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Perry: Obama either 'inept' or doesn't care about border.

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posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 02:59 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: BritofTexas




What has he been doing all that time apart from shopping for spectacles?


What can he do when the DOJ sues anyone who tries to secure their boders, and ENFORCE immigration LAWS ?


Try the truth. The immigration laws that the government sued against were purely racist. The people that backed those laws would have backed the Nazis.




posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 03:01 PM
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originally posted by: motthoople
What's the big deal about letting hundreds of thousands of un-evolved ethnic minorities into the Country? It worked so well with the Africans.


Anyone who holds stereotypical racist views this day and age, should be banned from ATS, go take your sludge and sling it somewhere else, not ATS.



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 03:03 PM
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a reply to: buster2010




Try the truth. The immigration laws that the government sued against were purely racist. The people that backed those laws would have backed the Nazis


Whaaaaaaat ?

Purely 'racist' you say ?

Like these 'racist' laws ?

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 03:06 PM
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Why doesn't Perry get off his lazy ass and do the job himself. Governors have the right to use that states National Guard to guard their borders. But no he wants all of America to foot the bill.



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 03:11 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: buster2010




Try the truth. The immigration laws that the government sued against were purely racist. The people that backed those laws would have backed the Nazis


Whaaaaaaat ?

Purely 'racist' you say ?

Like these 'racist' laws ?

en.wikipedia.org...

No the law that they sued against gave the cops the ability to stop a person and demand their ID just because they looked like they were a Mexican. You cannot do that in America. Btw why were you talking about state laws but then link federal laws?



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 03:16 PM
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a reply to: buster2010

Intentionally being obtuse there ?

Immigration laws by their nature are 'racist'.

Racists laws we have had for a century +.



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 03:37 PM
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It's not about votes. It's about bankrupting the system so they can put the new system in place. Who needs votes when you have executive privilege and the nation is in a state of collapse? These people are not just being simply detained by ICE as some of you are implying. And the tens of thousands that have arrived this year are only the ones they caught. So if they are only catching the women and children that make such great headlines.....who are the ones they arent catching? Oh that's right...the men. Does some guy living under the bridge get a break because he goes in the grocery store and steals a sandwich? What about a hungry child? No. They get pushed through the system that grinds them up even further and spits them back out into society.

There are a bunch of other things wrong with this country that anyone can throw into the mix to try and complicate the discussion. We cant afford to take care of these people. The people who think we can need to do it out of their personal bank accounts. Regular Americans cant find jobs. What option do these people have here that don't take away from the rest of us? Welfare or taking a job one of us could have had. We're 18 trillion dollars in debt. Parties over. Mofos aint gotta go home but they gotta get the # outta here. Thats basically where we are at.



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 03:39 PM
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a reply to: buster2010

The national guard is at the command of the president now. They have been....coopted i guess might be a good word. They are now under the department of defense. Obama just took their Apache helicopters away recently.



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 04:31 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: buster2010

Intentionally being obtuse there ?

Immigration laws by their nature are 'racist'.

Racists laws we have had for a century +.


How the hell is all immigration law inherently racist? It's only racist when there is racist intent. The current immigration laws don't date back a century either. Various acts and amendments to these acts have been passed in just about every decade since the Page Act of 1875 when the "Yellow Peril" xenophobic hysteria led to closing the doors to Asians. Then in the 1920's there was a panic over immigration from Eastern and Southern European countries leading to the Immigration Act of 1924.

The same BS fear mongering is always used:

"they won't assimilate!"
"they're a bunch of criminals!"
"they're all disease ridden!"
"they're taking our jobs!"

Identical arguments used over and over and proven wrong by history yet each generation manages to have the same stupid "debate." It's a point of fact that many of these laws were championed by eugenicists who believed we should carefully administer quotas based on ethnicity and socioeconomic standing.

Funny how the historically demonized immigrant groups never destroyed America. Here's some historical anti-immigrant cartoons to illustrate my point about irrational fear mongering.
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posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 04:41 PM
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How the hell is all immigration law inherently racist?


I see someone didn't bother reading the supplied link

Take a look at the Page Act of 1875

The Chinese Exclusion Act.

The Emergency quota Act of 1921

The immigration Act of 1924

To name few.

And yeah dating back a a century.



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 04:46 PM
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originally posted by: buster2010
Why doesn't Perry get off his lazy ass and do the job himself. Governors have the right to use that states National Guard to guard their borders. But no he wants all of America to foot the bill.


At least Perry is doing something. He has authorized $1.8 million PER WEEK to allow the Texas Dept. of Public Safety to supplement and work with the Border Patrol. This includes DPS officers and Texas Rangers taken away from their duties across the state, and being deployed to border areas and elsewhere as needed to assist the already overwhelmed Border Patrol, and ICE who Mr. Obama will not allow to enforce the current immigration laws.

What was it again that this administration has done, besides flying and busing these illegal immigrants all over the country? Oh wait, I have the answer to that one. He is refusing to enforce the laws on the books, in favor of whining the Republican's won't let me have my way and get immigration reform.

Mr. President, stand up and show you are serious about immigration reform, by CLOSING OUR BORDERS!!!!!!
This will in effect, show the House you have done your part, however little it may be, and maybe we can move beyond this to other pressing matters. It's called compromise. Obviously not part of your vocabulary, Mr. President.

And Buster, that $1.8 million affects me and all other Texan's. Would be nice for the US government to pony up their fair share, or at least do something. Looks like Rick Perry is up off his lazy ass, so what are you and Obama still doing sitting on the couch playing video games?



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 04:49 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

I beg of you to name another time in history when we were 18 trillion dollars in debt and immigrants were flooding into our country illegally by the hundreds on a daily basis. Americans died of starvation during the great depression, immigrants as well. To say there has never been any adverse effects of immigration is deceptive at best.
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posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 05:05 PM
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Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R) on Sunday said ...

America doesn't care about your opinion Rick. That's why you're still stuck in Texas and not in the White House.





///This forum has gone -11- days without a Hillary thread.///



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 05:08 PM
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I see so many people saying what should be done and citing something saying that we HAVE to take the illegals in. Thats half of the truth. Yes we are required to take CHILDREN in AND THEN RETURN THEM TO THEIR PARENTS OR NATION OF ORIGIN AFTERWARDS.

We return them all and drop them off at orphanages in their home countries. You tell them you are doing this without their permission because they illegally sent them to the US in the first place. I do nto think they will fire on transposrts carrying children back to their home countries unless they want worldwide condemnation.



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 05:27 PM
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originally posted by: abe froman
That's right!!! Obama has not forced anyone into camps.
They are just built and ready to go.
...and staffed.
...and have people in them.


any actual evidence, or is this an argumentum ex culo?



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 07:21 PM
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a reply to: retiredTxn



And Buster, that $1.8 million affects me and all other Texan's. Would be nice for the US government to pony up their fair share, or at least do something. Looks like Rick Perry is up off his lazy ass, so what are you and Obama still doing sitting on the couch playing video games?

I don't play video games on a kiddie console I play them on my pc at my desk tyvm. Why should the tax payers that don't live in Texas have to pay a dime? It seems like every time Texas doesn't get their way they cry we are going to secede from the union. Just look at this as a little taste of how it would be like if you were on your own.



Mr. President, stand up and show you are serious about immigration reform, by CLOSING OUR BORDERS!!!!!!

And how will he do this? Did you forget that our military is off chasing terrorist in other parts of the world? Build a fence? That hardly slows them down. So tell me how would you shut down 1,969 miles of border?



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 07:53 PM
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a reply to: buster2010

Those 28,000 troops in South Korea would be a start. We aren't lacking manpower, unless of course all the other countries we are invading are more important than ours being invaded. We have drones. We have sanctions. The Mexican government is commiting an act of war by allowing random individuals to filter through their country into ours unchecked. If 300,000 Americans and Canadians flooded into Mexico looking for handouts and a better life I'm sure it would not be viewed in the same light.

If I break the laws of this country I run the risk of being beaten, tasered, maced, and possibly killed. They should suffer the same penalties as anyone else. They can respect the border, respect our immigration system, respect the people who pay the bills, or go live somewhere else. There is a whole wide world. We dont have to be the compassionate ones. Last time I checked they fly drones out of Nevada. We can use those to fill the gaps. We can catch them, turn them around and march them right back the way they came. If you want to be humane we can give them sack lunches and bottles of water. 300k illegal immigrants is a small city. They have imported a small city of illegal immigrants in just a few months. Not alright.

eta ... Its the federal governments job to secure our outermost borders. Always has been. The federal government handles our relations with other nations....borders would fall under that category.
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posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 08:22 PM
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a reply to: rustyclutch

The best part of this is that you blame Mexico. It's like a glimpse into the mouth of madness.

Congress could just do it's job rather than pointing the finger at the president. You know...that Democratic bill adding 50,000 border patrol agents and a couple hundred drones. That's the 'amnesty' bill though, so the house won't even look at it.



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 08:27 PM
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I say he's both...

Why can't he be both?



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 09:51 PM
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a reply to: neo96

The primary desire to close off borders is mostly motivated by greed. The Mexicans are going to take our American jobs! Well, they are not your jobs. They are jobs for the person who is going to give the employer the best deal. The "bad" news is that most jobs can be exported to Mexico. Yeah, that guy in Mexico can take a job from Detroit or Chicago from his Mexico City residence. The business man moves production to Mexico. So, the biggest effect is that everything costs more and the economy is more sluggish.

The more open the borders are, the better off the economy is for the middle class as a whole. Certain jobs get lower pay while others get more demand and therefore higher pay. Since the flood of Mexicans are lower skill workers, it means they are going to provide high-skill occupations with more demand and therefore more money.

If closed borders are a good idea, then why not close off borders between US states? Why let Californians "steal" Texan's jobs? If closed borders are good, then close off the borders around San Antonio. Why let Houston residents steal San Antonian's jobs? You could get down to the village level. Why let south-side residents steal north-side jobs? Closed borders are bad. Open borders are good. While some people lose jobs, other people gain jobs, and the net effect is very much positive in every case.

When supply and demand, rather than politics, is the prevailing factor in an economy, nearly everyone wins. Yes there is the factory working losing a job but its more than made up for in other ways. Higher demand for high-skill jobs. Lower logistics cost since items are made in the USA at minimum wage instead of being imported from Mexico at $1/day wages. Lower cost of customs controls. Less black market activity. And the list goes on.



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