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Four kids, two adults shot dead near Houston

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posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 02:47 PM
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originally posted by: HauntWok
No, a small number of malcontents want to overthrow the government, and just want to get rid of the liberals.


This thread is not about your fevered paranoia. Or is it? Who cares what a few people want or desire? The adults are discussing the Second Amendment and the Framer's rationale for enumerating it as a fundamental right.


And they just want to do this so they can have a real life first person shooter game without the consequences if those "unconstitutional murder laws"


Your over the top mania in regards the topic is practically salacious.




posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 03:00 PM
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a reply to: HauntWok



that includes INSURANCE




Your stance that legal gun owners are violent and blood thirsty
does not pass Mr. Spock's smell test.

Several Colorado elected officials were "forcibly" removed
by a recall petition.

These anti gun hairbrained officials believed they could
dictate restrictive gun laws from their elected positions.

Anti gun politicians take note.

On second thought, not much of what you have said
passes the smell test of a common sensed American.

You know how to employ the smell test on an infant?
Pick them up and put your nose close to the diaper, and inhale cautiously
and analyze the incoming messages.

I hold up your ideas and subject them to the smell test.

edit on 22/7/2014 by spirited75 because: very true



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 03:17 PM
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a reply to: HauntWok

you could join Sara Brady's group and change the world.
Or better yet you could join Moms Demand Action, which seems more up your alley.

I have included a link to their facebook page.

www.facebook.com...



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: HauntWok






edit on 22/7/2014 by spirited75 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 04:24 PM
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originally posted by: HauntWok
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus
No, a small number of malcontents want to overthrow the government, and just want to get rid of the liberals.


it's not a small number, and nobody's just looking to "get rid of the liberas"

i'm sure there are people who think that way, but they are the minority, and i don't think any of them are in this thread.



And they just want to do this so they can have a real life first person shooter game without the consequences if those "unconstitutional murder laws"


since you saw fit to ignore it last time i replied to this idiotic assertion, i'll ask again: "where are you getting this from?"

seriously, stop making things up..



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 08:22 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I say PATHOLOGICAL. watch THIS thread will make the news..."Giggles" and his undisciplined hatred of his fellow man will act out here is walking straight into it and we are BASHING him with the road signs.
He probably thinks we ALL collude to manipulate him by lies.
I TELL you I feel the same but I CAN maintain.
YEARS of practice and a little help from friends and one makes it.



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 08:36 PM
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a reply to: Daedalus

Please, you are the one that in another thread said you wanted to execute illegals, and in this thread stated you wanted to forcibly remove elected officials.

And how many times have you heard the saying, the tree of liberty has to be watered by the blood of tyrants and patriots?

Or the declaration of independence used to try and start a violent revolution?

How many of you cheer when Alex Jones said 1776 will commence again...

Please, don't lie to me. I'm not stupid.

"We need or guns for self defense" = "I wanna kill someone"

"We need or guns to defeat the government" = "I want a civil war"

Come on, don't play dumb. We all know.



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 08:40 PM
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originally posted by: HauntWok
"We need or guns for self defense" = "I wanna kill someone"

"We need or guns to defeat the government" = "I want a civil war".


Using your line of logic "I have a fire extinguisher" = "I want my house to burn down".

You seem to take a perverse glee in inventing new and ever more projected, sociopathic talking points.



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 08:56 PM
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originally posted by: HauntWok
a reply to: Daedalus
Please, you are the one that in another thread said you wanted to execute illegals


under specific conditions.....stop leaving things out.

it's not what i said...i'm not going to go into detail as to what i ACTUALLY said, because that isn't the topic of this thread...

the topic of this thread is dead people in texas, and your delusional ranting, and attempts to paint all gun owners as blood-thirsty homicidal maniacs....



and in this thread stated you wanted to forcibly remove elected officials.


which, you wrongly equated to some sort of violence, probably involving a gun....which was also, NOT what i said...stop making things up...



And how many times have you heard the saying, the tree of liberty has to be watered by the blood of tyrants and patriots?


i've heard that one a fair few times....but not in this thread...and i don't know that i've seen any of the participants use it....could be wrong on that one, but even if i am, it doesn't matter, because it would be outside this thread, and therefore, irrelevant..



Or the declaration of independence used to try and start a violent revolution?


so nobody can cite precedent now?



How many of you cheer when Alex Jones said 1776 will commence again...


probably not many of us....i'm fairly certain the majority of alex's subscribers/watchers/fans/followers facepalmed HARD when he said that...



Please, don't lie to me. I'm not stupid.


nobody's lying to you, and that last bit is debatable....but not here...



"We need or guns for self defense" = "I wanna kill someone"


actually, and i fixed the spelling for you, as well..

"We need our guns for self defense" = "i would like to keep people who wish to do me harm, from doing me harm"



"We need or guns to defeat the government" = "I want a civil war"


actually, and i fixed the spelling for you, as well..

"We need our guns to defeat the government" = "if it comes down to us versus them, we won't start the fight, but we'll damn-well finish it"



Come on, don't play dumb. We all know.


we all know what?

that you're absolutely wrong? (if you're being serious, that is)

that this thread is your masterpiece?

the longest continuous trolling in ATS history?

the ATS thread equivalent of Sienfeld? (a show about nothing)

edit on 7-22-2014 by Daedalus because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 22 2014 @ 09:17 PM
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If you look at the lunacy from people like the fool trying to explain how an inanimate object is evil and should be band from the people of this great nation, you can see that we are already in a cultural civil war that must be fought and won or we will lose our country to the arrogant elitist, power hungry control freaks of the world.



posted on Jul, 23 2014 @ 07:52 AM
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originally posted by: HauntWok
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

No, a small number of malcontents want to overthrow the government, and just want to get rid of the liberals.

And they just want to do this so they can have a real life first person shooter game without the consequences if those "unconstitutional murder laws"



"No person may be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law." The very same Bill of Rights that protects your right to keep and bear arms in self defense also protects your right not to be murdered.

I've never, ever, ever, heard a gun rights advocate call a law against murder "unconstitutional." You simply made that up and that's typical of the leftist anti-gun rights lies. Let me guess, you watched "Purge 2" recently.



posted on Jul, 23 2014 @ 08:59 AM
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a reply to: HauntWok

Do you really come up with this crap on your own?

Please show me where any of these things actually are stated.



posted on Jul, 23 2014 @ 09:03 AM
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Bottom line behind this incident, its murder.
Whether this guy went in with a gun, knife, bat, or just his bare hands his main objective was to MURDER his family.
Do you really think that if he'd not had a gun it would have made a difference? He would have found some other way to do what he wanted.

Point: its doesn't matter what kind of laws or preventions are put out there to control us. If someone has it in his/her mind to kill someone, they will find a way regardless of what's on paper.
edit on 23-7-2014 by PageLC14 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 23 2014 @ 09:08 AM
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originally posted by: PageLC14
Point: its doesn't matter what kind of laws or preventions are put out there to control guns. If someone has it in his/her mind to kill someone, they will find a way regardless of what's on paper.


Exactly. Murder is illegal. We have laws on the books outlawing murder. Has it stopped? Criminals ignore the law, that is why they are criminals.



posted on Jul, 23 2014 @ 09:53 AM
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a reply to: PageLC14

and this is the distilled, "TL;DR" version of what ALL of us (except wok) have been saying for the last 35+ pages...



posted on Jul, 23 2014 @ 11:17 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus


Exactly. Murder is illegal. We have laws on the books outlawing murder. Has it stopped? Criminals ignore the law, that is why they are criminals.


Except in most of these mass shooting cases, the perpetrator was not a criminal prior to the act itself and had obtained the firearm legally.

Legal firearms, bought legally, owned by law abiding gun owners, used to commit violent criminal offenses.



posted on Jul, 23 2014 @ 11:23 AM
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a reply to: HauntWok

So, basically the only way to stop these things is for you to donate your crystal ball, the same one you use to pull info from about people wanting to overthrow the Govt, and that all Pro-2nd people just want to shoot someone.


There are no guarantees for safety. Even banning certain people, or guns out right will not stop anything.



posted on Jul, 23 2014 @ 11:33 AM
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a reply to: macman

Yes, we get the idea, no laws do anything at all ever, so why have laws at all? I mean since no law ever has ever stopped anything from being done.

Except that they do, DUI laws have reduced the frequency of DUI deaths by two thirds over thirty years.

Transportation safety laws have reduced automobile accidents .

No, it doesn't eliminate them completely, but these kinds of laws actually do work over time. This is why I pointed at spirited75 's avatar, and questioned, that if gun laws don't stop crime at all ever anywhere, is his avatar a lie?



posted on Jul, 23 2014 @ 11:37 AM
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originally posted by: HauntWok
a reply to: macman

Yes, we get the idea, no laws do anything at all ever, so why have laws at all? I mean since no law ever has ever stopped anything from being done.

Except that they do, DUI laws have reduced the frequency of DUI deaths by two thirds over thirty years.

Transportation safety laws have reduced automobile accidents .


Don't forget, current gun laws have reduced gun crime significantly. Oh wait that doesn't gel with the rest of your rhetoric since you are advocating for more gun laws... Hmm...

It's funny that you say the above then when we point out what I just pointed out, you ignore it and continue to push for more gun control despite you using the EXACT same argument for unrelated reductions.
edit on 23-7-2014 by Krazysh0t because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 23 2014 @ 11:38 AM
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a reply to: HauntWok

and, AGAIN....

you're failing to acknowledge that NO law will stop this....if someone REALLY wants a gun, there are ways to get them.

failing that, if they don't have the time or the money to get it, and they ABSOLUTELY feel the need to kill someone, they will simply make use of some other tool to achieve their goal...

guns are not the problem, people are....making laws to regulate guns will have ZERO effect on this perceived "epidemic" of yours..



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