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originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
well you may not think so but medical science does. not as strong as mushrooms,peyote and other plants, or man made hallucinogens
originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: sirhumperdink
I know. It's ridiculous. Mind you, hair samples, assuming unchecked growth, can actually tell you all about most of the chemicals put into the body over a long period, not just THC. But you are right, the treatment that this subject receives has always been poorly thought out, and based on prejudice not scientific backing.
I would hope that when this law has been in place a while, that people come to appreciate the reality of the situation, that being the fact that a town full of stoners is better off than a town full of drunks.
originally posted by: captaintyinknots
a reply to: NthOther
Here's where state law comes into play. If the law has no provision for circumstances such as these, then I'm afraid our protagonist is screwed.
the precedence has to be set. This will be one of the first cases to set it. Ill bet money he wins, as its a privacy issue.
As a potential employer, I want sharp folks working with me. I personally wouldn't care what you did with your off time, but if you came in high, I'd fire you real quick and in a hurry.
originally posted by: TKDRL
a reply to: totallackey
Well in some places like Colorado, peoples rights actually trump "the rules" it seems. When "the rules" try to trump people's rights that way, "the rules" should be slapped down.
If your job wants to test you for impairment on the job fine. They should not however, be able to test if you decided to get impaired on your days off and dismiss you for it. It is simply none of their business what you do on your own time.
And how does the test indicate it was "done on the employee's time..." (as if that is really not allowed)...(in fact, it is).
One thing all the whiners need to get straight is this very simple fact...An employer has the right to hire and fire who they want...period.
Unless the state has a law, like Colorado. If someone fires someone for doing any legal activity on their own time, including partaking in marijuana, if the wrongfully dismissed employer sued, they would win. State law is on their side in that case,
State-licensed medical marijuana use not "lawful activity" for purposes of this section. The statute does not define "lawful", and a plain and ordinary meaning of the word is that which is "permitted by law".
Because medical marijuana use is subject to both state and federal law, for such an activity to be lawful in this state, it must be permitted by, and not contrary to, both state and federal law. Because plaintiff's state-licensed medical marijuana use was, at the time of termination, subject to and prohibited by federal law, it was not "lawful activity". Coats v. Dish Network, L.L.C., 2013 COA 62, 303 P.3d 147.
originally posted by: DodgyDawg
Would they have fired him if he decided to drink in his own time away from work?.
originally posted by: NthOther
What becomes of the THC test? Can employers discriminate against people who choose to engage in (off the clock) perfectly legal activities?
"Psychoactive" is not the same as "hallucinogenic". This is more ignorance on full display.
Hallucinogens are a general group of pharmacological agents that can be divided into three broad categories: psychedelics, dissociatives, and deliriants. These classes of psychoactive drugs have in common that they can cause subjective changes in perception, thought, emotion and consciousness.
Classical or serotonergic psychedelics (agonists for the 5-HT2A serotonin receptors) include L.S.D. (also known as "acid"), psilocin (the active constituent of psilocybin mushrooms, commonly known as "magic mushrooms" or "shrooms"), mescaline (the active constituent of peyote), and D.M.T. (the active constituent of ayahuasca and potentially an endogenous psychedelic compound). Salvia divinorum is an atypical psychedelic that has been gaining popularity over the past decade, due to its legality in many US states. It is often compared to D.M.T. due to its short and very intense trip. A few newer synthetics such as MDMA and 2C-B have also enjoyed some popularity. Cannabis is one of the most widely used psychoactive drugs in the world, and certain modern Cannabis strains like Sharkberry Cream are described to produce more psychedelic effects than quasi-psychdelic effects in comparison to most other Cannabis strains and are often preferred over Jack Herer as they produce a cleaner high.
Cannabinoids (CB-1 cannabinoid receptor agonists) The cannabinoid tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and related compounds are capable of activating the brain's endocannabinoid system. Some effects may include a general change in consciousness, mild euphoria, feelings of general well-being, relaxation or stress reduction, enhanced recollection of episodic memory, hunger, increased sensuality, increased awareness of sensation, creative or philosophical thinking, disruption of linear memory, paranoia, agitation, anxiety, potentiation of other psychedelics, and increased awareness of sound, patterns, and color.
If you don't believe me, try both of them and see for yourself what the difference is.
originally posted by: dreamingawake
Update on this:
Supervisors reviewed his situation. They offered his job back with a "Change of heart because he was not working during the TV interview."
He'll decide Monday if he wants to return to the job.
originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: totallackey
If you had ever met my father, you would understand. Simply put, a sober person is not necessarily any better than a wasted one. I have met people who have been stone cold sober all of the time, and have been total bastards. A persons habits need not define their personality, either when sober as possible, OR under the influence of recreational toxins, like alcohol or the smoke. Everyone is different, and everyone reacts differently to the introduction of recreational compounds. The reality is that whether it is better or worse, positive or negative, depends on the person in question.
However, it could also be argued that being totally straight sober has a similar duality to it, depending on the individual in question. There are no right answers to this issue, because it is a complicated one. No single argument for or against is bullet proof. However, the argument that a town full of sober people is better than a town full of stoned or drunk ones, depends who is in the town, not what the people in the town put in their bodies.