The Christian right seeks cultural and political domination

originally posted by: BasementWarriorKryptonite
It's impossible for you to defend christianity. Religion is one huge failed experiment in human torture.

Really? Have you seen or read what happens when religion is removed? Ok, I get it, you do not believe there is a God or that there is higher power, I understand, but I can tell you from life experiences that humans are not nice to say the least.

Religion at the root level has very good fundamental morals, and it is us humans that corrupt it into personal motives. When religion goes astray from what we would consider a moral compass there is still that moral foundation to come back too. In our pass when we deviated from that moral compass when religion is out of the picture we really go down the dark path.

People always talk about the Christian Crusades or the Dark Ages and power/greed and land grab was what that was all about under a disguise of religion. Even with that we are talking 5 million died over 500 years, and we can just look at something like Pol Pot who in an anti-religious way killed 2.5 million in a few years using extremely heinous acts, or Stalin who outlawed religion and killed 40 to 70 million in a few short years, or The Chinese that killed 100 million as they went into their industrial age at the cost of lives, we can even look at WWI and WWII and see what happens....

Speaking of the Dark Ages, we look at religion back then and say, boy that was a heinous time to live under religion, but you need to understand that religion was the best moral foundation they had back then and non-religious events were 10 times worst.

Man will be man, so be careful what you wish for..... You might regret it really realizing just how bad humans can be. You are gay, we all know, so I would like to ask you how would you like to live in Russia today in their very non-religious environment?

i see this whole thing of dominionists vs. non-dominionists, as a pope vs jesuit thing. and if both parties are, behind the scenes, inevitably on the same page, you just need to observe the over all direction its going in, to determine what is actually going on and what the end goal is. the jesuits are a secular organization who serve as the military and secret service agency to the money and power of the vatican -- not to the religion of the vatican.

the pope serves as the religious tyrant of the vatican. both are heading in the exact same direction -- ultimate power and rule over human beings in the form of tyranny, similar to stalin and hitler. the jesuits have become an immensely powerful and rich secular organization in their own right and are now challenging the papacy for the seat of power, which they have almost succeeded in by getting one of their own, on the throne of peter.

yeah the new pope is a jesuit.

originally posted by: imwilliam
The entire premise of this thread is a farce.

Never in the history of this country has Christianity had so little influence over politics, business or the culture. It was much more prevalent and influential in the past; including at the founding of this country, (despite the simple minded denials to the contrary), right up until the 1960's.

Never have atheists, homosexuals or believers in Puff the Magic Dragon been more tolerated, more accepted or wielded more power than they have in the last several decades in the States.

And yet, where are we as a nation? Are we in ascendency? Hardly, we're in decline. I wonder why that is?

THIS.

Op is laughable. "THE CHRISTIANS ARE COMING THE CHRISTIANS ARE COMING!!!"

And here I thought we were supposed to be the ones with the "persecution complex"?

a reply to: DeadSeraph

this is the problem: no matter which side you choose, we are only given 2 sides, and end game of both, is absolute tyranny over what we eat, what we wear, what we think, how we pray or if we are allowed to pray, anywhere, how or even if, we spend our money or have any money or any personal property.

the jesuits have been busy little beavers erecting their socialist and communist strongholds in primarily catholic nations. they do this by 1) creating an unsustainable socialist strain on the economy and then 2) offering a solution in the form of communism (secular corporate socialism) with a single leader who acts as dictator but who is in fact, working for the jesuits, and by proxy, for the vatican. they're having a bit more of a problem in the usa, because the christians are mostly protestant or offshoots of protestanism. as a result, they are shipping in large amounts of catholics from poorer catholic nations (who, btw, became poor as a result of the same socialist pressure used elsewhere on the globe to impoverish the people and engender a cry for humane solutions in the form of secular corporate socialism).

in effect, the communists and socialists in our populations, globally, are working directly and indirectly, for rome.

this same thing is happening in the nations of europe, where they are swiftly heading into a totalitarian communist super state. their leaders are deliberately creating the dilemma, so we can chalk that up to the jesuits (and by proxy, the vatican) already run europe. they are deliberately shipping in muslims from exceedingly poor nations, creating a financial and societal crisis for the exact same reasons as those happening in the usa.

do.not.blame.this.on.catholics or muslims or protestants or jews as a people group. it is not their fault. the fault is the trio of power which is 1) the religious leaders -- the popes, 2) the military and secret service leaders -- the jesuits and 3) the financial wizards -- secular corporate socialism (which is globalist). the popes sold out the catholic people a long time ago.

I've never liked organized religion. It has too much potential to end badly. Just look at the middle east at the moment. These ISIS lunatics are threatening to start a new caliphate because they think it's what Allah wants them to do. They think that their acting out gods will. And certain hardcore evangelicals over here in the States think their acting out gods will at the same time. And you can insert even more religious groups who claim they're the chosen ones acting out gods wishes also.


It's the same story just with a different name attached to it. Everyone is going around claiming to be the chosen ones or the right ones. Considering that there's something like 4,000 religions on Earth, doesn't anyone take into consideration that their religion/belief system could be wrong? And that their just following a bunch of made up bologna? It doesn't seem like a Jew and a Muslim could be both right at the same time.

If there is indeed some kind of higher power, do you seriously think it would sit around and make up frivolous rules and arbitrary commandments for us to follow? Why does any of this crap even matter? Wear these clothes, and wear this hat. Pray on this day, at this time, and this place. Don't eat this, or eat this on a certain time or day. Or don't eat at all on this day. Give each other stuff on these day(s.) When is this just going to be a bunch of meaningless stuff people made up?

I don't claim to have all of the answers. I don't have the nerve or audacity to say so. And I don't have the nerve to say people shouldn't believe in a higher power, or be spiritual. My main concern is the amount of insane faith and blatant ignorance that has infested the world due to ORGANIZED religion. Following an organized religion is not following your own beliefs, much like a lot of people here in the States seem to think. Did they sit around one day and think up what they want to believe in on their own? And what guidelines they want to live their own life by? Nope, they had a book tossed at them and were told this is what's right and wrong. And they literally started to believe in what the writers/authors told them to believe. That's hardly at all a personal belief. It's plagiarism at its finest.

The main point I'm trying to make is don't believe in a load of junk people tell you. If you believe in god, go after him/her/it on your own behalf. It should be your own journey/experience. Come to your own conclusions and come to peace with yourself and your life. And whenever people come up to you and ask you "What do you believe in?" Simply say to them, "It's not about what I believe in, it's about what YOU believe in."

a reply to: Honcho

humans are pack animals. we enjoy ritual and mob mentality, which is why we are so easily manipulated. this same thing can be said for all the other world views, be they agnostic or atheistic in application. people of a feather flock together. etc. organized ANYTHING can be a threat to freedom, particularly in a democratic society. over 50% agree on something and whoosh, there goes your human rights

been trying with little success i might add, to explain this to democratic socialists. if you erect a democratic socialist government that deliberately disenfranchises its own majority, which democracy is NOT supposed to do, those who are disenfranchised will eventually take over and now you've given them the power AND the impetus to do the same to you as you did to them.

so now democratic socialists are calling for a complete tyranny so that they don't have to see or experience that backlash. that is also a very bad idea. cause tyrants do not care if something is fair or not. if they decide you are not worthy of living, they will wipe you out, even if you are of the same mindset as them. case in point, stalin would just make up random lists of people to have shot. every day, another 100 people would be shot, for no reason at all, other than to keep the people in constant fear. he wiped out all his officers and most dedicated supporters, as he viewed them as threats to his power. tyrants suck. let's not go there.

the only solution to all this is to return this country to its constitutional roots

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Xtrozero

So what is it that they are trying to pull off, I kind of missed that point.

They are trying to pull off FORCING their religion down everyone else's throat.

Perhaps you are unaware of the SC decision that Corporations can give as much money as they want to political figures' campaigns? Because, you know - corporations are "people."

so only the right owns corporations?

wouldn't the SC decision benefit both/all sides?

originally posted by: tsingtao

so only the right owns corporations?

wouldn't the SC decision benefit both/all sides?

socialism and its final solution = secular corporate socialism = communism. if you haven't seen this video yet, watch it. communism has never been actual communism. it sounds pretty and humane, so people ask for it/fight for it, to be implemented. but once it is, it eats them alive because it an unsustainable form of government.

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: NonsensicalUserName

Are you THAT unaware of The current Destroyer-in-Chief's history in

HIS OWN WORDS?

Sheesh. The MSM is NOT your friend . . . IF you are interested in TRUTH.

The evidence is out there IN HIS OWN WORDS.

I'm shocked . . . utterly shocked at your lack of knowledge and awareness on that topic.

In terms of the OP . . . your example is yet another example of why the OP is a stinking pile of balderdash . . .

Y'all seem to have zilch awareness of the very thing being discussed. Shocking.

THE TRUTH IS MUCH CLOSER TO THE OPPOSITE OF THE OP'S CONTENTIONS!

PLEASE Do some research before you and your family suffer outrageously through such gross lack of knowledge and lack of awareness.

it's like this,

"christian right" is like the word the las vegas magician tells you and then you act like a chicken on stage.

it doesn't matter what comes after that code word, people just lose their minds. lol!

originally posted by: undo

originally posted by: tsingtao

so only the right owns corporations?

wouldn't the SC decision benefit both/all sides?

socialism and its final solution = secular corporate socialism = communism. if you haven't seen this video yet, watch it. communism has never been actual communism. it sounds pretty and humane, so people ask for it/fight for it, to be implemented. but once it is, it eats them alive because it an unsustainable form of government.

yeah i know, i'm 60.

buzzy seems to think only the righty's own corps.

google, microsoft, birkshire hathaway, GE, apple, are all dems.

unions.

Even the witch burnings were orchestrated by the people in power in order to maintain or gain control and weath.
Religion has aways been one of the most preferred ways of obtaining these!
Enough of the people were either misled or bribed into going along and once they had enough convinced most of the others went along in fear that if they didn't they'd be the next witch!
I think the US has a long ways to go before it could become a theocracy. Heck it has a long ways to go before it can be callled a christian nation with any credibiity!
Our politicians lie to get elected.. They are not christian!
Our businesses lie to avoid their taxes.. They are not chirstian.
And while I have no doubt that there are many true christians in our nation it is obvious that they are in no way a majority!
And it is true that someone could try to force us all to put on nice clean white robes, attend church every week and live the life. We'd still wouldn't be a christian nation! We'd be more like a nation of hypocrites! Going through the motions with no belief behind it! It is more a spirit of the antichrist than it is christian..
Although I do belief that there are some who are trying to do what you claim I don't think that it will get too far! Reckon what would happen if they did actually remove access to birth control from women? The women today are in a much stronger position than they were in the 50's and 60's. I think they would be more apt to decide that the sex isn't worth it and avoid it along with marriage than to have a brood of children! Are they really willing to try to force that issue on them?
I don't believe their goal is obtainable!

Fascism by the way is the merger of state and business interests. It isn't so much that one controls the other as it is they work hand in hand towards mutual goals. In Italy during the depression the state would give the businesses quite a bit of money as long as the businesses would keep quiet and not let on just how bad the economy really was. If the truth were to be told it does seem that it had worked better than the US approach did somewhat. Not that I like fascism much

originally posted by: Xtrozero
Religion at the root level has very good fundamental morals, and it is us humans that corrupt it into personal motives. When religion goes astray from what we would consider a moral compass there is still that moral foundation to come back too.

I know you're not saying that without religion there are no morals, right? Morals do not come from religion. Religion is not what gives someone morals. They come from within a person or society, as part of the foundation of a person or society.

Religion is simply a tool place on top of this foundation that manipulates/works with something that already exists. It is
something some choose to place into their lives in addition to the basic fundamentals that all humans share in common already, the more base level on which all can relate and what we all have to live within the bounds of.

Choose religion if you want or need to, However, be aware that it is not the alpha and omega to everyone. That alone is reason enough to disqualify it from the common ground and common good. When it becomes an excuse for hate or an otherwise polarizing agent is where we have our issues and even our wars, or excuses for them.

The world could do just fine without religion, or with religions that just follow their own beliefs and not try to impose them on others and stay out of those things we ALL have in common in society.


a reply to: tsingtao Yet again, it is not a dem/rep, con/lib, us/them thing. These things are just polarizing agents thrown into the mix, wittingly or unwittingly, to distract from real issues.

Oops.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Jul 4, 2014 by Casey Coates Danson

This ^^ is the by-line of the article.
Werleman is mentioned at the bottom, but he does not have the byline.

Do you really think religion has changed all that much in the last few hundred years?

Unfortunately, no. It hasn't.

do away with freedoms of choice and beliefs, they will tell you what to believe and what you can do.

THIS ^^ is exactly what the Christian Right want. I think you have it backwards, xtro. And sure, I can "not shop or work" at these companies, and I don't - but they can, and DO, contribute to the politicians who are pushing THEIR agenda (removing evolution from education, for example)...and the SCOTUS just recently said they can "give as much as they want." Riiight. Because those corporations are "people."

And meanwhile, it's okay for them to pay people sub-par wages while the taxpayers pull up the slack, which they then bitch about. If they paid a living wage, those people would not NEED government assistance. It's known as Corporate Welfare. And it, too, is very real.

a reply to: misnomer68

Be careful what you wish for, as eventually the very thing that you believe to be against your moral code, will become acceptable by law.

Exactly. Precisely the point. Giving corporations "personhood" and allowing them to BUY THE GOVERNMENT is very much against my moral code. The filthy rich off-shoring jobs and revenue, hiding it in havens, and allowing the taxpayers to pull up the slack - the void those corporations left in their wake - is against my moral code. Those things, however, are "legal."

It's shameful.

a reply to: imwilliam

including at the founding of this country

This country, at its actual FOUNDING, was a secular republic that offered "freedom of religion" - it was NOT. EVER. A CHRISTIAN NATION.

a reply to: BO XIAN

It appears that you are grossly to terminally uninformed about that which you pontificate most shrilly about.

LOL!! Right out of the chute...insults!

No, sadly for you, I am QUITE informed - and will fight back. Kindly refrain from insulting everyone on this thread, and do give yourself a break from your favorite propaganda sites - so that YOU can have a decent conversation about it.

@kali, buster, olaru, amazing, and lucidity - and all others who are engaging in this discussion with acknowledgement and level heads: THANK YOU.

a reply to: BO XIAN

Since you seem to have had all your senses anesthetized the last 60 years, I'll try and bring you up to date . . .

BO - is it possible, do you think, that you could refrain from insulting other members' intelligence?
Amazing is exactly right - and you are too hysterical to engage in this discussion.

You admit the Dominionists are on the move - and even that their watered-down version of "Christianity" is loony...
so why are you fighting so hard?? They ARE in the government, the churches, the courts, etc.

Perhaps some deep-breathing and remembering that you are in fact NOT addressing a group of intellectually challenged middle-schoolers would help.

a reply to: xuenchen

Where is the "Religion" part ?

You must have skipped reading the OP or looking at the links. The "RELIGION PART" is what they are pushing into every single sector of our society. You can pretend it isn't happening, but you'd be mistaken.

As I did say in the OP, I only learned about these people last spring - they had done a good job of "hiding" - and they sounded like nutjobs. So it doesn't surprise me that many of you haven't heard of them.

They want to force Biblical, puritanical dogma onto EVERYONE:
Government
Business
Family
Religion
Education
Media
Arts & Entertainment

What do you hard-core conservatives NOT GET ABOUT THIS?!!!