Grand Army of the Republic newly created in Maine

a reply to: hellobruce

There are certain Federal agencies that are aware of everything posted on this website, so to suggest that he doesn't know about it is just silly. Also, he is not the only individual involved in this declaration.

originally posted by: Chiftel

originally posted by: HauntWok
Someone has watched the star wars prequils far far too often.

ffs more idiots with guns.

Right wingnuttery run amok.

The future can only be socialist.

Anachronistic fossils' minds can't cope with the realization of this simple inevitable fact.

Just as slave owners could not cope with the realization that the future will be one without slaves and slaves masters, at least in the way they had grown accustomed to.

And that they would lose their arbitrary privilege over the slaves they 'owned', which were their 'property'.

So to the future will see private property, right and inheritance and money all abolished.

And their minds simply can't cope.

They try to justify their arbitrary privilege and abuse using the 'states' rights' canard.

It won't hold.

The future will either be socialist or an utter dystopia.

Libertarians, Republicans, 'freemen', 'sovereign citizens' and the likes minds simply can't cope.

They try and claim private property, right of inheritance and money itself are somehow not completely arbitrary. Which of course leads to nonsensical, circular sophistic syllogisms. All three of these institutions are very easily demonstrable to be completely arbitrary.

There is no non-arbitrary reason why one man should one factories, fields, land, resources and even the labour and fruits thereof of other people and another man should own nothing, nothing at all, and have no guaranteed source of income despite contributing at least as much, in real, tangible terms, to society as the first man. And usually significantly more.

Cause the rich don't really produce any real value, if they ever did. That the rich contribute to society enough to warrant even a tiny fraction of what they 'own' and 'earn' is bald faced lie. The rich are parasites.

There is no non-arbitrary justification for arbitrary privilege such as private property, right of inheritance and money. Of course, mention this to right wingers and their heads explode.

But the future will not suffer arbitrary privilege. At least to the degree that capitalism indulges in.

This pains right wingers.

Too #ing bad.

The future is also devoid of right wingnuttery, if there is any future at all.

This is the quote of someone who wants to suck off the teet of another's labor. There's no justification for that.

I think we are all going to have to just sit back and see. If General Ham doesnt approve of his name being used in conjunction with something of this Nature I expect to be seeing some form of statement distancing himself from it in the upcoming days. The guy who is pushing the release being an author sounds just a tad bit fishy but let us not forget that author could just be one of many titles this person has held. Benjamin Franklin was an author.

originally posted by: antoinemarionette
a reply to: hellobruce

There are certain Federal agencies that are aware of everything posted on this website, so to suggest that he doesn't know about it is just silly. Also, he is not the only individual involved in this declaration.

Yes, I am sure staff in federal agencies like a laugh as much as anyone -

So in fact there is zero proof Ham knows about it!

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: PraetorianAZ
If enough people rise up it doesnt matter what the legality of the situation is. All that matters is who comes out on top.

Yes, and we can all see how much the people want to rise up...Remember "Operation American Spring"? They claimed to be getting 10-30 million people at a protest in Washington, with 1 million to stay.

They got 1-2 thousand, quickly dwindling to 10-30 people (and a dog!)

Movements like this nonsense only work if the people want change, in the USA they do not.

While I agree Operation American spring did not turn out the way they wanted. Its because they went about it all wrong. People turn on the news and see thousands peacefully protesting this and that and they say oh thats nice but who cares. If they turned on the news and saw a couple thousand people actually storming Washington and executing politicians in the streets I think it would have a much larger impact on the American people. Probably enough to make people get there guns and join them.

Its like in the first American revolution nobody wanted to be the first to shoot but once shots were fired an entire country woke up grabbed guns and joined the fight. And that was just around 77 militia who stood up to hundreds of Red Coats. So if you take a couple thousand storming washington and the word gets out I have no doubt that thousands more will join the fight. Sounds to me like what this new Army is trying to do is get some shots fired and wake the people up.

originally posted by: PraetorianAZ
If they turned on the news and saw a couple thousand people actually storming Washington and executing polititions in the streets I think it would have a much larger impact on the American people.

Yes, they would have demanded that the government do something about the terrorists killing politicians, and would have cheered when the terrorists were stopped.

Also remember Operation American Spring wanted a military coup,with their own people put in charge as dictators!

a reply to: hellobruce

What kind of "proof" do you seek? Fingerprints on the paper copy? Written confirmation online?

I'm quite certain that if I "proved" it you would find oh so many reasons that it was not real "proof".

Let the proof people fight among themselves... I have proof of nothing.

a reply to: PraetorianAZ

Very interesting take on the situation, but if the Army has the backing and the strength intimated in the press release, would bloodshed be absolutely necessary? The alphabet agencies may recognize their own defeat and disarm willingly at that point.

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: PraetorianAZ
If they turned on the news and saw a couple thousand people actually storming Washington and executing polititions in the streets I think it would have a much larger impact on the American people.

Yes, they would have demanded that the government do something about the terrorists killing politicians, and would have cheered when the terrorists were stopped.

Also remember Operation American Spring wanted a military coup,with their own people put in charge as dictators!

Well even the British had loyalists sounds like we know what side you would take. Some people would demand the "terrorists" as you put them to be stopped but others would join the fight and attack the true terrorists the people in Washington. Who knows the outcome but I do know nothing will change with peaceful protest.

originally posted by: antoinemarionette
a reply to: PraetorianAZ

Very interesting take on the situation, but if the Army has the backing and the strength intimated in the press release, would bloodshed be absolutely necessary? The alphabet agencies may recognize their own defeat and disarm willingly at that point.

So you are also hoping for a military coup....

originally posted by: antoinemarionette
a reply to: hellobruce

What kind of "proof" do you seek? Fingerprints on the paper copy? Written confirmation online?

How about a press release from the Joint Chiefs of Staff? Or even General Ham himself?

Instead we have a "press release" from someone flogging a book!

originally posted by: antoinemarionette
a reply to: PraetorianAZ

Very interesting take on the situation, but if the Army has the backing and the strength intimated in the press release, would bloodshed be absolutely necessary? The alphabet agencies may recognize their own defeat and disarm willingly at that point.

I think a fight is inevitable...The government thinks that they are untouchable and we are thier serfs no way they will back down and submit to us just by show of force alone. They have been getting ready for this for years now. Buying ammo guns building bunkers and bulking their drone army. No way they will give up power and money without a fight no way. But we have the numbers.

And as far as the ABC agencies laying down their weapons it wont happen. They and their familys will be threatened with death and imprisionment if they do not fight.

Lets be honest. This could all be nonsense. On the other hand. This is the same general who was ordered to stand down when he could have stopped benghazi. There are rumors, and i admit only rumors, that he tried to ignore the stand down order and was relieved of duty by his 2nd in command. Rumors aside he was the General and head of Africom and benghazi happened on his watch and he was told to stand down. There are some people in this government that are legitimately ticked off about that. I can only imagine how many of the top brass in the military are angry as well. I wouldnt be surprised if there really was a small coalition of people that understand this beast that we call our federal government needs to be disbanded and returned to its original form. Me personally....I'm expecting something big this month, not necessarily about this either. Then again I'm always on the lookout for impending doom.

a reply to: rustyclutch

LOL rustyclutch and thanks for your great comments - you've made a smashing contribution to this post.

a reply to: PraetorianAZ

I also believe there will be some fighting, but I don't necessarily believe that it will be all out civil war.

Why?

Because the leaders of the shadow government that've been ruling the US since the Kennedy assassination realize that the jig is up, the people are no longer in total ignorance of their machinations, and they'll want to negotiate a settlement rather than be hung from the highest lamp post.

This could happen, particularly since everybody knows American citizens are armed to the teeth.

originally posted by: Murgatroid

originally posted by: Bilk22
a reply to: Granite
Maybe you need to see this.

RationalWiki is not a credible source.

In FACT, the National Enquirer has more credibility...

"Some of the most untrue bunch of lies that could ever be written in the entire world were written by RationalWiki. They claim that they are the truth and the holy appointed protectors of science and their subjects. They do not tell the truth. RationalWiki is the biggest con job on the internet. It is the National Enquirer of skeptical thought.

They are like Stormfront for intellectual people that pimp a platform of hate and scorn for those that they hate, no matter how wrong and biased that they are and kudos for those that they DO like. RationalWiki is the most biased thing out there on the internet today. They are NOT rational or intelligent. RationalWiki is a fraud factory. It is a quack’s encyclopedia. They are pseudo-intellectual quackery at its finest. RationalWiki is a joke!" Source

Well I stated in a later post I wasn't sure how credible either site was. How credible is the ATS post?

originally posted by: antoinemarionette
a reply to: PraetorianAZ

I also believe there will be some fighting, but I don't necessarily believe that it will be all out civil war.

Why?

Because the leaders of the shadow government that've been ruling the US since the Kennedy assassination realize that the jig is up, the people are no longer in total ignorance of their machinations, and they'll want to negotiate a settlement rather than be hung from the highest lamp post.

This could happen, particularly since everybody knows American citizens are armed to the teeth.

Don't be absurd - it's not going to happen. This is a fuss over a ridiculous press release put out by yet another nutcase.

I just had a conversation a few moments ago with Major General Paul E Vallely U.S. Army (Retired) in which we were discussing whether or not the UN had the capabilities of trying to exert any form of takeover of U.S. Sovereignty. I think we can all live with his answer....

His reply was,

"The UN cannot even run itself or fight a war....nonsense."

originally posted by: rustyclutch
This is the same general who was ordered to stand down when he could have stopped benghazi.

Except no stand down order was ever given over Benghazi....

mediamatters.org...

The Associated Press (AP) reported that congressional testimony from CIA officers and contractors who were in Libya the night of the September 11 Benghazi attacks once again revealed that no "stand down" orders were ever given, and that a faster response still could not have saved American lives.

originally posted by: Granite
a reply to: antoinemarionette
Yes, it's real...

It has just taken a long time to reach critical mass on the criminals in Church and State.
The first member to fell the heat by ITCCS.org was Pope Benedict...found guilty in Brussels ITTCS Court last year...peodephilia, murder, torture, etc..

It is all archived here: ITCCS Org

All Spring, witnesses have testified for the prosecutors against Pope Frances...same "Ninth Circle" Vatican/Royalty evilness as his predecessor.

The Queen's guards have been protecting her against arrest by Common Law Sherri'f's all Spring...she has to stay in England for the rest of her life...

Total and utter rubbish on all counts.

In the future if you wish to be taken seriously, do some research using credible sources. Then learn to spell and use grammar properly.