word salad gets tiresome.
That is not a geometric point. That is an ink blot on a piece of paper.
Take a pen, and make a point on a piece of paper.
That's right, you said that geometry is real. You don't even know the basics of geometry. But like physics you claim to have a knowledge beyond those who are telling you are wrong. A geometric point is not 1d, it has no dimensions.
I never said a 1d point is real.
Like I said, word salad. Semantically null. And tiresome.
If there were 3 rocks on the ground, and 3 sticks broke off of a tree and fell connecting the 3 dots, that would be a triangle. Geometry is eternal and true, and all that exists and ever exists, does so, physically in relation to the perfect laws of perfect geometry. The self consistent rule of math is contained in the geometry of space.
originally posted by: ImaFungi
originally posted by: Bedlam
originally posted by: ImaFungi
So we have two different photons, traveling with/as different frequencies.
What is the meaning of a single photon traveling as a frequency?
A single ball, bobbing up and down?
Is that the closest analogy and capturer of reality?
Not at all. Photons aren't balls, they don't bob up and down. I'd have to say, it's not even close as an analogy.
Ok, then light IS NEVER PARTICLE LIKE!
And; LIGHT IS A MEDIUM OF MATTER WHICH EXISTS AT ALL POINTS OF SPACE AT ALL TIMES
Either light is separate particle balls.
Or light is a medium.
originally posted by: Phage
That is not a geometric point. That is an ink blot on a piece of paper.
That's right, you said that geometry is real. You don't even know the basics of geometry. But like physics you claim to have a knowledge beyond those who are telling you are wrong. A geometric point is not 1d, it has no dimensions.
Like I said, word salad. Semantically null. And tiresome.
originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: ImaFungi
Geometry is a construct created by man to explain the universe. Geometry didn't exist it is simply rules we created based on a math system we created. Do you naively think math based off the number 10 is dictated by the universe? Humans created it based off the number of fingers we have. Math is a construct a tool useful tool but a tool none the less.
Was wrong... because a 1d point cannot be made... so geometry cannot start with that...
Word salad
originally posted by: dragonridr
Do you naively think math based off the number 10 is dictated by the universe? Humans created it based off the number of fingers we have. Math is a construct a tool useful tool but a tool none the less.
originally posted by: Phage
After a point is a line. One dimension. Show me one.
After a line is a plane. Two dimensions. Show me one.
Geometry, like all maths, is a human construct. It is no more real than any other math. What is the square root of negative one?
No answer then? Just world salad?
Either you are joking or proudly making a fool of yourself.
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ImaFungi
Was wrong... because a 1d point cannot be made... so geometry cannot start with that...
But it does.
Word salad
After a point is a line. One dimension. Show me one.
After a line is a plane. Two dimensions. Show me one.
Geometry, like all maths, is a human construct. It is no more real than any other math. What is the square root of negative one?
"Dimensionless point particle"? Useful in a model but not 'real'?
originally posted by: Phage
] No answer then? Just world salad?
Show me a geometric point.
Show me a geometric line.
Show me a geometric plane.
What's the square root of negative one?
You said geometry is real. You said math is real. Show me any of these things are real.
Or, go away.