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My solution to Islam (from a western POV)

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posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 12:29 PM
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originally posted by: HauntWok
Then why do Muslims say " there is one god, and Muhammad is his prophet"?

Take it up with the Muslims who were on the religion forum trying to claim that Christian scripture foretold of Muhammad and that the Christians 'holy spirit' was really Muhammad ... and that the Holy Spirit isn't God.

I for one think all religions are crap,

All religions have baggage full of crap.

you sick humans

So what are you? A space alien? You are a human and you go around defending Islam .. which according to you is crap. Sounds like you are conflicted. Make up your mind.




posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 12:49 PM
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a reply to: FlyersFan

I defend good people, not the religious ideology. you sick humans want to wage war over ideology. killing each other in the name of god.

how vile is that? Is that what you think god wants from its children?

You really want a war with Muslims because of their extremists? Doesn't that make you just as much an extremist as them?

without understanding is fear, and fear is no way to live.



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 02:45 PM
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originally posted by: demus
hypocrisy.

that is the word that describes this (and other similar) topics the best.

hypocrisy.

catch on every possible news flash, every little misunderstanding, every misrepresentation, every problem of a group, catch on every straw while at the same time excusing another group from their own misdeeds, problems, misunderstandings, historical mistakes...

,,,all due to lack of knowledge and understanding.

(constant brainwashing from multiple sources doesn't help either...)


If we where alive and part of those problems you could call us hypocrites, but everything you listed is before my time. I'm against all genocide and unjustifiable violence. Right now Islam is very guilty of it, and you've done nothing but deflect accountability.



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 03:11 PM
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originally posted by: shapur
I think we should all try to read and understand more about all religions including ours...Only with understanding and tolerance the human race will be able to see a bright future.Being narrow minded and dogmatic makes us as bad as any ones whom we are passionately criticizing...Understanding ,tolerance and respect is the only way to go,,history have had proven this point over and over for as long as humans have lived on this earth.


Why should we tolerate murder? Saying "I understand why you want to kill me" isn't going to save anyone. I'll stick to telling them their murderous ways are wrong.

I own the quran and the bible, I've read them, and don't have any respect for them. All the peaceful parts can be found in ANY religion, minus the jealous monotheistic god who demands violence. We'd be better off with out it.

Find me one single Buddhist quote that demands murder for disbelief....just one....

If good and evil spirits are real, then the god of abraham is an evil spirit. It's a wolf in sheep clothing.

I won't go to war with it, but we do need to make arguments against it. Sometimes relativists are just delusional. If you'd chop of your daughters head for going in public with out a male escort, your culture is inferior to mine, and I'm not sorry to say it.
edit on 07pm03pm312014-07-07T15:12:43-05:0003America/Chicago by mahatche because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 04:36 PM
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a reply to: FlyersFan

nobody claims Muhammad is the Holy Spirit.

www.openbible.info...



John 16:12-15 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.




John 14:15-16 “If you love me, you will keep my commandments. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,





John 15:26 “But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.






John 16:7 "Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you.





1 John 4:1-2 "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 08:38 PM
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according to some, elements within the vatican founded islam to destroy the early church int he middle east and their Bibles, which were banned in Europe in all languages but Latin. Many of the texts for the KJV/Geneva Bible came from middle eastern sources of the early church.

Walter Veith - (16) The Islamic Connection
www.youtube.com...
Rome created Islam - prove from Quran & Bukhari
youtu.be...

youtube: The Resurrection Argument That Changed a Generation of Scholars - Gary Habermas at UCSB youtu.be...
yt: Walter Veith (13) Battle of the Bibles /Total Onslaught
www.youtube.com...
yt: The Forbidden Book - History of The English Bible (Documentary Film)
www.youtube.com...
yt: A Lamp In The Dark:untold history of Bible ~ Full Film
www.youtube.com...



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 08:56 PM
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a reply to: TDawgRex I agree with you, that day may come sooner than we think. It's like a disease / cancer that eventually will have to taken care of. Let's hope it stays in the low value countries that are used to this crap for the last thousand years. Any group, religion or government that mistreats women and young girls need to exterminated!



posted on Jul, 7 2014 @ 11:38 PM
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originally posted by: Verum1quaere
according to some, elements within the vatican founded islam to destroy the early church int he middle east and their Bibles, which were banned in Europe in all languages but Latin. Many of the texts for the KJV/Geneva Bible came from middle eastern sources of the early church.

Walter Veith - (16) The Islamic Connection
www.youtube.com...
Rome created Islam - prove from Quran & Bukhari
youtu.be...

youtube: The Resurrection Argument That Changed a Generation of Scholars - Gary Habermas at UCSB youtu.be...
yt: Walter Veith (13) Battle of the Bibles /Total Onslaught
www.youtube.com...
yt: The Forbidden Book - History of The English Bible (Documentary Film)
www.youtube.com...
yt: A Lamp In The Dark:untold history of Bible ~ Full Film
www.youtube.com...


You know when i looked into this a couple of years ago there is indeed evidence that Islam was created to destroy Judaism by the roman catholic church. This is also the reason according to some that the vatican tries to reign in the monster it created when it started going after roman catholics as well. Which makes some sense to some extent because oddly before the crusades there were deep ties between the vatican and Islam. Many of these teachers were in fact Roman catholics as they were the educators in the middle east. If you follow this its actually interesting since muhammad was groomed by the church as a replacement for christ to give him a validity. Realize he had no power or influence was nobody until he started to embrace the teachings of the roman catholics and later expand on them.



posted on Jul, 8 2014 @ 12:49 AM
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you have brought in a new perspective that I was not aware of. But I doubt the Vatican can create or make manifest dark angels to deliver teachings
a reply to: dragonridr



posted on Jul, 8 2014 @ 02:22 AM
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originally posted by: TDawgRex
a reply to: BlackNWhite
All I ask of others is that you state your stance with a coherent message. Don't try to cram it down my throat as you will not like the response.

And yes, I do think that if other countries lived as the US, the UK, Germany, Japan, South Korea, etc, the world would be a better place. At least in those places, there is room for dissent. There is no room for dissent in the Islamic world.


The world would be a much better place if your government didnt stick their nose where it doesent belong. Syria and Lybia were functional countries untill your government decided to support and fund some of the most vile and disgusting people that this world has ever seen. Now, those countries are breeding grounds for extremists.Hell, even Iraq was a better place under Saddam than it is today. Your government have spread more death and mayhem than any Muslim leader in the modern history, thats a fact !



posted on Jul, 8 2014 @ 03:32 AM
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An interesting post, I have been following this subject for well over 10 years now and have come to the conclusion that islam is not a religion but a nationality that also has lots of the markers of a world wide firm. They want to grow as fast as possible, take over as much as possible, gain as much power as possible, and have little care for anyone who gets in there way. They are just like our multi national firms ( TPTB) but they are more direct and use openly the gun and bomb.
So I see the fight as been between our TPTB and there TPTB. Its simple really , choose which TPTB you want and get on with life, if you want someone to blame , blame capitalism, because all this fighting is about money, power, and greed.



posted on Jul, 8 2014 @ 03:57 AM
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originally posted by: BlackNWhite

originally posted by: TDawgRex
a reply to: BlackNWhite
All I ask of others is that you state your stance with a coherent message. Don't try to cram it down my throat as you will not like the response.

And yes, I do think that if other countries lived as the US, the UK, Germany, Japan, South Korea, etc, the world would be a better place. At least in those places, there is room for dissent. There is no room for dissent in the Islamic world.


The world would be a much better place if your government didnt stick their nose where it doesent belong. Syria and Lybia were functional countries untill your government decided to support and fund some of the most vile and disgusting people that this world has ever seen. Now, those countries are breeding grounds for extremists.Hell, even Iraq was a better place under Saddam than it is today. Your government have spread more death and mayhem than any Muslim leader in the modern history, thats a fact !


No its not you believe internet revisionist history. There was no massive funding in libya the UK and France got all upset about the attacks by Gaddafi after the UN report and UN resolution trying to get Libya to stop attacking his own cities in bombing campaigns. After the UN report the issue was sent to the security council where it was decided to set up a no fly zone to prevent the bombings. Than as French and british were patrolling the skys this grounded Gaddafi's air force problem solved. Well not really than french and british pilots started reporting back that Gaddafi's forces starting using tanks and artillery to destroy entire towns.This made the french and the British irate so they called on Nato support the US set up a naval blockade and the french and the british ran sorties destroying artillery and tanks. This leveled the playing field allowing Gaddafi to be killed while he was captured during the Battle of Sirte.

This effectively ended NATO involvement a UN peacekeeping force went in but didnt have the military support to maintain order and the government fell apart quickly.



posted on Jul, 8 2014 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: demus
The problem is that names just get translated and altered. I can show you even name of grandson of prophet of Islam in the gospels approved by Vatican !



posted on Jul, 8 2014 @ 01:34 PM
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the way of prayer - prostrating.

(there is more in common between us then you know and knowledge is the solution)




"And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." - New Testament (Matthew 26:39)





"And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped." - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Exodus 34:8)





And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the LORD with [their] faces to the ground. - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Nehemiah 8:6)





"And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Joshua 5:14)



posted on Jul, 9 2014 @ 02:45 AM
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a reply to: demus

Knowledge isnt the solution its compromise. Problem is religions dont understand this word at all and tend to try to force their views and well in general do not look for any means to allow anything other than what they believe. Bottom line is religion causes wars people fight for beliefs. Christianity did it as it was growing remember the old testament an eye for an eye. As time passed it was tempered so to speak and most people no longer fight for christianity either you believe it or you dont. Islam still has a long way to go to get to this point right now its rigid and unyielding which leads to conflict. I personally think if religion disappeared tomorrow the world would be a better place.



posted on Jul, 10 2014 @ 04:25 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr

"religions" don't "cause wars" and never did.

people ARE fighting and willing to die for a belief, religious or other I agree with that.

so religion is often very good excuse, like a kids story, explanation of Why of WAR.

Belief, like Democracy: many people have strong belief in Democracy and many are willing to die for it or at least support others in doing so.

Words like FREEDOM: how many good men died "for freedom"?

but is it religion causing wars?

No, it is used as a perfect tool of manipulation along other ideologies, people were/are willing to die for communism, fascism, democracy...

organized religion itself cannot be excused from the bad things that happened and that are happening but it is not the religious teaching to blame.

often Crusades are mentioned...

Brothers! Crusades were just partly religious conflict, religion was used as a tool to gather the support in a campaigns of pursuing riches of this world, gold, fame, territory and control.

Surely misled believers were sure they are fighting on the good side, aren't we all often "on the right side", but the truth of the religion is deeper than the superficial manipulation.

you can say "religion causes wars" period but it is a superficial explanation, why would you deprive yourself from the whole picture?



posted on Jul, 12 2014 @ 03:50 PM
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originally posted by: demus
a reply to: dragonridr

"religions" don't "cause wars" and never did.

people ARE fighting and willing to die for a belief, religious or other I agree with that.

so religion is often very good excuse, like a kids story, explanation of Why of WAR.


I've seen violent Buddhists, but I've never seen a quote from Buddha demanding violence.

The same is not true for the religions of Abraham. Your holy books are full of orders to kill. Some sections read like holy war field manuals. The reason why it's a very good excuse, is because it's reality. These religions have a constant supply of aggressors, and we keep saying that they "take it out of context" but they've been "taking it out of context" for as long as they've existed.

These aren't religious extremists, they are fundamentalists.



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 02:48 PM
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originally posted by: mahatche

originally posted by: demus
a reply to: dragonridr

"religions" don't "cause wars" and never did.

people ARE fighting and willing to die for a belief, religious or other I agree with that.

so religion is often very good excuse, like a kids story, explanation of Why of WAR.


I've seen violent Buddhists, but I've never seen a quote from Buddha demanding violence.

The same is not true for the religions of Abraham. Your holy books are full of orders to kill. Some sections read like holy war field manuals. The reason why it's a very good excuse, is because it's reality. These religions have a constant supply of aggressors, and we keep saying that they "take it out of context" but they've been "taking it out of context" for as long as they've existed.

These aren't religious extremists, they are fundamentalists.



have you read one, yourself?

if not, how could you possibly know?

did somebody tell you?

what if they were wrong?

wouldn't it be fair to know that what you're going to criticize, whatever that might be?
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posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 03:14 PM
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a reply to: TDawgRex

We bend over backwards for these people but they don't reciprocate and they use our own political correctness against us my current bugbear is that all food is becoming halal,now this isn't done for free Islam is seeking billions to certify the entire worlds food supply and this money goes to Mosques,Muslim prosetylization and no doubt some to terrorists,I say if you want halal buy your own damn farms,grow your own damn animals and do your own barbaric processing with some items like milk and cheese its impossible to avoid buying halal but wherever possible I dont....O well there's still yummy bacon,pork chops and pork roasts.



posted on Jul, 14 2014 @ 03:48 PM
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I think I will really, really be glad when the fu***** oil runs out in the ME. THEN we will see what the radical muslims do when the rest of the world MSM ignores them. When the Sauds money pit starts running out.




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