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posted on Jul, 8 2014 @ 07:01 AM
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originally posted by: Jesuslives4u
a reply to: Strawberry88

I think you have told us enough to all agree that something is not right. I did not read all of your posts but I think I understand.

Have you ever heard of thoughts being generated from outside the body? Just like in many TV series - something good or evil standing next a person telling that person to do such and such....... or the woman who heard a voice that she thought was God who told her to throw the baby into the sea and she did it.

I recommend you check yourself into a mental facility and see if medication helps. I would also recommend you be steadfast in prayers asking God (be specific) exactly what you need. (not what you want)

You need help TODAY - not next week.

Good luck


Thank you for dropping by! I appreciate your reply, I'm always open towards all kinds of people and religions. I don't really believe there is a person I should be directing my prayers to though, I think the Buddhist method mentioned here earlier has already proven to me to be efficient and I will continue to experiment with, and use these ancient techniques.

As much as I value every persons opinion, I can not help but be highly skeptical when presented with analyses that seem to draw their conclusions from fictional media, not that this is what you are presenting me per se, but it is what it reminds me of when I hear an entity of good and or evil standing on a person's shoulder/near them. It all sounds a bit cartoony in my head and could maybe be a good way to explain this illness to children in a very rudimentary form, but for me personally, it doesn't do much at all.

I think you are going in the right direction, but it's not quite there. I see similar ideas in the buddhist approach, they ascribe these thoughts to the outside mental realm, just like you ascribe them to "something evil", whether it's a cartoonish devil figure or a grim entity trying to find a weak mind to penetrate and wreak havoc in. It pretty much all boils down to the same thing when you think about it, and I had already came upon this conclusion in this very thread. I don't expect everyone to read every page long post though, so that's perfectly fine!


The added question could be the MKU one, to stay a little bit on both topics; are these "evil thoughts" being pushed purposefully? I don't know, I always like to hypothesize a bit, just for fun, this isn't serious business, TPTB could be watching, I'm not onto anything here! Though I do find it hard to believe that IF there were indeed some group, easily generalized under TPTB, they would not be aware of this effect. It's very probably of course, that I am just working with reversed logic, and there is nothing being forced and I'm just applying the conspiracy of evil men trying to rule the planet to the idea of global mental manipulation through media etc. because that is how I experience the world and well, I'm a fruitcake at times,

But what if "they" DO know, I'm no statistics buff so you'll have to excuse my ignorance in this area, but is there generally an increase in school shootings etc over the decades? What about murder? Reported psychiatric cases? Why link increases in crime to guns? Guns have always been in American society, how about TV, the internet, and the amount of exposure younger and younger children are getting to what USED TO BE adult content? I'm not a prude, but some videoclips today would be considered pornography 22 years ago, I am quite sure, and if that is an exaggeration, then at least I am sure we will agree on the fact that the intensity has increased exponentially! It's everywhere! It's portable! Children as young as 11 years old are found to have pornography on their smartphones! This should ring alarm bells to everyone! Same goes for ultraviolence which has only increased. A movie like saw? Come one, not even cult movies went that far in the 90's, or perhaps they did but in underground scenes, I don't think you'd find stuff like that in a video rental place right? It's bad stuff for SOME people, and maybe we should consider that guns do kill people, but only insane people point them at innocent people...


As a closer, I would like to add that though some of the things I have written might sound very severe to some, I have always managed to control myself in regards to extreme situations and I do not consider myself a bigger threat than about 70% of the population. I'm a very gentle person with issues that are being intensively worked on and are for the most part held completely private. I have mixed feelings with letting you know that the only other person who knows many of these things, is my partner, that is it. And the reason for this is I have never had to explain it to anyone else, I was raised to not show I was punished, to not show it was not going well. I don't explode in public, I have severe social anxiety and feel as if I am watched when in public, I'm a little child at those moments and there is no way my rage is compatible with the little kid in me.

You might like to hear that I am actually doing sessions with a family member who is a trained medical professional as well as a devout christian, she is on pilgrimage in Poland till the end of next week, after which we will continue our talks. She's actually closely related to my mother, so this does tend to get awkward for me, but she's understand and so far, has not cursed me of being possessed! Do I do emphasize her medical expertise as that is where I would like the focus to be at.




posted on Jul, 8 2014 @ 07:04 AM
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posted on Jul, 8 2014 @ 08:27 AM
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hey, bud, decent thread you put together here. if i'm getting you clear, you're putting mk out there as a theboretical thing, and then asking, "how would it work? what kind of parallels in the lit/mythos line up with symptoms/cognitive mechanisms of actual disorders?"

i think you did a good job of explaining your own symptoms, but mighta shot high on the reader's familiarity with the MK mythos. you're mining the concept of a trauma-based "trigger" (thanks SJWs for removing all weight from the term, btw), but we need to know where it ties in with cameron and his little experiments down Queebtown way, and how it evolved in the popular consciousness into a magic mind-control technique by the late '90s.

it might not hurt to drill down more on dissosapation some more, as it looks like you're not stranger to that, and it's one of the other symptoms could be exploited for mk usage.


originally posted by: Strawberry88
I don't feel this way, I feel like I'm being targeted unintentionally, like a net of a certain size dragging through the ocean, only catching the fish the fisherman wants to catch, letting the unwanted ones slip through.


you wanna go out into the deep end on this, let's say the juju tested on individualized in the '60's got generalized. mk on the walmart scale. just hyporadically speaking, you could get real specific about the kind of nets you use and the kinds of fish you catch.

cool thread.



posted on Jul, 8 2014 @ 11:48 AM
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originally posted by: Jesuslives4u
I recommend you check yourself into a mental facility and see if medication helps.

Coming from someone with firsthand experience with the exact same thing the OP has, I can irrevocably without question say, that is some of the most dangerous advice you could possibly give to another person.

Many right here on ATS that have also had first hand experience with this will ALSO agree...

After seeing my wife's mind totally destroyed, seeing her institutionalized, and my marriage and life completely obliterated I am just one out of countless thousands who will NEVER again trust mainstream "mental healthcare"...

Yes I do realize this makes absolutely NO sense, but like the sig quote below says: everything IS upside down...

On the other hand, your recommendation about specific prayer is dead on.

ALSO speaking from first hand experience as well.


“Biological psychiatry is a total fraud.” — Fred Baughman,

“Psychiatry” has NO, and I mean ZERO medical basis whatsoever.

Psychiatry is a Total Fraud



originally posted by: seeker1963
I was a victim of being fed these toxic poison for the past five years. I quit taking them about 8 months ago. Other than my anger coming back, I feel 100% better! If I would write a book about the thoughts I had and my struggles fighting my evil impulses during my years of being a victim of Big Pharm, I would be a very wealthy man!


originally posted by: MrUncreated
... I started taking my carbamazepine, which is supposed to help with my psychosis. Instead, I am now more depressed than I ever have been, and I have very long and vivid dreams which make me remember stuff that I have long since buried deep within my brain. This has led me to feeling quite suicidal, as of late... almost to the breaking point. I'm in no condition, mentally or physically, to do anything anymore. Seriously...wtf... I think I am in hell.
Started taking medication... now I feel even more suicidal than before...


originally posted by: Trajan
Look, for everyone who is saying 'take meds' or 'see a therapist' You are all brainwashed into believing Pills make it better. They don't. Meds DO NOT help in anyway, shape or form (unless you are the manufacturer making billions a year) and here is why;

1. Pills change the chemical make up of your body and make you feel happy, sleepy, relaxed etc. But your body is still suffering from whatever is making you feel that way in the first place and then the chems are adding to that.
2. As soon as you think its safe to come off the drugs, you will crash back into depression and anxiety/paranoia.

So, basically, DO NOT take ANY kind of medication they give you. It will just screw you over in the long run. It is better to get rid of your anxiety and sh1t naturally.


originally posted by: thesmokingman
Bouncing around from med to med trying to "get happy". You know which med FINALLY worked? NO meds!! I cold turkeyed my way off of them all. Was the hardest thing I have ever done in my life! Sometime later and here I am. Free of 90% of the symptoms that once imprisoned me. It is not an easy road, but I guarantee you will be MUCH better if you get off all of the meds. My thoughts depression meds and the like is this: You know that they do more harm than good, they just mask any emotion you feel. I mean, the government surely would not allow us access to a pill that ACTUALLY made us feel good, it would be illegal.


originally posted by: liejunkie01
I have friends that Are on head meds and quite frankly I feel that they seem to make it worse.


Do these great drugs actually have any use at all, when taking into consideration all their awful side effects? The view of independent scientists (that is to say, independent of pharmaceutical industry) is quite simply: No! There isn’t one single proven case of someone who was cured of their serious depression in a trial –since this was never investigated. The evaluation of terminated and failed tests followed a pattern similar to that of the catalog for detecting depression, which you have already read about.

Questionnaires with ranking scales were implemented. These questionnaires were filled out by the doctors. The patients had to assess themselves, and that led to the result that the patients put themselves into two categories. Those who felt exactly the same after taking a placebo as they did after taking Prozac®. The other group showed a slight ad-vantage for the placebo over Prozac®. Uselessness - Well Known since 1984 The fact that almost no one felt better and also, as had actually been promised, the illness, depression, was not being treated – Eli Lilly already knew all of that in 1984. Likewise, it was also well known, that the side effects were severe, and, in some studies, they occurred in 90 percent of the test subjects.

“In fact, the average across all drugs is about 50 percent efficacy. And for the 50 percent of the patients who essentially get little or no benefit, whatever they spend is wasted money.” In view of this overt cynicism, appears downright naive to ask the question – why are these medicines then sold to the other 50 percent at all? –. To sum this up: SSRIs such as Prozac®, Fluctin® etc. are useless, expensive and, in addition to that, extremely dangerous. Lives are lost. For the patient, it is a game of Russian roulette; for the healthcare service, it is money frittered away, that is much needed elsewhere. Only the pharmaceutical industry profits from them: a turnover of billions. Every year. Useless Sledgehammers



originally posted by: Degradation33
SSRI'S, antipsychotics, and everything in between are strait BS. Been prescribed Zoloft, olanzapine, lithium, welbutrin, and a whole host of other crap that destroyed my chemicals more than they helped. Some even caused suicidal reactions at a rather alarming rate, not to mention many other negative side effects.

I will forever denounce the psychiatric med industry as the mostly wasted void of beneficial help and capitalist enterprise it is. I am most certainly advocating people to view antidepressants as poison, and will continue to do so. I may not be a drug dealer with a degree, but I know a scam when I see it.


originally posted by: Degradation33
DSM is the fraud. It is my opinion everyone exists in a spectrum of F'd up. According to the criteria for number of symptoms needed to be present I have 8 different personality disorders. It's pharmaceutical industry/incentive driven diagnoses coupled with lazy, misinformed parent all to willing to throw a pill at it. Why would a doctor lie, right?

Now there are some that really exist. Frontal cortex confabulation is real. Schizophrenia does exist, but it's faulty wiring (only numbed by medication), and symptoms more closely match dementia than any one of these "disorder of the week" illnesses.



posted on Jul, 8 2014 @ 11:54 AM
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Must watch short film for anyone that has been diagnosed with any kind of "Mental Illness".

Many believe this is the best speech about psychiatry ever written.

Professor of Psychology, Dr. Jeffrey Schaler describes psychiatry as a pseudo Science...


What do you think psychiatrists would do if Jesus were alive today? Or Buddha? Or Mohammed? Ba-da-bing! Right into a mental hospital, injected with drugs to stop their crazy beliefs and speech. Psychiatrists today are the true Grand Inquisitors. They would crucify the holy men and women of yesterday in an instant. Transcript for Video

The "Quiet Weapons" says "inoculation of behavioral drugs" can speed a child's transition from the soon-to-be extinct family unit to "state-controlled public education and state-operated child-care centers."

According to Huxley, the goal is to produce "a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away ... but ... will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing ... enhanced by pharmacological methods."

Among these pharmaceuticals we now can recognize Ritalin, Prozac and Viagra, which healthy men commonly use for performance. Doctors are elite drug dealers designated to addict, distract and sedate society.

The "Quiet War" Against Humanity

“Biological psychiatry is a total fraud.” — Fred Baughman,

quoted by Dr. Timothy Scott, America Fooled: The Truth about Antidepressants, Antipsychotics and How We’ve Been Deceived

Psychiatry is a Total Fraud

Not only is psychology without merit, but psychiatry defrauds the public as well. Medical psychiatrists have been trying for years to validate their biochemical theory of mental illness, but “after decades of research that has yielded not a single definitive biological marker connecting brain dysfunction to mental disorders,” we are letting doctors evaluate and treat us as if such diseases exist.

To put it more loosely, making a diagnosis of mental illness is “a near mindless act where you can speculate whatever you want and never be ‘wrong’ (if any new or unrelated symptoms emerge just add another diagnosis).”

In fact, there is not a single scientific study that shows prescription psychotropic drug users suffer from an objective, confirmable abnormality of the brain.

Psychology and Psychiatry: Rotten to the Core

Dr. Niall McLaren, an Australian practicing psychiatrist for 22 years, explains what is wrong with the psychiatric profession: That it cannot/will not take criticism, for fear the entire model of biological psychiatry will unravel. That there is no science to psychiatric diagnoses, no brain based diseases. And that psychiatry only pushes mental disorders as biological disease in order to convince people to take psychiatric drugs, causing a host of dangerous side effects.

What's Wrong with Psychiatry?

“There are no objective tests in psychiatry-no X-ray, laboratory, or exam finding that says definitively that someone does or does not have a mental disorder.”
— Allen Frances, Former DSM-IV Task Force Chairman

Source

“…modern psychiatry has yet to convincingly prove the genetic/biologic cause of any single mental illness…Patients [have] been diagnosed with ‘chemical imbalances’ despite the fact that no test exists to support such a claim, and…there is no real conception of what a correct chemical balance would look like.” — Dr. David Kaiser, psychiatrist

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“All psychiatrists have in common that when they are caught on camera or on microphone, they cower and admit that there are no such things as chemical imbalances/diseases, or examinations or tests for them. What they do in practice, lying in every instance, abrogating [revoking] the informed consent right of every patient and poisoning them in the name of ‘treatment’ is nothing short of criminal.” — Dr Fred Baughman Jr., Pediatric Neurologist

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“Psychiatry makes unproven claims that depression, bipolar illness, anxiety, alcoholism and a host of other disorders are in fact primarily biologic and probably genetic in origin…This kind of faith in science and progress is staggering, not to mention naïve and perhaps delusional.”

— Dr. David Kaiser, psychiatrist

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“In short, the whole business of creating psychiatric categories of ‘disease,’ formalizing them with consensus, and subsequently ascribing diagnostic codes to them, which in turn leads to their use for insurance billing, is nothing but an extended racket furnishing psychiatry a pseudo-scientific aura. The perpetrators are, of course, feeding at the public trough.”
— Dr. Thomas Dorman, internist and member of the Royal College of Physicians of the UK

Source



edit on 8-7-2014 by Murgatroid because: I felt like it..



posted on Jul, 8 2014 @ 04:01 PM
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You've given great factual and anecdotal information here. But I also think it's got to be a case by case thing….
Meaning, sometimes it can get so bad for some, there seems to be nothing left but to try meds. However, I think it's extremely important for people to be aware of absolutely all the information you have supplied here, in order to attempt to protect oneself while searching for "help."

I wrote a thread last night about interdiction,for instance. I thought it important that people understand what can happen to them legally. Often, those who seem to display the best intentions towards us may, in fact, have quite the opposite. Much of life seems to be about control. People seek it to amass power. Interdicting someone is taking all their control over their own life away from them. It also can have the affect of turning someone into a slave and a perpetual victim, as the interdicted experiences a loss of rights to a profound degree. Someone on that thread immediately pointed out psy-ops and what three letter agencies are capable of. Of course, the subject of the thread was very much about this psy-op endeavor. That's the whole point….it's why it's called psychological operation..
Tetra

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posted on Jul, 8 2014 @ 04:22 PM
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Strawberry:

Yes, I think it obvious by now, that MKU turned into a global programming effort quite a long time ago. As for "programming," most devices of communication and entertainment are inherently programming. This is called advertising in this country…lol.

In this way, though, seriously, it seems everything then becomes bought and sold commodities with price tags attached, even, perhaps, our consciousness, minds, thoughts, and identities. What's instructive to understand about that, though, as another poster already pointed out, much of what is in your mind, may not be a product of your mind at all……

Though you say you don't think yourself to be a direct victim of mind control programming, I would point out to you that your family story isn't rare. What is important about that is to see that if one generation of folks fell victim to intentional programming, then the way our human hierarchical family is set up, is to continue much of the same cycle. This, in and of itself, then, becomes the "programming," that is foisted upon each child born into the same cycle.

I've found your shared ideas, metaphors, here, to be wonderful. And yes, I also agree that spiritual experiences are often very close to psychotic episodes. Perhaps, it helps to share our experiences and read that others have had many of the same, to keep us grounded, so to speak.

As I said in another post, I think it most important to figure out how to proceed. Yes, read the lyrics of Hotel California. You asked what it is. Reading the lyrics, I think you'll find you recognize the place quite well. It seems a description of hell, looking pretty and fun and great, but all the same, a trap….

I used to think this was all designed to destroy the human race, and get the human race to do this to itself, and to destroy its humanity……
Perhaps it is. But let's look at it another way, for a moment. Maybe it is the stress applied to make sure only the strongest and best intentioned survive, even though it appears to be the opposite, in fact. This is, after all, the way karma is supposed to function, is it not? I've almost had to arrive at this conclusion, in order to survive my own life.
Best of luck to you in yours…
Tet



posted on Jul, 8 2014 @ 09:15 PM
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That's why I'm sharing these Buddhist ideas, where you start with the idea that you thoughts are not your own, but independent entities wandering from mind to mind. That gives us sort of a birds eye view of what we are thinking about, and we can sit back and watch that process, and learn.

Hi Tridentblue,

This is very interesting. Could you explain more or point me in the direction of where to read more about this concept? I am not a stranger to Buddhist beliefs, but have not heard of this idea of the thoughts actually wandering from mind to mind. Do you mean, as if they have their own agenda and can actually navigate to minds they have not been to yet? Self directed thoughts, independent from mind?

I am quite familiar with watching thoughts arise and subside, but not this concept of wandering thoughts, in the manner the wandering is described above.

Thanks!
Gwynn



posted on Jul, 8 2014 @ 10:25 PM
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originally posted by: tetra50 As for "programming," most devices of communication and entertainment are inherently programming. This is called advertising in this country…lol.



yep. the stories on t.v. tell you HOW to want, so you're nice and ripe when the ads come on and tell you WHAT to want.



posted on Jul, 9 2014 @ 08:44 AM
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the science is getting really close on how to manipulate things in people brains and the bad people can use this things to make what they want to make...today i found this article and i think someone should make a topic about that...www.extremetech.com...






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