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Muslim asking question and then wishes she hadn't! Great response :)

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posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 05:18 AM
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originally posted by: DarknStormy
That would mean that Woman want Sharia also. .

Because they don't know anything else except the propaganda that has been spewed at them their whole lives. No fresh air and no freedom of information. And if they dared to say 'I don't want to be muslim', they'd be stoned to death for apostasy.




posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 05:42 AM
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originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: FlyersFan
300 Million Extremist Muslims. The 75% of Muslims who are moderate become irrelevant. The 300 Million can inflict heavy damage on the world. Yeah ... she got it right. It's something to be concerned about. And she backed it up with a whole lot of history of this happening in other cultures ... like Japan World War II and the Russians etc etc ....



300 million extremist I would love to see proof of that. If there were 300 million of them they could basically take over any nation they wanted. The Heritage Foundation just pulls facts out of their ass.

I believe there are so many extremist, they do want to see western civilization destroyed but dont know how to get together to do it.



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 05:46 AM
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a reply to: FlyersFan

It takes a great deal of courage for a Muslim to speak out about the problems inherent within Islam, especially for Muslim women. They have serious consequences to face, namely death.




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posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 05:52 AM
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a reply to: Hongkongphooey

interesting answer but didnt answer the question , just tells us we ignore the peaceful humans and kill regardless
ok so what are the US doing about the ideology the answer nothing, they don't want to address the ideology because it like the peaceful people is irrelevant its western democracy or nothing.

What are the peaceful muslims doing to address the radical ideology , since there are more of the peaceful ones than the radical ones , shouldnt they be speaking out in the millions or are they scared or what, I have seen reports of protests ,but on a government level , where are the nations of islam fighting this illness, where are the imams speaking out against the violence if the majority are peaceful



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 06:41 AM
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a reply to: Kandinsky

Her points and her entire argument hit the mark. Constantly we see a lot of people, even in these forums, claim that "there are no radical Muslims, it was all invented by the CIA", or other claims like "the CIA is paying people to proclaim they are radical Muslims"...

Unfortunately there is a large percentage of muslim radicals, 15%-25% out of 1.2 billion Muslims is a large number. It is not the majority, not even half, but still a big number of radicals. One of the main problems why there are so many radical Muslims is because whether all Muslism, including moderates, want to admit it or not Mohammed was a radical.

Mohammed took slaves, including slave/wifes that were seen as "spoils of war". On occasion Mohammed would cut off the heads of enemies even after they would surrender. Mohammed's profession was as a raider, he raided caravans and his policy was to spread Islam by any means necessary including by force. Mohammed even went against many of the mandates he wrote in the Quran, such as the maximum number of slave/wifes a Muslim could have is 4. Yet Mohammed had 12 slave/wifes, one of them merely a child. But, even when we have evidence of what Mohammed had done, there are people to this day that don't understand why there would be Muslim radicals with their minds set to destroying western civilization, and supplant it with their caliphate? Well, all that people have to do to understand why there is so large a number of Muslim radicals is to look at the life of their prophet.

Can you imagine how different the world would be if Jesus had taken up a sword, raided caravans, and whenever he had a whim he would cut off the heads of people who had surrendered? I am not talking about the choices of people from the dark ages, and other Judeo-Christian radicals. I am talking about how different the world would be today if Jesus himself would have done the things that Mohammed did. I am not saying that there are no Judeo-Christian radicals because there are. But if Jesus had been a raider, a murderer, a slave trader etc, there would be millions upon millions of radical Judeo-Christians doing the same thing Muslim radicals have been doing to this day.




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posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 06:45 AM
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originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: DarknStormy
That would mean that Woman want Sharia also. .

Because they don't know anything else except the propaganda that has been spewed at them their whole lives. No fresh air and no freedom of information. And if they dared to say 'I don't want to be muslim', they'd be stoned to death for apostasy.


That's your opinion which was drawn from Western propaganda..



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 06:50 AM
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a reply to: DarknStormy

Know any Muslims?

Know any Muslim women?

Something tells me that any opinion you don't agree with you will label "propaganda".



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posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 06:51 AM
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originally posted by: imod02
I believe there are so many extremist, they do want to see western civilization destroyed but dont know how to get together to do it.


All they have to do is nothing.. Western civilisation is a self destructing system... Trust me, the end of the West will come from inside the West, not some Jihadi group in Iraq.



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 06:53 AM
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originally posted by: seabhac-rua
a reply to: DarknStormy

Know any Muslims?

Know any Muslim women?


Yeah, I know Muslims.. They hold a different view to people here also.



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 06:54 AM
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a reply to: DarknStormy




Yeah, I know Muslims.. They hold a different view to people here also.


What views do they hold?
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posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 07:01 AM
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a reply to: seabhac-rua

Unlike Westerners, they hold their religion in high regard and there is nothing anyone can do to change that. Even the woman will fight for their religion, their attire and anything else that comes with Islam. I can tell you right now, they would take Sharia Law over demoncracy...



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 07:02 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

There are radicals but who create them?

Lets look at the current quagmire in the Middle East, who created that mess and the resultant militant groups that have come about from that mess?

We the west are very much complicit and its actions like selling arms to both sides, promoting groups that turn out to be terrorists regimes and then claiming that bombing Iraq is for their own good while perpetuating the sectarian divisions.

Religions, nearly all of them are peaceful in their nature because they promote actions and ideologies that bring out the humanity in people however it is we the people that dehumanise those aspects and use them for our own evil intent.

The crux of the matter is that we the west have been ******ing about a bit too much and pi$$ing off too many people to sit back and wonder why these people and their extreme views have come about...bombing a nation back to the stone age might sound good but its barbaric and results in more terrorists being created.

Its easy to throw percentages about then I can talk facts about the US and how dirty its laundry is right up to present day so who is the real terrorist?



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 07:09 AM
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a reply to: DarknStormy

That sounds like the Muslims I know too.

This discussion is not about which is better, democracy or Islam, though.

Did you watch the video I posted?



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 07:16 AM
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a reply to: old_god

Whilst I respect your view, it seems to be the atypical stance most people assume when they haven't examined the radical Islamic question carefully.

Again with the "blame the US".



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 07:19 AM
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originally posted by: TheSpanishArcher
I don't get it. She never answered the question, just rips the questioner. Her history lesson answered the question not at all.

I sure don't see the thread title as accurate but others mileage may vary. I'll just chalk this one up in the "whatever" category.


In my opinion, she did answer the question, by giving her examples through history lessons ,about ideologies that the peacefull majority, let those ideologies to thrive. Thus, rendering them pretty much "Irrelevant," cause they done nothing about it.

Peace



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 07:44 AM
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a reply to: seabhac-rua

They Guy in the video brings up some good points but there are some things that I disagree with. He clearly states that all Non-Believers or Muslims should be killed according to the Qu'ran but that is a blatant lie. There are two verses I always come back too and funnily enough they contradict each other which shows me that there is a deeper meaning to them. One thing about the Qu'ran is you cannot take some things literally, like most religious Books.

The first one proclaims that if you take Jews and Christians as your friends you become one of them and with that labels them unjust etc. The second a page or so later proclaims that any believing Christian, Jew or Muslim has nothing to fear when it comes to judgement etc.. So the Qu'ran does not promote the killing of all Non-Muslims, the Qu'ran is referring to anyone who is a Non-believer and it doesn't matter what religion you come from, including Islam.

Now obviously there are people who proclaim to follow those religions yet do not. The first part in my opinion is speaking about those people. The second part is a guarantee that it does not matter what religion you follow, if you observe the teachings and believe in God, Allah, what ever he's called, you are upholding your end of the deal.

I can agree that there is oppression in the Middle East, don't think that I believe there is none but in saying that, are those oppressors upholding what is truly taught in the Qu'ran? Have they taken Christians and Jews as their friends? These are the little things that can tell us who is who. Many so-called Islamic nations have pacts with the USA and Europe and funnily enough, they are the worst of the oppressors and the main sponsors of Islamic Extremism.


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posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 07:59 AM
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originally posted by: DarknStormy
That's your opinion which was drawn from Western propaganda..

Wrong again. The TRUTH is that to speak against Islam is 'apostasy' and it's the death penalty. Women in Islam aren't allowed the truth or freedom of religion. That's not propaganda. That's a fact. Heck, men aren't allowed it either. Try telling the truth about Muhammad and his fake visions in a muslim country and see how long you get to keep your head ...


a reply to: DarknStormy
Proof of indoctrination. No one can tell them the truth. They won't listen.

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posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 08:02 AM
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originally posted by: TDawgRex


Iran hasn't started a war because they can't. They are too weak to do so. But they can and do wage proxy wars. Try reading. The Library is filled with all sorts of verified documents that refute your nonsensical claims.


Iran hasn't started a war because they aren't hell bent on conquest. But if someone does start a war with them, you will see a strong Iran, they have built their army around self defence, not invading others.



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 08:16 AM
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a reply to: FlyersFan


originally posted by: FlyersFan
Pew Templeton Research

Reuters - Many in Muslim Lands Want Sharia


Over three-quarters of Muslims in the Middle East and North Africa, South Asia and Southeast Asia want sharia courts to decide family law issues such as divorce and property disputes, the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life said on Tuesday.



So, they want Sharia Law. What percentage of Christians in the world want laws that are based on their religion? 75%? 85%? How many Christians in the world want abortions to be illegal and want gay people to be denied marriage? That's Christian Law. Does that make them "radical"? And just because they want it, doesn't mean they'll get it. In fact, if we look at the Christian side, wanting Christian law isn't getting them very far. Abortion is legal and more gay people are getting married every day.

Does wanting something make people "radical"?

When I think of "radical" Muslims, I think of the people who are willing to take up arms and kill others who don't believe as they do. And remember, there's a LOT more to Sharia Law than killing people for what they do.

I don't want ANY kind of religious law in this country, but wanting something does not make one "radical".



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 08:17 AM
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a reply to: FlyersFan

Know what know all, show me where in the Qu'ran it teaches to oppress?

Since you know every in and out about Islam including the fake Moon God claim, Show me in the Qu'ran where it says that Governments are commended when they oppress their people.. You are one of those one eyed people Islam warns about... No spiritual intelligence what so ever.

No doubt you will just deflect to some ridiculous Mohammad insults because the Qu'ran does not teach to oppress people.

I guess this woman was forced to convert to Islam by the Taliban while she was being held captive? I guess the Christian activists who she was incarcerated with also were forced to convert to Islam?



Funny how we hear one thing and it's the exact opposite from another perspective.
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