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originally posted by: CB328
Corporations still can't give a bazillion dollars to candidate.
They can give a bazillion dollars to political groups that spend it on campaign advertising. I don't believe that corporations should be allowed to donate any money to the political system, they already have so much influence over it.
HHS already has a plan up and operating where neither the women or the taxpayers would have to pay anything extra. The Court suggested that HHS could include the Hobby Lobby women in that plan, or they could come up with another one.
The Hobby Lobby decision was a little ridiculous. I see it was a way of forcing women who already pay for health insurance to pay extra for birth control.
Even if it was, (which I'm granting only to prevent thread drift), Hobby Lobby already covers 16 of the 20 birth control methods and will continue to do so. I haven't seen any argue that IUDs, and the morning after pill are essential to health care (unless "health care" has an amzingly wide definition).
Birth control is essential to health care.
The Court never even hinted that, let alone made it obvious. As the Court noted, a corporation can't do anything at all. A corporation is a collection of individuals. People write the checks, prepare the policies, talk with insurance agents, etc. In this case, every single person with ownership in Hobby Lobby believed their religious freedom was being burdened.
I do admit, I am ignorant to the ways of the Supreme Court. Obviously to them, a corporation is more important than the individual.
Please explain exactly how Hobby Lobby workers are exploited by this decision?
Truly the US has become a government for the corporation, by the corporation set up to exploit the common citizen.
originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: charles1952
It is not so much Hobby Lobby I am concerned about. It is the precedent it sets. Now other corporations and health plans have already followed step.
This ruling is much bigger than Hobby Lobby.
That question deserves no answer. I could care less about Hobby Lobby, they will continue to fail.
so it goes way farther then citizenes united that was the final nail so to speak
Since at least Trustees of Dartmouth College v. Woodward – 17 U.S. 518 (1819), the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized corporations as having the same rights as natural persons to contract and to enforce contracts. In Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad – 118 U.S. 394 (1886), the court reporter, Bancroft Davis, noted in the headnote to the opinion that the Chief Justice Morrison Waite began oral argument by stating, "The court does not wish to hear argument on the question whether the provision in the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which forbids a State to deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws, applies to these corporations. We are all of the opinion that it does." While the headnote is not part of the Court's opinion and thus not precedent, two years later, in Pembina Consolidated Silver Mining Co. v. Pennsylvania – 125 U.S. 181 (1888), the Court clearly affirmed the doctrine, holding, "Under the designation of 'person' there is no doubt that a private corporation is included [in the Fourteenth Amendment]. Such corporations are merely associations of individuals united for a special purpose and permitted to do business under a particular name and have a succession of members without dissolution." This doctrine has been reaffirmed by the Court many times since.