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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: ObjectZero
I think the error in your logic is somewhere in the words "save money and resources"..
Are you talking about the US gov't?? The one with the printing press on overdrive printing nice new crisp dollar bills 24/7???
Are you in the same universe as me???
originally posted by: 727Sky
originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: nighthawk1954
So the feds are bringing in riot squads to protect the illegal aliens against the people who are legally and constitutionally protesting?
The Founding Fathers are weeping.
You know if some shadow government was pulling the strings to destabilize America they really are doing a bang up job. I worry about the reaction that will come from the people as this progresses. Forgetting the problem at hand and looking at a few scenarios that would include really really bad guys getting through our borders because the agents are doing crowd control and not enforcing the laws already on the books.
The following link to the Minerva institute is a big player with their studies on how to destabilize a society.
What is Minerva?
Just as our military forces could not effectively operate without understanding the physical terrain and environment, detection of radical actors and regime disruptions is limited by our understanding of the cultural and political environments where those threats develop. The Minerva Research Initiative, initiated by former Secretary Gates in 2008, seeks to build deeper understanding of the social, cultural, and political dynamics that shape regions of strategic interest around the world.
Deeper understanding of global populations and their variance as provided by Minerva-funded research will yield more effective strategic and operational policy decisions. Minerva scholars have already briefed valuable, warfighter-relevant insights to senior officials such as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, decision makers in the defense policy community, and on the ground to our combatant commands.
As the nascent program continues to grow, university-driven Minerva research will further enable critical social and cultural understanding to help decision makers effectively address today's known and tomorrow's unknown challenges
One of the things they do is plan for action reaction.. I stick my finger in your eye and you first reaction will be ... the second reaction will be... only on a much bigger scale.
Back on January 29th, 2014 Ground zero reported that a nonspecific manufactured action by the government would trigger social unrest and a tension filled environment where many applications of police state activity would be imposed and used in the United States.
Battlefield scenarios were already laid out and destabilization processes were being tested outside of the United States. Many of these destabilization exercises could be seen as attempted Coups either in Europe or eventually in the United States to disrupt the ability for government to continue business as usual. These coups would be used to bring down various governments in order to have waiting in the wings another shadow government or a government that would guarantee continuity if there was a decapitation exercise.
Back in January Ground Zero sent out the warning that FEMA was Seeking Contractors Who Can Supply Biohazard Disposal Facilities, Tarps and Housing Units With 24-48 Hours Notice. On January 10th, 2014, the Federal Emergency Management Agency issued a request for “contractors who can supply medical biohazard disposal capabilities and 40 yard dumpsters to 1,000 tent hospitals across the United States; all required on 24-48 hour notice.
FEMA also requested 31,000,000 doses of pediatric flu vaccine from the Centers for Disease Control. FEMA also put out solicitation requests for 100,000 winter shirts and pants. The request was also made for delivery by summer. Ten percent of the order was meant for children.
They also requested prefab housing units to be on the ready to be built and set up within 24 -48 hours. They have also requested information on air, land and rail transport capabilities in several regions across the United States. They have also put in requests for Nutritional short shelf life meals.
The United States has been actively sabotaging and destabilizing governments in hopes that they can manufacture dissent abroad. The purpose of course is to offer them a stake in the New World order. Could there be a shadow government destabilizing our borders in order to destroy municipal infrastructure and bring down the United States?
The goal of the shadow government is to have us go against our principles and become a criminal state or a despotic state. This would once again be impetus to the police state and to strategic shadow government operatives to move in and make plans to take control of what appears to be an out of control situation.
Maybe just a lucky guess: There have been many voices saying something big would happen.. Is this the big one (?) I will reserve judgment and see how it all plays out. If crime goes out of sight and more assets are directed to a police state then some will say it was all a grand plan....they might be right. Chicago's murder rate over the 4th of July weekend will be blamed on gangs and guns which is true yet the underlying cartel influence will never be mentioned if history is repeated, IMO.
Immigrants taken from Texas to be processed in California and the resulting protest could just be the beginning... or just a short flash point that will die out in no time.
Farmers in Texas being told to turn a blind eye to people illegally entering the country.. The feds suing Arizona for trying to enforce the laws about illegal immigration along with many other things should make one wonder. . Signs on hI-ways warning drivers of the possible dangers of stopping because of undocumented southern border crossings by people who do not have your best interest at heart. America land of laws... Laws for you and I because we can be fined and pay into the legal system. Select enforcement sucks unless you are on the inside no ?
Breaking down of governmental civil service is always an easy first step to create mayhem. Our government civil services barely work in a timely manner in good times much less when stressed.... Most Americans do not know how messed up the government is because all they do is work, pay their taxes and try to take care of their own stuff. The Veteran's Admin is but one small sample of what the tax payers get for their money.
originally posted by: pirhanna
I'm thinking this very well may be a designed flash point. The illegal immigrants aren't the end game here - they are being used as a pawn to further some other agenda. The true agenda is probably three steps removed from this, whatever it is, being gun confiscation, militarization of domestic territory or incremental destruction of the bill of rights.
Once people start paying attention to this, they will run it in the media to death as a left right issue. First, obfuscate, then distract. This isn't really about left/right. This is the product of many years of manipulation by the entire control apparatus.
originally posted by: OpinionatedB
...I really want this president impeached. I have wanted it so bad I can taste it....
The sad fact is, our elected officials won't do it, because they are no longer on our team. They are playing on a whole other team that doesn't give a # what Americans want.
So what happens when, to get anything accomplished that is for the people of America, you need to fire every single official in office and replace him?
originally posted by: Dutchowl
a reply to: Xcathdra>>. Last nite Radio Ground Zero, a radio program out of Portland Oregon devoted an entire show to this. Clyde Lewis is the host and he absolutely nailed it and dug up a whole list of interesting info about this. One, this has been pre planned for some time. Two, its been organized and orchestrated by our own government. And its not being done to throw elections by giving one party extra votes, its not being done to weaken the middle class or to bring down wages, or to overburden local communities resources. Its being done to tear down the country and to use the violence and chaos this is going to bring to do it. The country collapse and we'll call out for more feds and more restrictions to control the mayhem. So goodbye rights and the private possession of firearms.
They need to do a Cliven Bundy, isolate the feds involved down there and just make them pack up and leave and then have the citizens take over the situation and work out a peaceful resolution( with illegals being forced to return across the border).
originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: neo96
They aren't stopping them from protesting, they just won't let them block the street.
And you can't pick and choose what you want to like in the constitution. The bill of rights covers all men. Not just people that were lucky enough to be born on in the US