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posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 12:53 PM
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Any human being on earth who advocates violence is not a follower of God. They use religion as an excuse to exercise their lowest nature.
Christians will tell you they want love and world peace more than anything, yet use their 'religion' to justify war, prejudice, hate, and all the evil they profess to be against.
I am not familiar enough with other religions to determine if the majority act the same way, but it certainly appears so.
Jesus came to 'fulfill' the law, and he taught peace and love. I don't see very many people trying to follow his example.




posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 12:56 PM
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originally posted by: LightningStrikesHere
always posting from bias sites

Knock off the lies. It's the Tribune attached to the New York Times.

Why dont you ever post anything from Islamic sites?

Because they are BIASED.


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posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 12:59 PM
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originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
And Judaism allows any crime under the sun so long it is not to another Jew.

Wanna' prove that?

Only Jews have rights in Judaism so how is it any better than Islam.

I didn't say Jews are better with rights. But since you bring it up ... yes they are. Jewish women are allowed to leave the home without escort; allowed to drive to a doctors office by herself; there are no honor killings; Jews can leave the religion without being stoned to death for so called apostasy; etc etc ...




Here you go spouting off the same old hog wash !

Your like a broken record.


I would like to know what the ruling on Honor killings would be and how it should be punished acording to the Laws of the Shariat.
Praise be to Allaah.
Killing a Muslim unlawfully is a serious matter and a grave crime. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): 

“And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell to abide therein; and the Wrath and the Curse of Allaah are upon him, and a great punishment is prepared for him”

[al-Nisa’ 4:93] 

al-Bukhaari (6355) narrated from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The believer will continue to be encompassed by the mercy of Allaah so long as he does not shed blood that it is forbidden to shed.” 


Everything you bing to ATS about Islam , are the ideals and actions of Extremist .
Who misunderstand scripture and text . MUCH LIKE YOU DO!
we call them khuawarij!


From their essentially political position, the Kharijites developed extreme doctrines that further set them apart from both mainstream Sunni and Shiʿa Muslims. The Kharijites were particularly noted for adopting a radical approach to Takfir, whereby they declared other Muslims to be unbelievers and therefore deemed them worthy of death



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 01:06 PM
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originally posted by: LightningStrikesHere
Here you go spouting off the same old hog wash !

that would be you.
Stick to the topic please.

You can post all the propaganda from pro-islamic sources that you wish. But it doesn't make what they say true. The FACT is that Jewish women can leave Judaism anytime they wish. Not all Muslim women can say that. The fact is that Jewish women can get an education. Not all Muslim women can say that. The fact is that Jewish women can leave their homes without male family escort. Not all Muslim women can say that. The fact is that Jewish women can drive their own cars to their own doctor appointments. Not all Muslim women can say that.

That's the truth. Deal with it.



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posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 01:09 PM
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originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: LightningStrikesHere
always posting from bias sites

Knock off the lies. It's the Tribune attached to the New York Times.

Why dont you ever post anything from Islamic sites?

Because they are BIASED.




No lies here from me at least ..

However you can find your lies right www.abovetopsecret.com... there
Starting at page 8 and on you use links to bias and anti Islam sites ..

And your favorite site to use answering Islam .org..

A site that who's information has been refuted many times fold..

You can keep lying to your self , but not to me



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 01:13 PM
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originally posted by: LightningStrikesHere
you use links to bias ... However you can find your lies right www.abovetopsecret.com... there

Hey genius ... That's HUFFINGTON POST ...


How about you actually address the TOPIC for a change and refrain from discussing the posters? The topic is JEWISH EXTREMISM. Do you have anything even remotely constructive to add to the TOPIC DISCUSSION - JEWISH EXTREMISM.



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 01:21 PM
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ENOUGH ALREADY!

Stick to the topic at hand and refrain from making snide remarks to one another.

Consider this fair warning or posting privileges will be suspended.



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 01:23 PM
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originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: LightningStrikesHere
Here you go spouting off the same old hog wash !

that would be you.

Your like a broken record.

Yes, I'm always speaking the truth to counter your absurd propaganda.

You can post all the propaganda from pro-islamic sources that you wish. But it doesn't make what they say true. The FACT is that Jewish women can leave Judaism anytime they wish. Not all Muslim women can say that. The fact is that Jewish women can get an education. Not all Muslim women can say that. The fact is that Jewish women can leave their homes without male family escort. Not all Muslim women can say that. The fact is that Jewish women can drive their own cars to their own doctor appointments. Not all Muslim women can say that.

That's the truth. Deal with it.





What your describing is not Islam but cutural issues and its sad really.
Other countries have differing ways of life

Woman have equal rights in Islam .



Women's Rights in Islam

The issue of women in Islam, is topic of great misunderstanding and distortion due partly to a lack of understanding, but also partly due to misbehavior of some Muslims which has been taken to represent the teachings of Islam. We speak here about what Islam teaches, and that is that standard according to which Muslims are to be judged. As such, my basis and source is the Quran--the words of Allah, and the sayings of the Prophet, his deeds and his confirmation. Islamic laws are derived from these sources. To facilitate our discussion we can discuss the position of women from a spiritual, economic, social, and political standpoint.

From the spiritual aspect, there are seven points to remember:

According to the Quran, men and women have the same spirit, there is no superiority in the spiritual sense between men and women. [Noble Quran 4:1, 7:189, 42:11]

The Quran makes it clear that all human beings (and the phraseology doesn't apply to men or women alone, but to both) have what you might call a human; He

"breathed some of My spirit into divine touch. When God created him"(or her in this sense). [Noble Quran 15:29 See also 32:9]

Some of His spirit here means not in the incarnational sense, but the pure, innate spiritual nature that God has endowed her or him with.

The Quran indicates again that one of the most honored positions of human, is that God created the human, and as I referred to Surah 17 earlier, it means both sexes, as His trustee and representative on earth. There are many references in the Quran that reaffirm this.

Nowhere in the Quran do we find any trace of any notion of blaming Eve for the first mistake or for eating from the forbidden tree. Nowhere, even though the Quran speaks about Adam, Eve, and the forbidden tree, but in a totally different spirit. The story is narrated in 7:19-27, and it speaks about both of them doing this, both of them are told that both of them disobeyed, both of them discovered the consequences of their disobedience, both of them seek repentance and both of them are forgiven. Nowhere in the Quran does it say woman is to be blamed for the fall of man. Furthermore, when the Quran speaks about the suffering of women during the period of pregnancy and childbirth, nowhere does it connect it with the concept of original sin, because there is no concept of original sin in Islam. The suffering is presented not as a reason to remind woman of the fall of man, but as a reason to adore and love woman or the mother. In the Quran, especially 31:14, 46:15, it makes it quite clear God has commanded upon mankind to be kind to parents and mentions,

"His mother bore him in difficulty or suffering upon suffering." [Noble Quran 31:14, 46:15]

The Quran makes it clear again to remove any notion of superiority and I refer you again to 49:13. I must caution you that there are some mistaken translations, but if you go to the original Arabic, there is no question of gender being involved.

In terms of moral, spiritual duties, acts of worship, the requirements of men and women are the same, except in some cases when women have certain concessions because of their feminine nature, or their health or the health of their babies.

The Quran explicitly, in more than one verse, 3:195, 4:124, specified that whoever does good deeds, and is a believer and then specifies "male or female" God will give them an abundant reward.


You can read more here www.islamswomen.com...

Some men are just jerks and oppress woman all over the world.
As for me and My Muslim wife ....she is FREE TO DO WHAT EVER SHE WANTS!



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 01:29 PM
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originally posted by: Corruption Exposed

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Corruption Exposed
I don't know the answer to that question, do you?

Sharia approves of the death penalty for so-called 'apostasy' (leaving Islam or saying things not in line with Islam). Tribune.com - Most Muslims Want Sharia ... Split on Interpretation



And Judaism allows any crime under the sun so long it is not to another Jew. Only Jews have rights in Judaism so how is it any better than Islam.


Good post.

As previously acknowledged, all sides have their extremists but IMO Islam is unfairly demonized around the world and ATS. Personally, I could find things I dislike and disagree about in all religions. I'm tired of followers of one religion trying to portray themselves as holier than thou compared to those who worship differently.




Show me the videos of extreme Jews chopping off heads, hands, and feet. I've seen hours and hours of footage of Islamists doing it so I believe it is quite fair that they have been "demonized".



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 01:36 PM
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originally posted by: LightningStrikesHere
Woman have equal rights in Islam

what is practiced in reality is very different from 'equal rights'. The cultures are based on the religion and interpretation of religion. And since this is a thread about JEWISH EXTREMISM ... we can compare the lives of Jewish women with Muslim women. Which is more extreme?

The fact is that Jewish women can leave Judaism anytime they wish. Not all Muslim women can say that. The fact is that Jewish women can get an education. Not all Muslim women can say that. The fact is that Jewish women can leave their homes without male family escort. Not all Muslim women can say that. The fact is that Jewish women can drive their own cars to their own doctor appointments. Not all Muslim women can say that.

TO ADDRESS THE OPs TOPIC MORE - how about the Zionist paramilitary groups - IRGUN and LEHI and 'The Jewish Underground' and Bat_Ayin and Brit_HaKanaim and The Kingdom of Israel Group. Israel has had it's fair share of 'groups' .... dangerous groups .... groups with bombs and guns and nationalist interests. Those would be a good place to start with any Israel-extremist discussion.
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posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 01:36 PM
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originally posted by: Corruption Exposed
I have a question for the members of this thread who are more knowledgeable about religion than I am, hopefully you can help me figure this out.


First off, wouldn't believing that you are "GOD's chosen people" be a form of extremism?

IMO it is a form of extremism due to the fact that you consider yourself to be more important than those who are not part of your religion.

I'm pretty sure that Judaism preaches that they are GOD's chosen people, does Islam preach the same?


Well, I've heard people say they live in Gods country, often in Hollywood films you will hear the phrase 'God Bless America' as they are about to go and kill people from a different country. People talk about certain amendments to the American constitution as giving people a 'God given right'........... and that is on ATS. Often.

Isn't that a similar form of extremism?



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 01:38 PM
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a reply to: LightningStrikesHere ...And obligatory Islamic female circumcision is less extreme than the "extreme" Jewish take on women's rights?



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 01:44 PM
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originally posted by: LightningStrikesHere

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Corruption Exposed
I don't know the answer to that question, do you?

Sharia approves of the death penalty for so-called 'apostasy' (leaving Islam or saying things not in line with Islam). Tribune.com - Most Muslims Want Sharia ... Split on Interpretation




Lol , always posting from bias sites .. Why dont you ever post anything from Islamic sites?
Every time you try to rebuttle you always use links that are anti Islam.
Why?


Right, because pro-Islam sites are not biased at all...
Since Islam encourages lying about Islam to outsiders any pro-Islam site is untrustworthy as a source, that's why.



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 01:54 PM
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originally posted by: abe froman

originally posted by: Corruption Exposed

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Corruption Exposed
I don't know the answer to that question, do you?

Sharia approves of the death penalty for so-called 'apostasy' (leaving Islam or saying things not in line with Islam). Tribune.com - Most Muslims Want Sharia ... Split on Interpretation



And Judaism allows any crime under the sun so long it is not to another Jew. Only Jews have rights in Judaism so how is it any better than Islam.


Good post.

As previously acknowledged, all sides have their extremists but IMO Islam is unfairly demonized around the world and ATS. Personally, I could find things I dislike and disagree about in all religions. I'm tired of followers of one religion trying to portray themselves as holier than thou compared to those who worship differently.




Show me the videos of extreme Jews chopping off heads, hands, and feet. I've seen hours and hours of footage of Islamists doing it so I believe it is quite fair that they have been "demonized".


I can show you videos of Jews raining white phosphorus on children, I can show them using children as human shields, I can show many things but what would that accomplish? Both sides have extremists, I thought this has already been established.

Going tit for tat while trying to prove which side is worse won't accomplish anything in my opinion - I'm sure we could one up eachother going back and forth all day if we wanted to - that's not my intention.

Please keep in mind that those people chopping off people's heads are not real Muslims. They might think they are but they have strayed away from the teachings which they are supposed to follow, just like the extremists in Israel...if their Messiah were to finally appear he would probably throw the Khazars into the sea as they share no bloodlines with people of semitic origin. In fact, the original Jews shared DNA with what we call the Palestinians. The European converts have no claim to that land.

As unbiased as I try and remain, the root cause of the current problem is the formation of Israel in its current state. Some people may not like this but it's very difficult to deny if you analyze all the evidence since 1948, before that even.



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 01:57 PM
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originally posted by: abe froman

originally posted by: LightningStrikesHere

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Corruption Exposed
I don't know the answer to that question, do you?

Sharia approves of the death penalty for so-called 'apostasy' (leaving Islam or saying things not in line with Islam). Tribune.com - Most Muslims Want Sharia ... Split on Interpretation




Lol , always posting from bias sites .. Why dont you ever post anything from Islamic sites?
Every time you try to rebuttle you always use links that are anti Islam.
Why?


Right, because pro-Islam sites are not biased at all...
Since Islam encourages lying about Islam to outsiders any pro-Islam site is untrustworthy as a source, that's why.





Is it permissable to lie to kaafirs?.(disbelievers)
Praise be to Allaah.
Lying is a reprehensible and blameworthy characteristic and is not appropriate whether in earnest or in jest. There is no concession allowing it except in cases of necessity in order to achieve some definite shar‘i interest that cannot be attained by telling the truth, or to ward off serious harm that cannot be warded off by telling the truth. If it is possible to avoid lying and to tell the truth in order to obtain interests or ward off harm, then there is no concession that allows lying. 

Ahmad (17) narrated that Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him) said: O people, beware of lying, for lying is contrary to faith.

Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani. See ad-Da‘eefah, 5/414 

It is narrated in a saheeh report from Sa‘d ibn Abi Waqqaas (may Allah be pleased with him) that he said: The Muslim could develop all sorts of characteristics except treachery and lying. 

And it is narrated in a saheeh report from Ibn Mas‘ood (may Allah be pleased with him) that he said: Lying is never appropriate in earnest or in jest. Then he recited the words of Allah (interpretation of the meaning): “Fear Allah, and be with those who are true (in words and deeds).” [at-Tawbah 9:119].

Narrated by Ibn Abi Shaybah, 8/403 



Why don't you stop lying ? And spreading falsehood?



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 02:03 PM
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Why don't you stop lying ? And spreading falsehood?


Why don't you? Oh, I know here's why:
Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."

There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.

Which is what you are doing now.



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 02:06 PM
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originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Corruption Exposed
I have a question for the members of this thread who are more knowledgeable about religion than I am, hopefully you can help me figure this out.


First off, wouldn't believing that you are "GOD's chosen people" be a form of extremism?

IMO it is a form of extremism due to the fact that you consider yourself to be more important than those who are not part of your religion.

I'm pretty sure that Judaism preaches that they are GOD's chosen people, does Islam preach the same?


Well, I've heard people say they live in Gods country, often in Hollywood films you will hear the phrase 'God Bless America' as they are about to go and kill people from a different country. People talk about certain amendments to the American constitution as giving people a 'God given right'........... and that is on ATS. Often.

Isn't that a similar form of extremism?


IMO that is not the same kind of statement, but could be considered as a mild form of extremism depending on the context (context can be a pain in the a$$ to decipher unfortunately).

I believe that there is a major difference between "GOD gave me this land so I'm going to bulldoze your home and force you out at gunpoint" versus "God bless America" or "this is God's country".

Would you consider it to be a bit extreme if I believed something from a book that cannot factually be proven then proceeded to force you and your family out at gunpoint and steal your home because my GOD told me I could?

Hopefully you can see the difference between the two.

Cheers.



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 02:12 PM
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originally posted by: abe froman
a reply to: LightningStrikesHere ...And obligatory Islamic female circumcision is less extreme than the "extreme" Jewish take on women's rights?



This is inncorect .


I would like to know more about female circumcision in Islam. I have read the ahadith where the Prophet told a woman how to perform it. I would like to know if it is optional or obligatory, and - if it is obligatory - whether there is a certain way to do it (what part should be cut?).
Praise be to Allah.
Ibn Qudamah (may Allah have mercy on him) said, in his book al-Mughni: "Circumcision is obligatory for men, and it is an honour for women, but it is not obligatory for them. This is the opinion of many scholars. (Imam) Ahmad said: For men it is more strictly required, but for women it is less strictly required." (al-Mughni 1/70).


Again its not so black & white .. The ruling had to do with woman who have over growth or something deformed in the neither region . would it be permissible for the skin to be cut.

Its not something that gets done just to get done like men !
Is a ruling ment strictly for medical issues.

And its a hadith that has not been classed , meaning it could be a weak hadith ..


A hadith on the topic of female circumcision has been attributed to the Prophet (Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon Him), according to which he said: "Circumcision is a Sunnah for men, and an honour for women," but there is some debate as to the authenticity of this hadith. See Silsilah al-Ahadith al-Da‘ifah by al-Albani, no. 1935.


In the life and times of prophet Muhammad pbuh people made up hadith because they loved him so much.
Example : their is a hadith that says the prophet could move the moon with his tumb....this is obviously a weak hadith.
That's why we have scholars who are masters in hadith and class them as weak or strong.
They can be traced and classed .

But the problem we have is people like you ...and its not just you extremist Muslims do it to, they take any hadith and say "oh this is hadith so we can do it" or they misinterpret them.

And behold the birth of extremisim and islamaphobia !



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 02:26 PM
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originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: Corruption Exposed
I don't know the answer to that question, do you?

Sharia approves of the death penalty for so-called 'apostasy' (leaving Islam or saying things not in line with Islam). Tribune.com - Most Muslims Want Sharia ... Split on Interpretation


The article you link is rather biased. Islamic scholarship differs on the appropriate punishment for the apostate which ranges from execution – based on an interpretation of certain hadiths – to no punishment at all as long as they do not rebel against the Islamic society or religion. So you just can't say Shariah gives the death penalty for apostasy when it simply isn't true it depends on who is doing the judging.
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posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 02:29 PM
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originally posted by: buster2010
The article you link is rather biased.

It goes back to the New York Times and it clearly states that the death penalty is based on Sharia, and it states where Sharia is wanted, but it also states that Sharia is open to wide interpretation. It's a balanced article.





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