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My solution to Islam (from a western POV)

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posted on Jul, 6 2014 @ 03:08 AM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: LightningStrikesHere

If you take every death caused by a terrorist attack (including 9/11) over the past 30 years - and then add in everyone killed by mob violence in Islamic countries - it would absolutely pale in comparison to the number of Muslims that have been killed by the American military in the same time period.

In just the Iraq war alone, the US managed to kill nearly a million Iraqis - a large percentage of whom were civilians who had nothing to do with the conflict. Add to that the number of Muslims killed in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, etc in the so-called "War on Terror".

Anyone puzzled why there might be so much hatred towards the US around the Islamic world?



Who are the real terrorist?

This thread is pure islamphobia ....




I agree but i also have to ask what causes it. And i think partly its islams lack of conformity.Islam is a strict religion and their views of right and wrong are not up for interpretation. Isalam because of its strict adherence is easily by individuals who give their interpretation and use it to gain power.



What do you mean their views of right and wrong ?
Let's do a little list of "views of right and wrong"

Drinking ,drugs OK in Islam ? Nay..

Is it OK in America ? Yay

Porn OK in Islam ? Nay

In america ? Yay


You mean views like this ?



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posted on Jul, 6 2014 @ 03:12 AM
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originally posted by: wulff

originally posted by: demus
a reply to: wulff

it makes you wonder why would USA ever want to support extremists...

you have to ask yourself; why did USA provided aid, training and logistic support to various groups of extremist "rebels" in many countries; even organized some death squads itself.

why?

I misunderstood you and actually gave you a star, the media I see is more pro-Islamic than anything else, to attack the OP for stating facts is 'ignorance' !!!
Give me a star to offset the one I erroneously gave you!


What facts exactly?



posted on Jul, 6 2014 @ 03:16 AM
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This post reads like there will never be a comprehensive answer to the Islamic question, perhaps in another 1,400 years there might be?



posted on Jul, 6 2014 @ 03:26 AM
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a reply to: demus

They have been indoctrinated since birth to believe their country is on the moral highroad. So telling them its not, is the same as telling them that their entire belief system is a lie. The psychological impact of that realization can be disastrous so their brain will do anything to protect itself, even making the obvious, illogical, and not worthy of thought.

When the pillars of ones belief system are broken down, what is believable, what is not. Even lizard people are a possibility, as the brain no longer has the filters to make logical sense of anything.



posted on Jul, 6 2014 @ 03:34 AM
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originally posted by: glend
a reply to: demus

They have been indoctrinated since birth to believe their country is on the moral highroad. So telling them its not, is the same as telling them that their entire belief system is a lie. The psychological impact of that realization can be disastrous so their brain will do anything to protect itself, even making the obvious, illogical, and not worthy of thought.

When the pillars of ones belief system are broken down, what is believable, what is not. Even lizard people are a possibility, as the brain no longer has the filters to make logical sense of anything.


Bravo! Flawless victory !

More internets to you !



posted on Jul, 6 2014 @ 04:10 AM
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I honestly cannot comprehend, how on a site where the motto is Deny ignorance, somebody could make a thread essentially advocating and justifying genocide - and that the thread would be firstly allowed but secondly flagged.
This could have been ripped straight out of the Norway mass murderer Anders Brievik's manifesto.
This wouldn't be out of place on stormftont or some other hate site.

ATS should be ashamed for allowing this to be posted.



posted on Jul, 6 2014 @ 04:11 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: FlyersFan

Really, quoting from The Blaze is merely to invoke justified claims of radical right-wing nonsense.

Could we look at some of the actual results of the Pew Survey instead, here: Executive Summary - Pew Research



At the same time, the survey finds that even in many countries where there is strong backing for sharia, most Muslims favor religious freedom for people of other faiths.


And ...



The survey – which involved more than 38,000 face-to-face interviews in 80-plus languages with Muslims across Europe, Asia, the Middle East and Africa – shows that Muslims tend to be most comfortable with using sharia in the domestic sphere, to settle family or property disputes. In most countries surveyed, there is considerably less support for severe punishments, such as cutting off the hands of thieves or executing people who convert from Islam to another faith. And even in the domestic sphere, Muslims differ widely on such questions as whether polygamy, divorce and family planning are morally acceptable and whether daughters should be able to receive the same inheritance as sons.


And ...



Overall, the survey finds that most Muslims see no inherent tension between being religiously devout and living in a modern society. Nor do they see any conflict between religion and science. Many favor democracy over authoritarian rule, believe that humans and other living things have evolved over time and say they personally enjoy Western movies, music and television – even though most think Western popular culture undermines public morality.


So, FlyersFan, based on the actual research conducted, rather than the mindless ideology from Glennbeckistan, it would seem that your "Category D" doesn't really exist ... at least not in the way you've presented it based on your cited evidence.


"Category D" was proven in Kenya when they attacked innocents in a shopping mall, in Nigeria where Al Shabaab have been waging war on the indiginous Christians for the last few years - most recently kidnapping 200 Christian schoolgirls, even in Syria - once considered one of the most tolerant states in the Middle East where Christian and Muslim lived perfectly happily and cooperatively next to and around eachother. In London, there have been repeated instances of these people proclaiming Sharia Law over areas where they are a minority - and I don't see any of their people coming out to stop it. Speaking of London, Lee Rigby.

So, Gryphon66, based on the actual facts going on, rather than the mindless ideology from the treacherous and complicit left, it would seem that "Category D" DOES really exist...in the way presented based on what can be seen with our eyes.



posted on Jul, 6 2014 @ 04:15 AM
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originally posted by: stargatetravels
I honestly cannot comprehend, how on a site where the motto is Deny ignorance, somebody could make a thread essentially advocating and justifying genocide - and that the thread would be firstly allowed but secondly flagged.
This could have been ripped straight out of the Norway mass murderer Anders Brievik's manifesto.
This wouldn't be out of place on stormftont or some other hate site.

ATS should be ashamed for allowing this to be posted.


hey! as long as it anti - Islam...



posted on Jul, 6 2014 @ 04:20 AM
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a reply to: demus


Yeah exactly.
Some time ago ATS made a big deal about banning threads about Hitler, like people saying he did some good things or was misunderstood - however it seems his ideals are alive and well on ATS.
Fascism - don't you just love it?



posted on Jul, 6 2014 @ 04:24 AM
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originally posted by: stargatetravels
a reply to: demus


Yeah exactly.
Some time ago ATS made a big deal about banning threads about Hitler, like people saying he did some good things or was misunderstood - however it seems his ideals are alive and well on ATS.
Fascism - don't you just love it?


Just to confirm, you are decrying what you (falsely) label as "fascism", but you are demanding people stop discussing matters and having opinions you don't like/agree with - actual fascism?

Does the left genuinely have no shame or do you actually put effort into it?



posted on Jul, 6 2014 @ 04:33 AM
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a reply to: dmfsb

19 pages and I am still waiting for you to say anything of substance.

I imagine it is hard to make a valid point if your knowledge about particular subject is only superficial and you intention is to feed your own insecurities.



posted on Jul, 6 2014 @ 04:36 AM
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a reply to: dmfsb

Advocating genocide.
ATS is a privately owned website that has in the past made it clear that topics like this are not welcome, I'm merely stating that to that end, I'm confused as to why this thread is allowed?
This is ATS not Stormfront and not some European extreme right hate site.
If you cannot understand the difference then that's on you.



posted on Jul, 6 2014 @ 04:38 AM
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a reply to: dmfsb

Linking together terrorist actions does not prove "Category D" at all. Not even a little bit. "Category D" requires a cohesive, coordinated, intentional relationship between all the events you listed, as part of some overall master plan, and you offer zero evidence of that.

ADDED IN EDIT: Further Flyers' 'Category D' relied solely on evidence that was supposedly from the Pew research that I linked and quoted from, although at least that was an actual argument. The fact of the matter is that the report was grossly misrepresented on the site that was linked, unsurprisingly. You're providing a series of unrelated events and claiming a connection for which none exists.

The ludicrous references in your posts to "the left" and the supposed errors, crimes, and dishonesties of same, are equally unsubstantiated. What do you mean when you refer to "the left"? What people comprise it? What evidence can you offer of a) the existence of such a group outside your own mind and words and b) that this group exhibits any of the characteristics you keep assigning to it.

Your posts are mere overblown rhetoric unless you offer evidence, and merely stating that thus-and-so exists is NOT evidence.
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posted on Jul, 6 2014 @ 04:41 AM
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Reading through this thread there are two prevailing views.

1) kill them kill their children, kill their women, kill their goats, kill their camels etc, then kill em twice, just to be sure.

2) leave them alone and let them deal with their own extremists and problems.

gee, which one of these groups tends to also be on these same forum, talking about how they hate the US government for not staying out of the lives of her citizens?

Anyone else see the hypocrisy?

here's a question, would you want the same tactics used against American extremists? You know, the ones buying guns left and right, spitting out the declaration of independence as their own personal licence to kill?

Think about it, put yourself in their shoes.



posted on Jul, 6 2014 @ 04:41 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: dmfsb

Linking together terrorist actions does not prove "Category D" at all. Not even a little bit. "Category D" requires a cohesive, coordinated, intentional relationship between all the events you listed, as part of some overall master plan, and you offer zero evidence of that.

The ludicrous references in your posts to "the left" and the supposed errors, crimes, and dishonesties of same, are equally unsubstantiated. What do you mean when you refer to "the left"? What people comprise it? What evidence can you offer of a) the existence of such a group outside your own mind and words and b) that this group exhibits any of the characteristics you keep assigning to it.

Your posts are mere overblown rhetoric unless you offer evidence, and merely stating that thus-and-so exists is NOT evidence.


It's a very, very sad day when people put so much effort into denying what they can see in front of them for the sake of political expediency and preservation of feelings.

You know very well the attacks in Kenya, the attacks in Nigera and the ongoing civil war in Somalia are part of a concerted effort to bring extremist Islam to this region, but you won't admit it. It's a shame.



posted on Jul, 6 2014 @ 04:48 AM
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I find a lot of sadnesses in the world, most of all, those who exist only to cause dissention where none exists.

In fact, I do not know that those attacks are coordinated, and specifically, I do not believe that those acts are part of a coordinated, world-wide effort among "Islam" to establish the Caliphate as is the obsession of Mr. Beck's Blaze.

The only shame I see here comes from posts made by self-declared "experts" that do nothing except distract from the topic at hand while offering no evidence of the claims that are made.



posted on Jul, 6 2014 @ 05:38 AM
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originally posted by: dmfsb

You know very well the attacks in Kenya, the attacks in Nigera and the ongoing civil war in Somalia are part of a concerted effort to bring extremist Islam to this region, but you won't admit it. It's a shame.



I agree it is a shame that foreign powers are helping extremist nutjobs to spread their false ideology.



posted on Jul, 6 2014 @ 06:17 AM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
Flyers' 'Category D' relied solely on evidence that was supposedly from the Pew research that I linked and quoted from, although at least that was an actual argument. The fact of the matter is that the report was grossly misrepresented on the site that was linked,


*sigh* Alright ... here is the info straight from the research centers and news reports. Sharia is a cancer on humanity .. and it's spreading. It is archaic nonsense and it causes de-evolution. No freedom of religion. No freedom of the press. No freedom of speech. Women treated as second class citizens without equal rights. Homosexuals put to death for being gay. Rape victims given 100 lashes for 'adultry'. Cutting off the hands of children who steal. And yes, we've had muslims here who support those things and have said they can't wait for Christianity to die and Sharia to flourish. Sharia - the refusal to allow scientific facts such as evolution or that noahs ark didn't happen to be discussed. It's 'Apostasy' and punishable by death to tell the truth when it runs counter to their mythology. And don't draw a political cartoon about Islam .. you''ll have a 'wanted dead, 1 million $ bounty' put on your head by the authorities.

Pew Templeton Research

Reuters - Many in Muslim Lands Want Sharia

REUTERS - Large majorities in the Muslim world want the Islamic legal and moral code of sharia as the official law in their countries, but they disagree on what it includes and who should be subject to it, an extensive new survey says.

Over three-quarters of Muslims in the Middle East and North Africa, South Asia and Southeast Asia want sharia courts to decide family law issues such as divorce and property disputes, the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life said on Tuesday.

Views on punishments such as chopping off thieves' hands or decreeing death for apostates is more evenly divided in much of the Islamic world, although more than three-quarters of Muslims in South Asia say they are justified.


Under Sharia ignorance THIS sort of thing happens -

9 Month Old Booked For Murder in Pakistan
Pregnant Christian woman sentenced to death in Sudan
Christian Pastor in Iran sentenced to Death for not Converting to Islam
Human Rights Watch - Sexual Minorities Discrimination and Violence - Iran - Based on Religion
Saudi Arabia - women can't vote or drive - culture based on religion
40 Percent of UK Muslims want Sharia
FATWA issued - Humans Going to Mars is Immoral Because it's a One Way Trip
Brunei Introduces Draconian Sharia Law

The initial phase beginning on Thursday introduces fines or jail terms for offences ranging from indecent behaviour, failure to attend Friday prayers, and out-of-wedlock pregnancies.

A second phase covering crimes such as theft and robbery is to be implemented later this year, involving more stringent penalties such as severing of limbs and flogging.

Late next year, punishments such as death by stoning for offences including sodomy and adultery will be introduced.


Sharia Spreading - 85 'Courts' In UK

Mr MacEoin said: 'Among the rulings we find some that advise illegal actions and others that transgress human rights standards as applied by British courts.'

Examples set out in his study include a ruling that no Muslim woman may marry a non-Muslim man unless he converts to Islam and that any children of a woman who does should be taken from her until she marries a Muslim.
Further rulings, according to the report, approve polygamous marriage and enforce a woman's duty to have sex with her husband on his demand.

The report added: 'The fact that so many sharia rulings in Britain relate to cases concerning divorce and custody of children is of particular concern, as women are not equal in sharia law, and sharia contains no specific commitment to the best interests of the child that is fundamental to family law in the UK. 'Under sharia, a male child belongs to the father after the age of seven, regardless of circumstances.'


Parts of UK Declared by Extremists as 'Sharia Law Zone'

Under his brutal set of rules, there would be a ban on alcohol, gambling, drugs, music, smoking and homosexuality, as well as on men and women mixing in public.

This is all part of Izzadeen’s concerted campaign to defeat ‘Western decadence’ and turn large parts of Britain — where, his supporters say, ‘people live like animals in a jungle’ — into an Islamic Emirate.

Already, 20,000 yellow leaflets have been printed by Islamic activists, saying ‘You are entering a Sharia controlled zone. Islamic rules enforced.’ The leaflets have been stuck onto lamp-posts, put up in shop windows and on pillar boxes. As fast as the police and council officials tear them down, more go up.


And if people want to leave that nonsense they get put to death by stoning. Ditto for adultery.
Daily Caller

86 percent of Muslims in Pakistan, 84 percent in Afghanistan, 81 percent in the Palestinian territories, 80 percent in Egypt, 65 percent in Jordan, 57 percent in Iraq and 54 percent in Malaysia and Bangladesh favor stoning as a lethal punishment for adultery. A majority of Muslims in several countries also support the death penalty for Muslims who convert away from Islam, including in Afghanistan (79 percent), Egypt (88 percent), Pakistan (75 percent), the Palestinian territories (62 percent), Jordan (83 percent) and Malaysia (58 percent).



posted on Jul, 6 2014 @ 06:42 AM
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a reply to: FlyersFan

You truly are an ignorant fool ...

Constantly spreading lies and disinformation these boards about Islam.
No mater how many times my self and other members tell your copy and pasted bias information is most often always propaganda and the product of someone's wrongful interpretation and innovation you continue to be a fear mongering cancer .

Its disgusting ....




Today, most Western opinions of what life would be like for non-Muslims under Islamic rule are based on ignorance and fear. This fear is compounded further by media reports about behaviors in “Muslim” countries that most Americans -- ignorant of Al-Islam -- take to be Sharia Law. Repeatedly, mainstream media reports on “practices” in such countries as Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries -- whose “Laws” DO NOT REPRESENT true Sharia Law -- as sterling examples of Sharia rule. In many of these countries, Sharia is mixed with non-Islamic cultural practices, contrary to the objectives and intentions of the Sharia. Western media has associated Sharia Law with cruelty, backwardness, intolerance, anti modernism and opposed to democratic goals such as life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Our aim is to dispel some of these myths surrounding Sharia Law, and show it in its true light.

It is interesting to note that in 1602, after 800 years of Sharia rule and right after the Christians recaptured Spain, one of the great charges the Christians brought against Muslims was that Muslims were too tolerant in religion. The Archbishop of Valencia, in recommending the expulsion of Muslims from Spain stated:



www.ascertainthetruth.com...:dispelling-myths-about-sharia-law-in-al-islam-part-1-&catid=64:un derstanding-al-islam&Itemid=53





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posted on Jul, 6 2014 @ 06:48 AM
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originally posted by: LightningStrikesHere
a reply to: FlyersFan

You truly are an ignorant fool ...

Constantly spreading lies and disinformation these boards about Islam.
No mater how many times my self and other members tell your copy and pasted bias information is most often always propaganda and the product of someone's wrongful interpretation and innovation you continue to be a fear mongering cancer .

Its disgusting ....




Today, most Western opinions of what life would be like for non-Muslims under Islamic rule are based on ignorance and fear. This fear is compounded further by media reports about behaviors in “Muslim” countries that most Americans -- ignorant of Al-Islam -- take to be Sharia Law. Repeatedly, mainstream media reports on “practices” in such countries as Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries -- whose “Laws” DO NOT REPRESENT true Sharia Law -- as sterling examples of Sharia rule. In many of these countries, Sharia is mixed with non-Islamic cultural practices, contrary to the objectives and intentions of the Sharia. Western media has associated Sharia Law with cruelty, backwardness, intolerance, anti modernism and opposed to democratic goals such as life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Our aim is to dispel some of these myths surrounding Sharia Law, and show it in its true light.

It is interesting to note that in 1602, after 800 years of Sharia rule and right after the Christians recaptured Spain, one of the great charges the Christians brought against Muslims was that Muslims were too tolerant in religion. The Archbishop of Valencia, in recommending the expulsion of Muslims from Spain stated:



www.ascertainthetruth.com...:dispelling-myths-about-sharia-law-in-al-islam-part-1-&catid=64:un derstanding-al-islam&Itemid=53






The last time someone appeased and kowtowed as hard as you just did 6,000,000 Jews died in concentration camps.




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