Chicago crime overnight report: 67 shot over long weekend, man charged in shooting of 5-year-old

a reply to: NavyDoc

You honestly think those people doing the murders even qualify for legal concealed carry much less actually have a permit?

The idea that everyone who shoots someone is a hardened criminal without a gun license is just ridiculous.

a reply to: Black_Fox

I didn't read all the pages so my bad if this has been posted.

The number of shooting was increased upwards to 84.

An incident also occurred over the weekend in Chicago where we saw the use of a CCW incident. Some people came out of a friends house who was having a party to return home. When they got to their car, a beer bottle was on top of it. One of the people in the group yelled to the next door neighbor, who was also having a party, asking if whoever owned the bottle would remove it.

Some 22 year old moron started yelling at them, went into the house and came out with a gun and start cranking off rounds at the group wanting to leave. A vet in the group, who had a ccw, drew and returned fire twice, both hitting the target. The kid went to the hospital where he will survive, however he is being charged with attempted murder.

Gun control laws do not work - Chicago, who had the toughest laws in the nation on gun possession, is consistently near the top for their use, and off the scale over holidays.

Had the person not had a CCW then he and his group of friends would most sure be dead.


Wake up Chicago.. Your brand of socialism does not work.

originally posted by: PhoenixOD
a reply to: NavyDoc

You honestly think those people doing the murders even qualify for legal concealed carry much less actually have a permit?

The idea that everyone who shoots someone is a hardened criminal without a gun license is just ridiculous.

And the idea that the Chicago government / Police can defend and protect individuals from criminal gun use and that civilians don't need to worry is ridiculous.


The first person at any crime scene is the suspect.
The second person is the victim.
The third is emergency services - who must wait until the scene is secured by law enforcement before entering the area (Applies to Fire / EMS).
The 4th is Law Enforcement.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Of course it. No police force protects against people getting shot. They only enforce laws ,respond to and investigates incidents . There is rarely a full on shootout with the police.

It is a culture created in America and perpetuated by America. It will last as long as any other idea or culture that still remains today and as long as the system continues to support it.

originally posted by: PhoenixOD
a reply to: NavyDoc

You honestly think those people doing the murders even qualify for legal concealed carry much less actually have a permit?

The idea that everyone who shoots someone is a hardened criminal without a gun license is just ridiculous.

No it isn't. The rate of shootings involving licensed carriers is minuscule compared to the general population and since Chicago has issued few permits under the new state law yet, the number of shootings by legal CCW there would be zero.

a reply to: NavyDoc

The rate of shootings involving licensed carriers is minuscule compared to the general population

Why compare it to the general of population? What does that mean anyway? Your comparing a number to a group of people, shouldn't you compare a number to another number to make a point?

originally posted by: PhoenixOD
a reply to: NavyDoc

The rate of shootings involving licensed carriers is minuscule compared to the general population

Why compare it to the general of population? What does that mean anyway? Your comparing a number to a group of people, shouldn't you compare a number to another number to make a point?

The point is an obvious one, those who qualify for a CCW permit and go through the process to get their license, are not those type of people who engage in criminal activity thus they don't commit crimes with their licensed carry pistols.

Criminals--those who commit crimes--cannot qualify for a permit and carry their illegal weapons without one.

The Texas Department of Public Safety published a list of crimes committed in Texas in 2011 by everyone convicted and by those convicted who also held CCL's. The bottom line: Concealed carry permit holders commit less than 1% of the crimes. If you want to be exact, they committed two tenths of one percent of the crimes in 2011. And not all of those involved firearms or violence.

The data show that 63,679 people were convicted of a long list of crimes. Of those 63 thousand, only 120 were CCL holders.

Ironically, if you drill down into the data it shows that the most frequently committed crime by CCL holders were domestic violence related crimes. And in North Carolina those people are not eligible to possess a gun, much less carry one concealed in public.

The conclusion one must arrive at from all this is that there are no rational reasons to restrict lawful holders of concealed carry permits. They simply do not abuse the right to carry a concealed weapon.

www.beaufortobserver.net... ders-commit-less-than-1-of-the-crimes.html

And this is but one article found with a simple google search. It makes sense logically--that those prone to criminality cannot qualify for a license, thus those who do are much less likely to do so.

a reply to: Black_Fox

But................they have such strict gun laws.

How is this even happening?

Maybe they need some more "Gun free" zones.

a reply to: Willtell

Honestly, every post you push forward is basically blaming everyone else for the plight of the Non-white people.

That is about the most tired Sharpton driven excuse given.

Follow Denvers lead and break the cycle of self-destruction Americas rich have forced uopn you,the ball is rolling now,the longer you wait the more damage you will see,Gangs are bleeding fiscally now and things will escalte in States that still accept the constellation of crooked politicians and civic leaders that come along with MJ criminalisation.

If you want to change your City then change your State.... DO IT.... you know how, Colorado has shown you ho to do it,there are no excuses now.

If you want it you got it,its that simple,and if you dont want the violence and death,then make the same changes Colorado and other States have made,take the money out of the hands of the criminals and crooked politicians and leaders,get with the program or no one will care what happens where you live.

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: beezzer

Gang members don’t legally carry guns. Also a lot of these people don’t even believe in the death penalty for murderers.

Maybe 20 years in jail for what you suggest.

Nope. You use a gun in a crime, *boom*, dead man.

Period.

Want to stop gun crime or do you want to hold hands and pick flowers?

I don't think that would stop it. Look at countries like China who execute some of their criminals by shooting them in the head. People in China still commit crimes knowing the consequences. But I'm all for hanging criminals on the courthouse lawn in public view for hard crimes. It may curb crime, but it won't stop it, but at least we don't have to pay to house and feed these useless trash. I'm not sure that there is an answer for what is happening in black communities. It needs to be talked about, though. Raum should put together a team and study it and try and determine wtf is going on. Every city that has high rate of shootings/murders should have someone trying to determine why, instead of the ol' excuse: "it's poverty!! It's gangs! It was thugs". Everyone I know carries a gun but 82 people have never been shot. No drive-bys(that I know of), no glorifying murder. This sounds like a culture problem to me.

Multiculturalism strikes again. The alternative culture that exists in Chicago mirrors very closely many other failed cultures in the third world. By not condemning their culture as wrong and successful Americas culture as right we are embracing the failed multiculturalist experiment right here at home.

Chicago has a problem, I hear the bleeding hearts are blaming the lack of industrial jobs. That's right, it's other people's fault, it always is.

a reply to: solomons path

So, again . . . the real question is why are you under the impression that gun violence is at an all time high?

Whether it is or isn't at an all time high should not be the main concern. This scale of violence taking place on a consistent basis in a first world nation should be the concern.

Ask yourself: How many people died in Ukraine during those same exact past days?

When looked at from this perspective; one can clearly see how messed up America is. At least the violence has declined, as you have pointed out, so I guess that makes this appalling number of violent acts ok then?

What other first world nation (G20 nations) kills each other at a rate America does on a daily basis on their own soil? This is one of many questions the rest of the world are asking about the culture and mindset of the most powerful nation (military wise) on the planet.

Unbelievable....

a reply to: hammanderr

Multiculturalism strikes again. The alternative culture that exists in Chicago mirrors very closely many other failed cultures in the third world. By not condemning their culture as wrong and successful Americas culture as right we are embracing the failed multiculturalist experiment right here at home.

I live in Toronto, thee most multicultural diverse city on the entire planet, and we collectively are a very peaceful city despite the population of 7 million , including the immediate surrounding GTA (Greater Toronto Area). We had about 13 murders last year in total. That number includes stabbing; shooting; trauma; and unknown.

So, it must be an American problem; not a multicultural problem...

www.cbc.ca...

Chicago has a problem, I hear the bleeding hearts are blaming the lack of industrial jobs. That's right, it's other people's fault, it always is.

Your words have become ironic considering you blamed multiculturalism for the violence when that clearly is not the case. It is an American problem.

The very fact that this has gone on for years places the blame on the people of Chicago, the law makers and police. When no one will do anything to change it, it doesn't change. People are getting what they have made.

a reply to: macman

Is it true that non white people have had a history of oppression in America?

Yes, I would say.

It doesn’t offer an excuse for criminals since I advocate extreme penalties

I just inform of the social and psychological etiology of the criminal element.

Do you believe non white people are prone to crime because of their race? I don't

In the 30's it was poor Italians who were tearing up Chicago, WHITE ITALIANS. These Italians were poor and oppressed as well.

All I am explaining are the socioeconomic reasons for the crime it isn’t an excuse

People like you have your head in the sand and pretend certain historical realities never happened or have no impact on today’s world

It’s called cause and effect

a reply to: hammanderr

Chicago is American culture. These people were born and raised in America.

Their socio-economic history is an American history
This is American culture

In the 30’s it was Italians and Irish Gangsters. They were not even considered White people…can you believe that.

a reply to: Willtell

You're 100% right, my bad. They actually represent the best of us and we should be so proud. I apologize.

With diligence and hard work they can beat that number too, I think they've got a 100+ shootings in a weekend in them. If only the rest of us could live up to the high standards they've set.

We really are at fault for not providing these people with high paying jobs. Right on bro.

Chief Keef for Mayor!

a reply to: hammanderr

I don’t think all of the people in the ghettoes of Chicago are all bad.

The people there, particularly young people who have responsible parents, are victims too.

I don’t think all of them are gang members.