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The Hypocracy of the American Right - How Americans Are Brainwashed

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posted on Jul, 8 2014 @ 08:58 PM
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a reply to: neo96

No one really thought corporations were bad back when jobs were still here. The idea was that manufacturing jobs were off shored and replaced by technology jobs. Problem with that is automation of processes.

Its not that corporations are evil. Its that Citizens United has made them into Frankensteins Monster, and they are exploiting lower labor costs over seas, rather than hiring here in their own back yard.

Is that really a problem? Currently, yes it is.




posted on Jul, 8 2014 @ 09:03 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan





Problem with that is automation of processes.


Can't argue with that.

The technological progression of the last 30 years has played a large part in the decline of employment.




Its that Citizens United has made them into Frankensteins Monster,


I will argue this.

Social engineering has turned them in to 'monsters'.

As they are corporate welfare, as those programs guarantee them evil 'monsters' income.




and they are exploiting lower labor costs over seas, rather than hiring here in their own back yard.


People really need to take a good hard look at this.

As why it is 'cheaper' to have products made 10,000 miles away and shipped here than it is to have those same products made here less than a mile away.

Evil corporations don't really care where they do business.

They never have.
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posted on Jul, 8 2014 @ 09:48 PM
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Corporations can even have a religion now according to the Supreme Court. That along with Citizens United have made them human.

Its true both parties suck, but reality demonstrates the GOP is much worst.

The conservative libertarian philosophy of selfishness that the GOP stand by and its ideas that promote selfishness, naked, inhuman capitalism and ignorance and anti-human views of people are the worst element in the mix.

They are the dark pole in the moral fabric of this world


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posted on Jul, 8 2014 @ 10:10 PM
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a reply to: NoRulesAllowed

Haha , you are talking about how people get brainwashed. Then you go and blame one party out of two when they both have had equal opportunity to fix things. Regardless which party has had full control the same issue that has plagued us for several decades still exist today.

Don't be part of the problem and fall for the distractions and scapegoats while the Oligopolies that control our elected officials continue laughing to the bank.

1. Do you honestly think that corporate Oligopolies or politicians care more about political ideals than profit.
2. Do you think that regulations in this country are drafted by politicians or the lobbyist?

The problem is the GOP , DNC, MSM, and Telecom industries , are all controlled by the same Oligopolies who draft and or create our regulations in this country. They in essence control the consumers and the market because they control what you see, hear, think, want and are allowed to do via regulations and they pitch to our elected officials with incentive$ that others can't touch.

Concentrate on the real issue:

The loopholes , revolving door policies between elected officials and the industries they are suppose to regulate, highest bidding lobbyist who draft our regulations.

In other words none of the things that neither side discusses during election year or debates , primarily because both parties also dictate what issues are discussed and who is allowed to the table. Money doesn't discriminate.



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posted on Jul, 8 2014 @ 11:17 PM
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Yes, it is time to flush the washington toilet that leashes all of us by our own inactions. It is high time to remove all of the slime that quells all forms of true freedom and build anew, it is our children's only chance of anything that resembles a form of a life. Vote all of these self serving liars out of office....start with the mid terms, let them know where the real power dwells...then we will start the revolt...with the pull of a lever...



posted on Jul, 8 2014 @ 11:42 PM
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Interesting to read from outside the US.

Of course the US is not the only country to have strong concerns about, and reactions to floods of immigrants.
In South Africa a wave of xenophobic, anti-immigrant violence was so strong in 2008 that it led to an almost country-wide uprising, and the UN had to build refugee camps for some immigrants, and the army had to be deployed.
www.boston.com...

But I wonder, liberal theories might conclude that immigrants flee their countries because they've been messed up by other countries in some indirect or neo-imperialist sense.
However I'm not so sure anymore, because it took a very short time for some immigrants to make certain local areas look exactly like their home countries.
We have a part of our town that's called "Little Mogadishu" informally now, and apparently it looks exactly like the place the immigrants came from.

What if they have a problem with their way of doing things they should rather address at home, or they will just export it elsewhere?
Will they really integrate, or eventually colonize with their cultures and values?

If they bring their traditional politics, aesthetics, attitudes and problems to the target country, then it follows that country will look exactly like where they came from in a few decades.

If that's what people want it's fine.
Perhaps some places want a bit more variety, or maybe they view themselves as cultures under continual construction where any eventual outcome is fine.
But if they don't, they should be highly selective in letting in only those who are carefully chosen.
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posted on Jul, 8 2014 @ 11:55 PM
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originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
You don't have a "left" and right" in US politics.

Your so-called "socialist commie-loving" democrats would be way to the right of center in any civilized country.

All you have is vaguely moderate right, and insanely idiotic right.


ya, sure thing.

more like normal people and progressives.



posted on Jul, 9 2014 @ 12:03 AM
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a reply to: NoRulesAllowed

Brainwashing does not exist. This is yet another hoax.



posted on Jul, 9 2014 @ 12:14 AM
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a reply to: NoRulesAllowed

This the latest talking points from somewhere? No one is blaming illegal immigration for all our ills. Most of us feel that it's just adding to them. I mean Obama want $4billion to deal with the issues already. How much will it take when the numbers increase and over the long term? How many jobs will be lost to them? How many schools will become overcrowded? How much additional resources will they consume?

OP your rant is misguided.



posted on Jul, 9 2014 @ 03:28 AM
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Ya know... It's funny!
I've never flown in anything but a small private plane.
I used to hope I would.
Now I don't want to.
I have no idea if I am on a do not fly list or not.
And I have too much metal in my body and probably wouldn't get through the security anyways.
And I really don't feel like being radiated or molested thank you!
I have watched my country slowly slip into what seems to be a police state! Kids being blown up in their playpens and all!

All in the defense of those evil terrorists who envy our "freedom"!!!
okay fine the whole world is breeding a mass of people who won't be happy till america is blown into rubble by the evil terrorists!!
But by God if little granny and her wheelchair has to be searched to be flown across the country and a two year old has to be denied passage all in the name of security they sure the hell can put some security on that border!!!
Otherwise we the people will begin to believe that the whole "terrorist" bit just might be a con to convince us to give up our liberties and send our kids halfway around the world to die for profits for big defense contractors!
Oh wait a minute!!
We already do don't we!!!

Some of us are also wondering just why someone would want that many illegal undocumented kids in our country to begin with. It's not like we need more laborers, we don't have the jobs for the ones we have. And kids are so easily exploited!!!

Maybe people have good reasons to be upset about this!!!



posted on Jul, 9 2014 @ 06:06 AM
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originally posted by: HolgerTheDane2

originally posted by: grandmakdw
The hypocrisy of the American left:

***snip***

Convinced Americans that to think someone who commits a crime under US law should not only be forgiven but given all the benefits of law abiding citizens (illegal aliens)

Convinced Americans that the people who hire them and pay their salaries are inherently evil and selfish and are not to be trusted under any circumstances.
Building a wall between them that may take generations to break down.

***snip***


So you are basically saying that the illegal immigrants are criminals and the people who hire them are NOT even if what they do is helping to destroy the American economi and taking "your" job?



Wow.. Talking about attempting to derail things. First they were ILLEGAL immigrants, so they should not be ALLOWED ANYWHERE but their respective countries of origins. Second the companies that "knowingly" hire illegals need to be busted as well.

This idiotic concept that these "poor" people only want a better life so we should just accept them, is utter BULL MANURE. This is insulting to everyone who wants to be in this country and has been working on the process for years to be a LEGAL naturalized citizen. I am all for LEGAL immigration I have ZERO tolerance for anyone who wants to be here and their first thing they do is break the law to do it.

Also I find it utterly appalling that the only reason the DEMS/Libs want these "poor and hopeless" people here for is vote saturation. You cannot even remotely try to say otherwise. Why else would they be fighting so hard for suppressing valid I.D. programs to vote?

This is all a game to both the DEMs and REPs. WE THE PEOPLE need to need to tell them to follow the laws on immigration and to stop playing games with the country.


Grim



posted on Jul, 9 2014 @ 09:37 AM
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originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
You don't have a "left" and right" in US politics.

Your so-called "socialist commie-loving" democrats would be way to the right of center in any civilized country.

All you have is vaguely moderate right, and insanely idiotic right.


Maybe you are correct:
civilized countries believe that children belong to the state and not to the parents,
if the parents home-school the children must be removed from the parents,
children must be indoctrinated into politically correct thinking at all costs,
(it is beginning in the US, recently a child was removed from her parents because her Doctor and her parents disagreed with "the state" over which type of medical treatment she needed)


Too bad all the civilized countries are having such a steep decline in birth rates that soon there will not be enough young people to support the pensions of the people who didn't have children because the children weren't theirs, they belonged to the state.

Maybe you are correct:
civilized countries have so demonized all employers except the state that most small business only hire relatives because the laws protecting employees who are not family are so draconian

that they can't afford to expand and hire others (I saw this consistently when I lived in Europe for 6 years, small business owners whose children had to work for them because they could get no other jobs and the business could not survive hiring non-family)

Maybe you are correct: civilized countries allow unlimited and unbounded immigration.

I lived near the French border for years and know for a fact that there are areas in France that non-Muslims "can not" go because France has allowed the locals to fully enact shariah law, making it too dangerous for non-muslims to go into those areas.

Maybe you are correct:
civilized countries are rightly ashamed of once being great and must keep any patriotic displays in their proper place; when the ruling class of elected dictators roles into town or on specified holiday events.

Other than the proper time and place, being proud of ones country is gauche.


Maybe you are correct:
BUT - I would hate to have a civilized government run microsoft or apple, if they did, phones would still be the size of a roll of paper towels, and software would run as well as the Obamacare software does.

Why?
Government requires multiple multiple layers of bureaucracy and countless committee meetings and people in charge who know absolutely nothing about the "business" of what is going on, they just know how to kiss up to the political overlords and political "petty democratic dictators" (democratic as in the type of dictator, not the party)

You have convinced me, the state must be my father, mother, employer, teacher and requires my devotion bordering on religion to be my only religion (but I must never be proud of what the state was before it was civilized). That is what it is to be civilized and truly socialist/communist/progressive. Everyone who doesn't share my belief must be intolerant, racist, bigoted, and actually dangerous to society.

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posted on Jul, 9 2014 @ 04:17 PM
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a reply to: NoRulesAllowed




posted on Jul, 9 2014 @ 07:35 PM
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The hypocrisy of statism: The masters you worship are all corrupt, power hungry sociopaths. The masters I worship are all good guys looking out for everyone's best interest.



posted on Jul, 10 2014 @ 08:35 AM
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I really hope this isn't taken the wrong way, but I have to call it like I see it, and it ain't pretty!

All one need do is to take a look back at the history of the rise of the 3rd Reich. There are commonalities with what we are experiencing in the US today. When Hitler took control of Germany, he looked at the state of the country and tried to define what had caused their economy to crumble. After all, it was the great depression era, and Germany was full on into one as much as we were. What he came up with was a common denominator. The same people who owned the banks, also controlled the media, entertainment and commerce. They ran the educational institutions as well. Since they controlled almost ever aspect of social and business life, he determined that they were responsible for the collapse of the economy.

Hitler also knew that whom ever controlled the media and entertainment industry controlled public opinion. He knew how to use propaganda based on this. Since he knew how all of this worked, he surmised that the people who controlled it all were to blame for all of Germany's woes. So who was responsible? According to Hitler, the Jews. Let me lay down the similarities.

Who controlled the banks in Germany/USA - Jews.
Who controlled the media in Germany/USA - Jews.
Who controlled the entertainment industry in Germany/USA - Jews.

The parallels go on from there, but you get the idea. So my point in all of this is we often see how history repeats itself. I fear the day is coming that once again the Jews will be blamed for our problems and will once again be targeted. When you have such powerful influence on a population, you are making yourself a scapegoat by default. Sooner or later people are going to point the finger at those who they believe have steered policy and created the mess they find themselves in. People will feed off that and before you know it, we are once again knocking on the door of a terrible situation.

Food for thought.



posted on Jul, 10 2014 @ 08:48 AM
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An excellent thought it is!

I too see the rise of Fascism in our country right now.

All the ingredients you listed are there.

However, I think Christians are the scapegoats rather than Jews, or maybe the two combined

Look at how Christians are being forced to close businesses or change their business structure rather than compromise values



posted on Jul, 10 2014 @ 09:38 AM
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a reply to: grandmakdw

You are correct. Both are headed down that path.



posted on Jul, 12 2014 @ 03:15 AM
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originally posted by: NoRulesAllowed
The US is a society that is basically ruled by a handful of what conspiracy theorists call the "Elite": Large corporates, politicians, wealthy individuals. Those entities have rather simple goals A) PROFIT B) POWER/CONTROL C) POWER/CONTROL and PROFIT


completely agreed..



The last few days I am looking at America again and I am nothing but appalled seeing how American's are brainwashed, and what I see is staggering parallels to pre-NAZI Germany.


and here it is..

dude, not everything is a parallel to late 1930's germany

and what you classify as "brainwashing", might not be anything of the sort...



People are demonstrating and voicing their anger against buses with immigrants. "Yes, it is the immigrants who are responsible for all our problems". Comedians like S. Palin come to the scene now and demanding to impeach Obama because of a "failed immigration policy".


they're not responsible for ALL of our problems..to say that any one thing, or any one group of people is responsible for ALL of our problems would be absurd, and incredibly naive...that said, illegal immigrants, generally those from mexico, are causing a great deal of of our problems.

the president's failed immigration policy isn't THE reason to impeach him...it's just the latest scandal, in a long line of blunders, lies, and outright crimes against the people...when is enough enough? dismissing out of hand, what the lady has to say, simply because you disagree with it, shows me that YOU are in fact the one who is "brainwashed"



Oh my, how those immigrants are all responsible for the doom of America!


ILLEGAL immigrants....and they're certainly not helping things....jobs, economy, crime, disease...you can't dispute these things...



While there is no doubt that illegal immigration plays "some" role for America's problems I think that illegal immigration makes only a tiny fraction of the problems we/you guys are having. HOWEVER, conservative politicians now have a wonderful opportunity to distract from the real issues and furthering their agendas.

There are three buses with 20 illegals each and people standing there with signs, demonstrating.

Just down the road may be the headquarter of corporate X (such as HP, Any random "American" car manufacturer, whatever) where it's perfectly legal that their entire customer service department, manufacturing is outsourced to Pakistan or India. (Ever wondered why you are connected to India when you call HP tech support, for instance?)

NO ONE, absolutely NO ONE of the American people is holding signs in front of those companies and asking why it's legal that thousands of jobs are outsourced to 3rd world countries.

NO ONE is holding up signs wondering why any big "American" car manufacturer is actually manufacturing abroad.

NO ONE is holding up signs and demonstrating why LEVIS Jeans, the football your are playing with or most goods you get at Walmart are actually made in Sri Lanka or Pakistan by children.

AMAZING.

A huge chunk of American jobs is long gone, those jobs are in Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, China.

Because it's entirely legal for corporates to do so, because it is what makes them profit. Because it's corporates and their profit who rule your country.



oh, we're asking, but most people have given up on that, because they can't fight the corporations..

corporations shipped off a ton of good jobs overseas...and illegals are stealing a lot of the ones that are left....tell me this isn't a problem..

me and my family had to move out of our home of 20 years, because of illegals....i'd say they're a bigger problem than you think....




Guess what. S. Palin and whatever conservative politician are now having a blast. Because you are shaking your fists and blaming Jose and Jorge for the fact that you don't have a job! I guess those politicians are keeling over right now laughing.


because if it wasn't for Jose, and Jorge, i could get a job in construction, or landscaping, or on a farm, or as a janitor, or manufacturing...but i can't, because they've got the jobs...and they don't belong here. if they were gone, i could have one of them jobs...it's real simple..



Instead of ADDRESSING and solving your problems which are mainly brought on by unregulated, wild-west capitalism where a corporate can do whatever they want for their own profit, you are now demanding the impeachment of your president because he is "too liberal", because of the idea of universal health care or whatever things considered "socialist".


and now you've really gone off the rails....

capitalism isn't the problem...greed, and a lack of compassion, and pride are...

and who's demanding that the president be impeached for being "too liberal"? maybe some idiot "wing-oriented" club members are demanding it for that reason, but people with an IQ over toothpaste are demanding he be impeached because he broke the law, lied to the people, and has no respect for the republic, or anything it is supposed to stand for...

the ACA isn't universal health care, and it's not even socialist...it is pure state-sanctioned, state-enforced robbery, disguised as capitalist humanitarianism ...



Here is my advice:

You really, really should vote for some right comedian like Romney or Palin in 2016. I would advice that corporates in America need even more freedom, that they get huge tax breaks anytime when they outsourced, say, a good number of jobs to Swasiland or Sri Lanka. Healthcare should be scrapped, so should be your entire "welfare" system. Corporates should be allowed to pay as little as they want for those few remaining jobs WITHIN the US. Ah heck, let's just make a law that they can hire people to work without pay...maybe in exchange for some food and a shack where they can live between their shifts.

And while things will get worse and worse (because NO ONE will touch your holy corporates), let's throw stones at buses with immigrants, because, ya know, if it wasn't for Jorge and Jose you ALL still had your well paying jobs! Bad, bad Mexicans they are!


satire and sarcasm aren't your strong suits.....



posted on Jul, 12 2014 @ 10:21 AM
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originally posted by: Grimmley

originally posted by: HolgerTheDane2

originally posted by: grandmakdw
The hypocrisy of the American left:

***snip***

Convinced Americans that to think someone who commits a crime under US law should not only be forgiven but given all the benefits of law abiding citizens (illegal aliens)

Convinced Americans that the people who hire them and pay their salaries are inherently evil and selfish and are not to be trusted under any circumstances.
Building a wall between them that may take generations to break down.

***snip***


So you are basically saying that the illegal immigrants are criminals and the people who hire them are NOT even if what they do is helping to destroy the American economi and taking "your" job?



Wow.. Talking about attempting to derail things. First they were ILLEGAL immigrants, so they should not be ALLOWED ANYWHERE but their respective countries of origins. Second the companies that "knowingly" hire illegals need to be busted as well.

This idiotic concept that these "poor" people only want a better life so we should just accept them, is utter BULL MANURE. This is insulting to everyone who wants to be in this country and has been working on the process for years to be a LEGAL naturalized citizen. I am all for LEGAL immigration I have ZERO tolerance for anyone who wants to be here and their first thing they do is break the law to do it.

Also I find it utterly appalling that the only reason the DEMS/Libs want these "poor and hopeless" people here for is vote saturation. You cannot even remotely try to say otherwise. Why else would they be fighting so hard for suppressing valid I.D. programs to vote?

This is all a game to both the DEMs and REPs. WE THE PEOPLE need to need to tell them to follow the laws on immigration and to stop playing games with the country.


Grim


To be absolutely fair to the original poster of the bullit points I was referring to, I misunderstood the bullit following the bullit on illegal immigrants as if it referred to those people who employ the illegal immigrants.

And no, I don't think the illegal immigrants should have automatic citizenship or even a permanent permit (green card?).

What I do think is that the same zeal shown in hunting down those illegal immigrants should be used to put the employers of them on the very same bus out of the states.

And then the US should use some of it's outsourcing practices to help Mexico out of the rut they are in. Help your neighbours rather than people across the globe. Funny thing is that you, by outsourcing to China and buying their goods, are supporting a political system Amercans seem to hate with a vengeance.



posted on Jul, 12 2014 @ 10:37 AM
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America's brainwashing has gone on since they could figure out how to do it in the 60s.
Only the message changes. Mine was KILL COMMIES which I did. Then I figured out the hippies resistance method AKA invade the academic systems to brain wash people ...like BARRY.



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