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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Loveaduck
"When the estuaries are gone. We are gone."
Technically this is not the case, we can still eat one another, for a little while!
Or TPTB can decide to release some of our shall we say black technology allowing humanity to depart this rock and be on to greener pastures.
After all Mars and some of the exoplanets could quite possibly be within our reach by then.
Then again chance would be a fine thing!
The sun affects planetary wind patterns. What perhaps is the clearest evidence that nature, not man, caused the twentieth century warming was the discovery in the past few years that the oceans are playing a far greater role than previously recognized. Although poorly understood, either the sun directly, or through the winds it helps create, phenomena like El Niños and La Niñas are formed in the tropical ocean. (See NASA animation) These equatorial El Niño and La Niña phenomenon have been well known since the early 1900s, but their significance was not realized until the late 1900s.
ts began to realize the impact of El Niños and La Niñas on climate across the world, they also began to notice there was a larger oscillation within which they occurred, extending well beyond the tropics. By 1997 they had named them the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) and the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO). Like El Niño and La Niña, the PDO and AMO have warm and cold cycles. While El Niños and La Niñas only last 1-3 years, the PDO usually lasts from 15 to 30 years and the AMO, 20 to 40 years. In the case of the PDO, the warm phase has more El Niños while the cold phase has more La Niñas. Together they have a profound affect on earth’s climate, and when compared to earth’s temperature, the correlation is considered good, but not great. Nonetheless, it is far better than CO2, which only has a poor correlation with temperature.
I agree with this, and we need to understand the difference between global warming and climate change.
originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Loveaduck
So you kind of took the worst aspects of what I said rather than the plus points, which would be humanity departing from this rock.
We are a virus from mother earths perspective, time to move, or time to die, its our choice.
She will get along just fine without our input or intervention, we are not the "be all and end all" regarding nature!
Metal poisoning??? That would be the least of your worries! New Ice Age or no EM shield now that's a problem.
The melting tundra is the single most threat to our way of life. It has already begun and shutting down coal burning plants will not change that one whit.
While annual coal mining deaths numbered more than 1,000 a year in the early part of the 20th century, they decreased to an average of about 451 annual fatalities in the 1950s, and to 141 in the 1970s. From 2006-2010, the yearly average number of fatalities in coal mining decreased to 35. In 2009, there were 18 recorded coal mining deaths, a record low number. Sadly, coal mining fatalities dramatically increased to 48 in 2010, with the tragedy at the Upper Big Branch Mine claiming 29 lives in addition to the 19 other coal miners killed that year. In 2011, 21 coal miners were killed in accidents. 2012 saw 19 coal miners killed in accidents. www.msha.gov...
This season ends May 15. Elsewhere in Florida, Gulf Coast fishermen say an octopus population explosion has jeopardized its stone crab catch. The crab is a favorite food of octopus.
FORT MYERS, Fla. -- Fisherman in southwest Florida say octopuses are threatening to decimate their stone crab harvests.
Octopuses are intelligent, voracious predators. They can easily prey on stone crabs caught in traps in the Gulf of Mexico.
"They're real thick offshore. Past 30 feet deep, we're catching a lot of them," commercial fisherman Shane Dooley tells the News-Press. "Some traps have two or three in them. They eat the crabs as soon as they get in, and they go from trap to trap."
All of Island Crab Co. owner Jeff Haugland's traps are in 40 to 55 feet of water.
"It's like a desert out there," he said. "My boats are seeing plenty of octopus, and they're seeing no stone crab, almost less than none."
originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: roth1
The hole in the ozone will not "let gasses leak out"...it will, however, allow an increased amount of radiation in. When you toss in the weakening magnetic field that has lost 15% of it's strength since the beginning of the industrial revolution one has to wonder if whatever climate change we see is due more to those factors than man's.
I question man's involvement in "climate change", given that the above conditions exist; given that climate change is, and always has been constant; given that existing climate models are extremely faulty and cannot predict crap (scientific method, anyone?) which proves we do not know squat about how climate change works.
However, there is no argument that the tundra is melting. As the tundra melts, massive amounts of methane will be released into the atmosphere which WILL contribute to global warming. The question is: Is there a damned thing we (mankind) can do to even begin to prevent that from happening? I doubt it....
The immediate result of 100 nuclear weapons roughly the size of those dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki being detonated would be the release of five megatons of black carbon into the atmosphere.