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Sending a picture of your underaged penis illegal, police taking many pictures of your underaged pen

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posted on Jul, 9 2014 @ 02:41 PM
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a reply to: thisguyrighthere

Dear thisguyrighthere,

I'm not sure I would do a creditable job in discussing the philosophical basis for coercion in the hands of society (primarily because i have to get off for some errands).

But if I may offer some unrequested advice?


Where there is no direct harm to person or property there is no crime AFAIC.

"The law is the law is the law" is a simple rule for a simple mind.


While that does look courageous and principled on the internet, please don't quote it if you ever find yourself in front of a judge.

As noble as the sentiment may be, it fails one important test. It doesn't work.

With respect,
Charles1952




posted on Jul, 9 2014 @ 02:41 PM
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a reply to: charles1952

Just had to get your obama jab in there huh?? Cause that was relevant.

Even if it is illegal, the punishment does not fit the crime.
And I missed in your post why the girl is not getting charged??

The teen is facing two felony charges, for possession of child pornography and manufacturing child pornography, which could lead not only to incarceration until he’s 21, but inclusion on the state sex offender data base for, possibly, the rest of his life.


Bold is mine, are they freaking serious!?
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posted on Jul, 9 2014 @ 02:44 PM
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a reply to: charles1952

"Nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced." -Albert Einstein



posted on Jul, 9 2014 @ 02:44 PM
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a reply to: TKDRL
I have no problem with what these fine officers want to do.
I am sure it is in the interests of national security.

I would like to say more about this magical shot!!
But I'm sure there are women and children viewing and ATS T$C and all..



posted on Jul, 9 2014 @ 02:45 PM
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a reply to: charles1952

Your point's well taken, & thanks for making me take another look at my opinion, posted above. In light of the fact that the girl's mother is still pressing charges, I have to concede that the law enforcement position here has to be that damned "our hands are tied" thing. Judges, however, are allowed more leeway, so I still hope for another judge who feels the same way as the original one did, & for more should the case need to be appealed up the legal chain.

Technically, yes, the kid broke the law, but with luck, there's still room for the idea that some cases of this type call for the application of a bit of common sense & understanding along with the letter of the law.



posted on Jul, 9 2014 @ 02:49 PM
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a reply to: BuzzCory
If I was the judge I would toss this out of court, order the prosecutor to be mentally evaluated for 48 hours, and award a large punitive damage to the defendant. It is beyond ridiculous, the prosecutor must be a complete moron for trying to prosecute crap like this.....

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posted on Jul, 9 2014 @ 02:50 PM
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originally posted by: charles1952
As noble as the sentiment may be, it fails one important test. It doesn't work.

With respect,
Charles1952


And that's soul-crushingly depressing. Doesnt mean we shouldnt try.

Jury nullification works. A recent case in NH got a guy off from his drug charges with nullification.

The people are stupid are fearful. Educating about liberty can work. We're fighting uphill against police who want power, politicians who want money and re-election, full-retard parents who happily sell out their childrens liberty for the fantasy of child-safety.

Living in Hell doesnt mean we shouldnt strive for Heaven.

We've tolerated bull# no-victim and pre-crime legislation for far too long.



posted on Jul, 9 2014 @ 02:54 PM
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a reply to: TKDRL

I agree, but what I found after thinking about it further, was that as long as charges are being pressed, the police & prosecutors have to do something. Tech has progressed to the point that kids can get into trouble doing what went unnoticed before (yeah I had a Polaroid camera in my earlier years, & no internet to tempt me to upload), & also that LE has some pretty twisted options to pursue action in light of existing charges.

I'm definitely with you on hopes for future judicial action!


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posted on Jul, 9 2014 @ 02:57 PM
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a reply to: Sremmos80

Dear Sremmos80,


Just had to get your obama jab in there huh?? Cause that was relevant.


Oh, please. Allow me a little fun, there's not much to be had these days. Besides, I see it as extremely relevant. There was a time when we were seen as a nation of laws, not of men. Even Bush got full approval of Congress for Iraq and talked with the UN about it.

We do see that our current president has no difficulty in ignoring laws, changing the specific penalties, or writing new laws. That is what I see happening in many of the posts in this thread. Many seem to be saying, "I don't happen to approve of what the Virginia State legislature did, so it's wrong, and should not be enforced. And even if the State legislature didn't make a mistake, the County Attorney shouldn't prosecute violations of that law. (Channeling Obama - Holder.)


Even if it is illegal, the punishment does not fit the crime.


A little premature aren't you? What, exactly is the punishment here? Will the judge grant probation or parole? Will the charges be plea bargained down? Why don't you wait a while before making that particular claim.


And I missed in your post why the girl is not getting charged??
I'm not sure I said. I looked at the source article and drew my comments from that. If you want to do more research, fine with me, but I don't care enough.

Wait a minute. Why did you ask? Do you think the girl should be charged? I'd be surprised if you thought she should. Aren't you happy that she hasn't been charged (yet)?

If you are concerned that the two people involved aren't being treated exactly the same, then I confess that you no longer make sense to me. I thought you were asking the prosecutor or the mayor, or somebody to realize that they should exercise "prosecutorial discretion" and drop the case. Yet at the same time, you're suggesting that there should be no prosecutorial discretion and the two should be treated identically.

You understand my confusion, no doubt.

With respect,
Charles1952



posted on Jul, 9 2014 @ 02:58 PM
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originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: thisguyrighthere

What's even better is they accuse him and attempt to charge him w a sexual crime while perpetrating an even more heinous crime




oh but you know, that cops are above the law remeber, so as usual nothing will happen to these sick pigs.



posted on Jul, 9 2014 @ 02:59 PM
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Prosecutors have the last say in deciding what charges are worth pursuing, or not pursuing. Any prosecutor that chooses to prosecute these complete pretzel twisting of the rule of law should find themselves publicly humiliated, disbarred, and out on their ass looking for another job IMO.

These laws were made to punish actual pedophiles that rape and molest kids on camera and sell the videos..... Not to punish teenagers for being, well, teenagers. I feel sorry for kids growing up now......
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posted on Jul, 9 2014 @ 03:06 PM
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This is outrageous! There are a few things that strike me here:

1. Sexism. The girl committed the same exact crimes, why isn't she being charged? She even initiated it. Could you imagine the thermonuclear outrage if the girl's genitals were forcibly photographed? If a search warrant was issued permitting the artificial sexual stimulation for photographic purposes and forensic image analysis? The whole world would implode.

2. Hypocrisy. There was no invasive act committed by the boy; the contact/conduct between the teens was consensual. Yet the police are committing invasive, sexual assault by a) photographing his penis against the boy's will, and b) wanting to INDUCING AND ERECTION. Madness man, madness.

I hope this kid suits the hell out of the police, district attorneys, as well as any clinic/hospital & health care workers (if any are idiotic enough to try and inject him with papavarine, etc). He's been unnecessarily violated, his life on the verge of being destroyed and deserves adequate compensation.
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posted on Jul, 9 2014 @ 03:08 PM
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a reply to: TKDRL


If I was the judge I would toss this out of court, order the prosecutor to be mentally evaluated for 48 hours, and award a large punitive damage to the defendant. It is beyond ridiculous, the prosecutor must be a complete moron for trying to prosecute crap like this.....
That's why you're not a judge, and will probably never be an attorney. You're too sensational.

The source article says a judge has issued a search warrant for the evidence involved. What if that's the same judge the case is heard before? Order himself to undergo psychiatric evaluation? Or do you want him to walk into the issuing Judge's office and say, "You know, Sam, we're going to have to cancel our fishing trip, because I disagree with your decision. You must be nuts, so I'm having you locked up for the weekend."

Of course, Sam then issues an order blocking the execution of the commitment papers and files a complaint with the Bar Association and the Judicial Ethics Committee.

The world isn't like the way you seem to report it.

Besides, at least in my state, it's a 72 hour hold.

Yes, I realize this is kind of a silly reply, but I can only work with what I'm given.



posted on Jul, 9 2014 @ 03:11 PM
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oh but you know, that cops are above the law remeber, so as usual nothing will happen to these sick pigs.
What in the world does this have to do with the police? They don't charge anybody, that's not their job. And they have to investigate allegations of felonies. If they didn't you'd accuse them of a cover up.

What were you trying to say?



posted on Jul, 9 2014 @ 03:13 PM
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a reply to: charles1952
No, the only reason I cannot become an attorney or judge, is because I would never enter that insane line of work in the first place. They threw common sense and judiciary prudence out the window decades ago. Piss on anyone that supports the "justice system", in it's current corrupt and insane form.



posted on Jul, 9 2014 @ 03:13 PM
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One thing that can make a huge difference here is whether or not anyone from the DA on down to prosecuting attorneys is coming up on a bid for re-election in that county. It's all well & good to examine an ideal-world application of the laws fairly across the board, but the reality is often something else. It can go either way: just as the original judge showed a tendency toward leniency, concern for public image can heavily influence how cases are pursued by all whose careers are coming up for scrutiny and weighing by the voting public.



posted on Jul, 9 2014 @ 03:16 PM
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Next time the DA or whoever is responsible for persuing this nonsense is up for re-election, I hope this case, and any other ones like it that they have pursued hangs them by the balls out to dry. This "career move" should follow them around and shame them for the rest of that career, just like the record they are attempting to pin on the penis picture guy.



posted on Jul, 9 2014 @ 03:30 PM
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Actually, you're only partially right.


Prosecutors have the last say in deciding what charges are worth pursuing, or not pursuing.
I agree completely


Any prosecutor that chooses to prosecute these complete pretzel twisting of the rule of law should find themselves publicly humiliated, disbarred, and out on their ass looking for another job IMO.
I understand it's your opinion, but how does enforcing the law as written qualify for firing, humiliation, and disbarment? (Quick answer? It doesn't. That's not just an opinion.)


These laws were made to punish actual pedophiles that rape and molest kids on camera and sell the videos..... Not to punish teenagers for being, well, teenagers. I feel sorry for kids growing up now......


This is clearly in error. The law specifically addresses Sexting by name. The legislative discussions show they fully realized they were dealing with teenagers. The driving force behind making it illegal was the extreme humiliation suffered when these got out into the school, neighborhood, or public at large. Attempted suicides were caused by sexting certain images.

You might disagree with the solution, indeed the Virginia legisature looked at the issue twice after the current law was passed. At one of the sessions an act to change the penalty to a misdemeanor failed.

Please stop thinking this is crazy, twisted, an offense against Man and God. It's what the legislature decided to do after thinking and rethinking the issue over years. You may argue that you wouldn't have voted the way the legislature did, but so what?

Now you've made me curious. Why are you so upset? Is it because Virginia has had the gall to dare to try to limit a form of sexual expression? It certainly isn't concern for protecting the image of the boy's private parts which he has on his phone and has been seen by at least one other. As I've pointed out, the evidence will be heavily limited and protected. Do you think we shouldn't be discouraging teenage sex?

What is your concern?



posted on Jul, 9 2014 @ 03:41 PM
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I understand it's your opinion, but how does enforcing the law as written qualify for firing, humiliation, and disbarment? (Quick answer? It doesn't. That's not just an opinion.)

It would sway my vote when ever this person is on any ballot, I would never vote for scum that enforce these stupid laws. I am sure I am not alone. I will also publicly humiliate these people as much as possible, I am sure I am not alone. I can use my free speech for these things still.


Now you've made me curious. Why are you so upset? Is it because Virginia has had the gall to dare to try to limit a form of sexual expression? It certainly isn't concern for protecting the image of the boy's private parts which he has on his phone and has been seen by at least one other. As I've pointed out, the evidence will be heavily limited and protected. Do you think we shouldn't be discouraging teenage sex?


Why am I upset? Why are you not? This is a consensual private communication between two people we are talking about here. Discouraging teen sex by turning them into criminals and sex offenders? No, I think that is stupid as hell.


The driving force behind making it illegal was the extreme humiliation suffered when these got out into the school, neighborhood, or public at large. Attempted suicides were caused by sexting certain images.


Use your brains...... A few people tried to commit suicide, so lets make every act illegal. Because tossing a bunch people in jail and tossing them into the same category and registries as a rapist is a whole lot better than a few people committing suicide. Is that really what counts as logic these days?




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posted on Jul, 9 2014 @ 03:48 PM
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Why would anyone want to send a picture of a penis to someone....sounds kind of weird to me.




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