It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Wifibrains
He would say that, because his is a position which tops a hierarchy, whose entire existence is a heresy against Christ, and counter to his instructions to his people, and furthermore ignores the fundamental manner in which Christ comported himself.
Jesus Christ said "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. None cometh unto the Father, but through me.".
He did NOT say ANYTHING about a cadre of be-robed old men, nor about those men presiding over his people as conduits for worship, nor about those men holding sway over a massive amount of wealth, despite vows of poverty, and the needs of the people they are supposed to protect, NOR did He mention anything about creating a government like system, let alone a nation state, based on a corrupted version of His message to his people.
All of those things are inventions of Roman power brokers, who were desperately trying to cobble together a dirty version of Christianity, which would allow people to take up the new order, and none the less be controlled, their afterlives held for ransom by a disgusting, tyrannical and power hungry organisation, which ended up being little different to any other vast power structure in the world, ancient or modern.
Christ broke bread and taught people His message in the street, in their homes, and forged personal bonds with those he preached his message to. He was not a politician, nor a councilman, nor a tyrant, and therefore no tyranny which sprung up from his footsteps is of Him, but is either of man, or of Satan.
No man of mortal construction, nor any cabal of mortal beings, may stand between a person and Christ, without inciting his ire, without risking an eternity in the damned, black pit of Hell.
So it makes sense that the Pope would make such a statement as this, because as people realise the error of following the Roman method, he and his compatriots loose power in the world, which is all to the good, and the benefit of the entire Christian population in my humble opinion.
originally posted by: FlyersFan
I agree and disagree with his statement.
The Church brought us scripture which brings us Jesus. The Church also brought us the great writings of the saints and the awesome prayers and mediations that bring us closer to God. But the legalities of the Church, as helpful as they can be, can also be a hinderance to many.
Answer for yourself: Did you notice the sly mention of being "alive from the dead" as well? These people were already alive to whom Paul preached (THINK)! Paul was referring to their spiritual awakening (being now alive spiritually to their true nature [that they are vessels for God living in and thorough them in the physical realm] yet dead before in trespasses and sins prior to receiving this spirit initiation). Once they were baptized and immersed and initiated into Gnosis and the knowledge that within in dwells the Christ of God then they were no longer expected to live in submission to their lower self but unto their higher self (pneumatics). For Christians Gnostics this was their "Spiritual resurrection". We just saw in this "death, baptism, and spiritual resurrection" the Exodus allegory replayed through New Testament eyes where "the Christ" had accomplished for these believers the same benefit as Moses had done for Israel in the Old Testament. Arriving at this understanding only reinforced the idea that since they are all a part of God's Divine Consciousness within living flesh and matter then how dare they live unrighteously in light of the new knowledge of their true identity (that the Divine Spark of God lived within them).
Later Christian Literalists and proto-Catholics like Justin and Irenaeus rejected this Inner Mystery of Gnostic Christianity. They promoted the Outer Mysteries or the literal interpretation of the Joshua-Jesus allegory. They taught that an historical person called Jesus literally died and resurrected for us, and that if we believe this we will go to Heaven when we die, while if we disbelieve we will be condemned to torment in Hell. This has nothing to do with the understanding of the original Christians, however. They taught that we each need to resurrect for ourselves, because we are all dead and in Hell right now (in a symbolic sense).....
With characteristic irony, the Gnostics also describe the state of being identified with the physical body, which we normally think of as being awake, as falling asleep. Our "normal" state is not being alive and awake - it is being asleep and dreaming we are in Hell. Plotinus explains that to incarnate (be born) "is to descend into Hades and there fall asleep" (Plotinus, Enn., 1.8, quoted in T. Taylor, Oracles and Mysteries, 1995, p 60). The theme that this world was the Underworld was widely held, but rarely explicitly stated, by philosophers and poets in the ancient world. Taylor supplies passages from Empedocles, Heracitus, Plato, Philolaus and Clement of Alexandria that testify to the importance of this theme in the Pagan Mysteries. The Christian Secret Book of John urges, "Be wakeful so that you come out of heavy sleep and take off the clothes of Hades." "I am the Pronoia of the pure light; I am the thinking of the virginal Spirit, who raised you up to the honoured place. Arise and remember that it is you who hearkened, and follow your root, which is I, the merciful one, and guard yourself against the angels of poverty and the demons of chaos and all those who ensnare you, and beware of the deep sleep and the enclosure of the inside of Hades" (The Apocryphon of John, NRC, 2.1.31; in J.M. Robinson, 1978, p. 122; B. Layton, 1987, p. 141). The Christian text The Concept of our Great Power urges, "You are asleep and dreaming. Wake up" ("Yet you are sleeping, dreaming dreams. Wake up and return" (The Concept of our Great Power, NRC, 6.4.40, in Robinson, op. cit., p. 314).
We think we are alive, but really we are dead. We think we are awake, but really we are asleep and dreaming. We think we know who we are and what life is, but really we are lost in illusion. We need to resurrect. We need to wake up. We need Gnosis and knowledge concerning our true self...that we are one with Christ living in and through our earthly existence. Quoting a pre-existing hymn, Paul writes:
Eph 5:14 14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light. (KJV)
... your light, give me your mercy! My Redeemer, redeem me, for I am yours; the one who has come forth from you. You are my mind; bring me forth! You are my treasure house; open for me! You are my fullness; take me to you! You are (my) repose; give me the perfect thing that cannot be grasped!
But if you want to go forth and teach others, then it would be good if you did get that education first.