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The Christian right seeks cultural and political domination

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posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 11:59 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

All this 'Satan-is-coming-end-of-times' doom paranoia is rather irrelevant to the thread. Unless of course the extremists groups in the Original Post stated that their desire to push towards a non-secular government was due to this belief.


Not at all irrelevant to the thread.

DOMINIONISTS are also very END TIMES oriented in their thinking, theology and planning. They just think, INCORRECTLY, imho, that THEY can usher in the Millenial reign of Christ after the NWO folks are trashed at Armageddon . . . usher in Christ's reign by their human political efforts.

On that score, I kind of SOMEWHAT agree with the OP that such a mentality is not only not Biblical but not healthy.

The Dominionists are definitely END TIMES oriented and see themselves, IIRC, as undermining and combatting by 'successful politicing' [a huge fallacy, imho] the NWO EFFORTS.

imho, the NWO will reign more or less supreme for 3.5-7 years overtly on the world stage.

There is another possibility . . . not exactly Dominionist . . . though there are some similar threads. Will have to ponder that one a bit longer and read some more.




posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 12:03 PM
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a reply to: BO XIAN


DOMINIONISTS are also very END TIMES oriented in their thinking, theology and planning. They just think, INCORRECTLY, imho, that THEY can usher in the Millenial reign of Christ after the NWO folks are trashed at Armageddon . . . usher in Christ's reign by their human political efforts.

On that score, I kind of SOMEWHAT agree with the OP that such a mentality is not only not Biblical but not healthy.

Whoa! WOW!
Did you just go take your meds, BO?
(kidding!)

THANK YOU. That is EXACTLY the point.



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 12:05 PM
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originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: NavyDoc

As a Bible thumping die-hard Socialist, I suppose I'm a man without a country.


Nope, just a bundle of contradictions.



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 12:08 PM
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a reply to: bigcountry08


illegal to teach Christianity in public schools.
No. Illegal to PUSH Christianity in public schools. Or any other religion. Comparative religions can be taught. Which is good.


christian monuments have been being taken down from government building the last 20 years.

Yes. Because church and state are SEPARATE.


The acceptance of gays and gay marriage is on the rise and will probably be completely legal within the next 5 to 10 years.

pot is becoming more legal and the ban will probably be completely lifted within 5 years.

And pot-smokers and gays are harming YOUR precious rights...how again?



yup looks like Christians are really taking over....

If nothing else, this thread has shown me that the article in the OP was, in fact, sensationally titled, and that the Dominionists do NOT have their pieces all in a row .... YET.

THEY MUST BE STOPPED from EVER "ushering in the age of American Theocracy."



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 12:11 PM
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a reply to: BO XIAN


It's all basically TYRANNY FROM HELL from the foundation up. They see themselves as the elite with an UNdivine "right" to rule the "stupid" serfs and slaves.


You'll fight man's monarchy, but not Jesus's monarchy. I find the double standard...perturbing.
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posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 12:16 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
If nothing else, this thread has shown me that the article in the OP was, in fact, sensationally titled, and that the Dominionists do NOT have their pieces all in a row .... YET.


My personal opinion is that their beliefs will always be considered fringe and that their own actions will be their own undoing. All types of fundamentalism are anathema to the principles on which this country was founded.



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 12:23 PM
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originally posted by: Chiftel

originally posted by: manna2

originally posted by: vjr1113

originally posted by: pirhanna
Yes, this is true, but it's missing the bigger game going on. Right / Left is a false dichotomy in a closed system that ignores all the other possibilities so as to maintain population control. Whoever wins, we still lose - as long as we keep seeing things from within the box they put us in.


i disagree the labels exist for a reason, fundamental differences in beliefs. usually the right are considered religious conservatives and the left are considered open minded liberals.

i personally don't believe that these labels are being represented as they should. we should, instead of dividing ourselves, try to decide what beliefs should be taught to the next generation, as a whole society.
yes the labels are there so that the Hegelian dialectic can be used to manipulate society with. They get tools to go around picking either the reaction or the problem, force the debate and steer the solution to their predetermined result. You can see it in play with all of buzzys threads.


Oh, noes!

Not the Hagelian Dialectic!!!

I suppose if you dread Dialectical analysis so much, calculus and binary searching must keep you up at night:



It cannot be that Dialectical material analysis is simply a binary search applied in sociology?

Surely, it also cannot be that society naturally pendulates between right wing and left wing politics, would it?
i was pretty sure I refered to Samuel Wilhelm Hegel. Do a study. Hitler understood my point, it is in the forward to his book, mein kamp. And Stalin understood it too in his book he gives it glory. But you see x's and o's.



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 12:27 PM
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1. (Philosophy) philosophy an interpretive method in which the contradiction between a proposition (thesis) and its antithesis is resolved at a higher level of truth (synthesis)
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
Hege′lian dialec′tic
n.
an interpretive method in which some assertible proposition (thesis) is necessarily opposed by an equally assertible and apparently contradictory proposition (antithesis), the contradiction being reconciled on a higher level of truth by a third proposition (synthesis).


Oh, I stand proudly to admit that I do that very thing.
Start a premise, to bring out the opposition, and then come to a REASONABLE, HIGHER truth.
I don't give a rat's ass about who has used it in the past. It works.

Point A vs Point B leads to BETTER ANSWER AND SOLUTION C.

MIDDLE GROUND. COMMON DENOMINATOR. WORKABLE SOLUTION.
So, now that you've assessed my strategy, kindly bugger off. I'm not interested in anything else you have to say.

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posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 12:32 PM
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Hitler and Stalin agree with you. You are in fine company.a reply to: BuzzyWigs



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 12:34 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: bigcountry08



christian monuments have been being taken down from government building the last 20 years.

Yes. Because church and state are SEPARATE.

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But recently that has been taken to an intolerant and hateful extreme. Should we pull all of the crosses out of Arlington National Cemetery? Those are religious symbols on taxpayer funded ground.

IMHO, simply having a religious symbol on a public place, say a war memorial, is not an endorsement of religion but rather a recognition of the war dead in a way that really is part of our culture. Like it or not, Judeo-Christian culture had been part of our culture since the founding. Having a religious statue torn out of a park where it has resided for a hundred years is very wrong thinking. Lighting the National Menorah is not an endorsement of the Jewish religion, but a recognition of a long standing holiday for a large portion of our citizens. One can have a secular government without wiping out any trace of religiosity like some pharaohs of old would chisel out any mention of their predecessor from the ancient monuments.



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 12:36 PM
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a reply to: manna2

The Dialectic is an ancient Greek philosophical strategy. Not any more familiar with Socrates than you are with much else, are you?

Dialectic (also dialectics and the dialectical method) is a method of argument for resolving disagreement that has been central to European and Indian philosophy since antiquity. The word dialectic originated in ancient Greece, and was made popular by Plato in the Socratic dialogues. The dialectical method is discourse between two or more people holding different points of view about a subject, who wish to establish the truth of the matter guided by reasoned arguments.[1]


en.wikipedia.org...

But, I know you prefer autocratic brow-beating, character assault, stalking/defaming, and general nastiness in a self-righteous superior tone.
Sorry, Dialectic doesn't work that way - and neither do I.

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posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 12:36 PM
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originally posted by: manna2
Hitler and Stalin agree with you. You are in fine company.a reply to: BuzzyWigs



What exactly do Hitler and Stalin agree with?


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posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 12:40 PM
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a reply to: NavyDoc

Then a statue of EVERY religion should be in those parks as well.
Right?

Every religion that is represented (with or without taxation) in our country has the SAME RIGHT to their views. To have one Lording it over everyone else (especially in a menacing manner) is not appropriate.

This country is a SECULAR one, with religious FREEDOM. A perfect Hegelian solution to the conflict between the extremes of Capitalism and Socialism, Freedom and Cooperation.

As far as Arlington goes - I'd say the markers should represent the faith of the soldier - just like their dog-tags do.
Which would probably leave most of them the way they are - but people of other traditions would be able to have their own 'memorial' symbol. You think the First Tribe members who fought in our wars wanted a "cross" on their graves? Not likely. It was Christianity that decimated their populations and annihilated their way of life. Children taken from their parents to be "civilized" - yeah, right.

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posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 12:42 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Propaganda must present "love or hate, right or wrong, truth or lie, never half this way and half that way" (Hitler)



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 12:45 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
Then a statue of EVERY religion should be in those parks as well.
Right?


Would not bother me. I would actually get a kick out of seeing Ganesh next to the J-man. We could always throw in Xenu to piss of Tom Cruise as well.

Every religion that is represented (with or without taxation) in our country has the SAME RIGHT to their views. To have one Lording it over everyone else (especially in a menacing manner) is not appropriate.


I honestly do not think anyone in this thread has that viewpoint.

This country is a SECULAR one, with religious FREEDOM. A perfect Hegelian solution to the conflict between the extremes of Capitalism and Socialism, Freedom and Cooperation.


I think the Founders completely understood the importance of having their own personal faith but not institutionalizing it as they appreciated that there were and always will be people of differing views and the tyranny of the majority should not be imposed upon their fellow countrymen.



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 12:47 PM
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Okay, I've caught up now. And I have to say I agree with Buzzy as well. When two objects of vastly different temperatures meet in an environment of a third temperature equidistant from those of the two objects, the temperatures of the two objects and the room will all change until a balance has been reached in energy. It's called the laws of conservation, aka thermodynamics, and it's physics.

The same logic applies to conflicts and potential resolutions. Compromise = stabilization. Teamwork = equilibrium.


Propaganda must present "love or hate, right or wrong, truth or lie, never half this way and half that way" (Hitler)


So now we're going to post random quotes making select celebrities look bad in order to discredit the opposition's arguments? At least try to be relevant here. I could easily post a few quotes concerning Adolf's adoration for God and his importance in the Nazism regime that Hitler installed for adults and children alike. Would that serve to prove any points?
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posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 12:47 PM
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a reply to: manna2

Whatever the hell that has to do with this thread or anything.

Dialectic is the REASONABLE DISCUSSION of two opposing viewpoints to find a solution that works for everyone.
Are you going to address the premise of the thread or not? I don't care what you think of me, my style, my ideology, my spirituality, or anything else. I care about where this country is headed, and the disenfranchised people who live here.



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 12:51 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: NavyDoc

Then a statue of EVERY religion should be in those parks as well.
Right?

Every religion that is represented (with or without taxation) in our country has the SAME RIGHT to their views. To have one Lording it over everyone else (especially in a menacing manner) is not appropriate.

This country is a SECULAR one, with religious FREEDOM. A perfect Hegelian solution to the conflict between the extremes of Capitalism and Socialism, Freedom and Cooperation.

As far as Arlington goes - I'd say the markers should represent the faith of the soldier - just like their dog-tags do.
Which would probably leave most of them the way they are - but people of other traditions would be able to have their own 'memorial' symbol. You think the First Tribe members who fought in our wars wanted a "cross" on their graves? Not likely. It was Christianity that decimated their populations and annihilated their way of life. Children taken from their parents to be "civilized" - yeah, right.


No, that's not my point. When you have something in place for a hundred years, it goes from a religious item to a historical item and to remove it our demolish it would be the destruction of history. Find a statue to satan that has been in a park for a hundred years and it still would have the same historical and cultural validity.

Arlington--you do think that removing religious iconography from public land is not absolute then? Why? What makes it any different? If religious iconography has no place at all for any reason on public lands, then they should be removed too.

First Tribe gravesites and symbolism are protected as historical sites and artifacts now--so you don't think other historical artifacts be given the same consideration, or are they special in your book?

I just don't see any consistency with exceptions here and there and everywhere.



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 12:51 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

How do you compromise on values, ethics?

Compromise seen nowadays is where one side cedes their values and morals to the louder opposition.

It's like saying, "I'm right. So you need to agree that I am right. That's compromise."

What are YOU willing to cede in order to come about a compromise?



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 12:53 PM
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a reply to: AfterInfinity

So now we're going to post random quotes making select celebrities look bad in order to discredit the opposition's arguments? At least try to be relevant here.

Oh no, "we" are simply going to continue to stalk and attack BuzzyWigs' character with random allegations, because "we" can't stand that she has a backbone AND a brain. And good points worth making.

But I'm sure "we'll" bitch-slap her through the ice yet again - thinking this time she won't be able swim. *eyeroll*

So - what do you think of the thread, AI?

I'm becoming less agitated as I realize that it was probably overstated - I knew about these people last year, and they scared me then. I will say that recent Supreme Court rulings about unlimited lobbying, corporate "person-hood", and so forth have bothered me. But I think our country will stay the course of sanity. Maybe.

Looks like it's still grinding along without regressing back to tyranny so far.




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