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originally posted by: ketsuko
I would also say that it makes sense for a Pope who has recently played up the importance of "being good" to get to Heaven to now downplay in a sense the importance of having a personal relationship with God in favor of simply attending Church.
Think about it - it must comfort a lot of people to know that they only have to "be good" and attend Church every Sunday to go to Heaven now. No more worries about that icky finding God or accepting Him as your Savior bit which is usually the big stumbling block for most people.
originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: Wifibrains
The video speaker is a bit shrill but . . . with just cause.
The WHOLE PURPOSE of Christ's death on The Cross was to re-establish
one on one RELATIONSHIP between all who accepted His Blood as cleansing, covering and Salvation--WITH THE FATHER.
What a hideous travesty from hell is right.
The globalist collectivist side of him is coming to the fore.
May God have mercy.
Should I take that to mean you'd support a hierarchy that wasn't fossilized, etc.? I think your answer would be no, from what you've said in other places in your post. It seems then that the objection is to the existence of a structure, rather then the quality of the structure.
Choices have consequences. And to support a fossilized, corrupted, arrogant bureaucracy and trumped up LORDING IT OVER other believers is just outrageously UnBiblical and anti-authentic-Christianity.
originally posted by: charles1952
a reply to: BO XIAN
Dear BO XIAN,
Forgive me for imposing on your patience yet again.
I knew that I would have to respond to your post, but I still haven't found the words. Please be generous in interpreting anything I say, this time I don't have a diagram set out with what to cover (not that I ever do). I'm hip-shooting.
I completely agree that before Christ came we were never going to be clean enough to gain entrance to heaven to be with Him. The "salvation" of the peoples of the earth was the sort of goal that makes sense for a loving God. Restoring the "bridge" we could cross to God if we chose was a feat of love and mercy which will resound through the Universe for all time. FULL AGREEMENT WITH YOU.
Might I ask about your opinions of ETs? I realize some see them as demons. Is that widely accepted? I didn't think so, and I'm not sure that the Church thinks that.
I do believe that if there are aliens who aren't demons in disguise (which is possible), they could add information about theirsalvation story, but not about ours.
originally posted by: FlyersFan
The pope condemns personal relationship with Christ
That's NOT what he said.
Catholic Register - Pope Says Church is a Family That Welcomes and Teaches Us
Observing how our relationship with God “is personal but not private,” he stated that our journey of faith “is born of and enriched by the communion of the Church.”
“Whoever says they believe in God but not in the Church, has a direct relation with Christ outside of her, falls into an absurd dichotomy,” he noted, stating that “God has confided his saving message to human persons, to witnesses, and it is known to us through our brothers and sisters.”
However, to walk our path in the Church is not always easy, because “at times we encounter human weakness, limitations and even scandal in the life of the Church,” the Holy Father said.
But even so, “God has called us to know him and to love him precisely by loving our brothers and sisters, by persevering in the fellowship of the Church and by seeking in all things to grow in faith and holiness as members of the one body of Christ.”
Concluding his address, Pope Francis encouraged those present to keep in mind that, “as Christians, we cannot disregard the other, the Church; we cannot save ourselves on our own.”
He said that a personal relationship with Christ comes through the Church. That if you have a personal relationship with Christ, it's because it was brought to you by the Church. That the Church takes care of that relationship and helps it grow. He was stating that, without the church, it can wither away.
I agree and disagree with his statement.
The Church brought us scripture which brings us Jesus. The Church also brought us the great writings of the saints and the awesome prayers and mediations that bring us closer to God. But the legalities of the Church, as helpful as they can be, can also be a hinderance to many.
“Whoever says they believe in God but not in the Church, has a direct relation with Christ outside of her, falls into an absurd dichotomy,”