Close Encounters of a Fatal Kind ?

Whilst writing this thread up, I noticed Nick Redfern has released a new book covering this very same topic. But this all comes free so if you don’t like it then all you’ve wasted is your time reading it! Well that is until the new ATS 'subscription only service' starts in 2015 anyway**.

For more than 60 years there have been many stories about strange visitors, or the infamous “Men in Black”, threatening those who have had close encounters. There are even more about military officers telephoning and even visiting witnesses. The possibility of nasty consequences, if people ever speak of what they know, is often part of the conversation that follows.

There are also a string of deaths and suicides of scientists, investigators, military personnel, the rich and famous, and political figures where a dark, suspicious finger lingers. It points to something more than the coroner’s official verdict on the cause of death.

But where UFOs are involved, the proof, and the truth are never quite within reach.

There are numerous UFO related tales where we hear that witnesses have been threatened not to speak out. The implication being that their lives (and often the lives of their families) are in danger should they do so? Others that important people were eliminated for what they were about to reveal and some because they were actually victims of direct action by UFOs on our aircraft.

But is there any evidence to prove that such lethal actions have ever been taken?

There is some circumstantial evidence. But I’ll leave you to make up your minds as to how convincing it is.

Aliens v Aircraft - 1947




UFOs are not a threat according to many military and government officials around the world. However in Timothy Good’s book “Need to Know” he highlights some investigations made by Andy Kissner into aircraft crashes in the early summer of 1947. That very summer that Kenneth Arnold’s sighting of “saucers” and the alleged Roswell UFO crash occurred.

Were United States pilots being given shoot down orders? More importantly were the saucers carrying out retaliatory action?

He states that over 60 USAF and USN aircraft were lost in May/June in 1947.






The list looks impressive until you realize that many cases are not related to any UFO sightings at all. Then cast an eye on the number of aircraft lost in other years. Here’s a useful website to help.

accident-report.com...


We also must take into account that many pilots, including some of the very best, had lost their lives fighting in WWII and the US and other nations were testing new aircraft. However there are still some who believe there was more to the famous Thomas Mantell crash a year later in 1948 than the ‘official’ Project Bluebook explanation that he was following a Skyhook balloon.

en.wikipedia.org...

Interesting theories yes. But also conjecture and inconclusive.

The Mysterious Death of James Forrestal

One of the highest profile cases is the death of James Forrestal. During World War II he became Under Secretary of the Navy and in 1944 Secretary of the Navy. He was eventually appointed as the first US ‘Secretary of Defense’ in September of 1947 by President Truman.

The details of James Forrestal’s death could fill a book. Indeed they have done. James Vincent Forrestal remains one of the highest ranking U.S. government officials in history to have committed suicide.

Or did he?

Notified in January 1949, by Truman, that he was soon to be replaced as Secretary of Defense, Forrestal became increasingly paranoid and believed he was being followed by ‘foreign looking’ men. He eventually left his post on March 28th 1949 in a traumatised state.

Within 24 hours Forrestal had been hospitalised in Bethesda suffering from depression. A number of reports state the former Defence Secretary as claiming “they” (forces inside the government was one interpretation) were out to get him.

Forrestal was effectively isolated from most of his family and friends, particularly those he was closest to, despite personal requests to see them. By mid May reports stated that Forrestal’s condition had improved. On the 20th May 1949, Henry Forrestal (his brother), informed the hospital administrators he was going to take his brother out to the country for further convalescence. Henry was never to see his brother alive again.




Around 1:45 a.m. on May 22nd, apprentice attendant R.W. Harrison, checked in on the Secretary, to find him awake and copying a Sophocles poem. He then allegedly forgot to lock Forrestal’s door behind him. When he checked the room again at 1:50 a.m. Forrestal was gone.

A duty nurse reported hearing a loud sound from her window on the 7th floor. Forrestal’s body had hit the third floor roof. The authorities came to the conclusion that the patient, finding his door unlocked, walked across the hall to the kitchen, pushed open a window, knotted his bathrobe belt tightly around his neck and the other end to a small radiator below. Forrestal then lowered himself out of the window, and fell to his death as the knot slipped.

The reasons he became emotionally unstable, paranoid, and suicidal in the first place, has been the subject of much debate. But one theory involves what Forrestal may have known about Roswell, ET and UFOs. He was in place during the summer of 1947 to know everything about the UFO problem. By 1948 regular briefings were being arranged for the President. The ever elusive,” Estimate of the Situation” document supposedly concluded that some UFOs were extra-terrestrial in origin

Could the truth or the magnitude of the problem have got to Forrestal and caused him so much inner turmoil that he eventually committed suicide? Or perhaps his views on how to handle the issue were in contrast with the inner sanctum of the Military Industrial Complex that was developing at the time. Some believe he was murdered, in a deadly plot to silence him, before he spoke out about the biggest secret of modern times. There is enough circumstantial evidence to suggest that this could be true. But, it seems, nothing to actually prove it.

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Edward J Ruppelt

Next is the death of Edward James Ruppelt. In the early 1950s Ruppelt was placed in charge of UFO Investigations for the USAF and oversaw Project Grudge and then Project Bluebook until late 1953. Despite limited resources he had access to many top secret documents and reports via his security clearance and applied himself to serious investigation of the topic.

After leaving the Air Force to become an engineer at the Northrop Aircraft Company he authored one of the great historical volumes - ” The Report On Unidentified Flying Objects” in 1956. It is the source of the existence of a secret document, mentioned earlier, “The Estimate of the Situation" which concluded that some UFOs are extraterrestrial spacecraft. By 1959 he had written an update with 3 revised chapters dampening down the reality of UFOs.

During the past four years the most frequent question I've been asked is: "What do you personally think? Do unidentified flying objects exist, or don't they?"

I'm positive they don't.

I was very skeptical when I finished my tour of active duty with the Air Force and left Project Blue Book in 1953, but now I'm convinced.
(Ruppelt - Chapter 20 of revised edition)


That version concludes by referring to ufos as:

our Space Age Myth

(Ruppelt - Chapter 20 of revised edition)

It is sometimes suggested that he was under pressure from powers unknown to write the 3 final chapters, or that they weren’t even written by Ruppelt. They seem to be bizarrely out of character with the earlier chapters of the book.

Ruppelt died from heart failure aged just 39 on Sept. 15th 1960. A condition that seems unusual for someone with a military background and has led to suggestions that he may have been the victim of a plot to silence him. Ruppelt certainly knew a lot about UFOs however. If he was killed by clandestine means then the perpetrators made sure nothing could be traced back to them.
 
1970 - Capt. William Schaffner – Killed by a UFO?

Captain William Schaffner was an American exchange pilot based at RAF Binbrook in Eastern England.

Late on September 8th, 1970, an object was spotted over the North Sea by radar. Schaffner, scrambled to intercept in an RAF Lightning. He never returned from the mission...

Rumours were rife for years that he had been abducted by an alien spacecraft as he closed in on a UFO. In the 1990s speculation had it that unusual UFO activity in 1970 had put NATO on a heightened state of alert. President Nixon was even rumoured to have authorized what was to become Schaffner’s fatal last mission.

An alleged recording, provided by a secret RAF source, of Schaffner’s transmissions with RAF Patrington on the East Yorkshire coast even circulated amongst UFO investigators. Schaffner was around 90 miles east of Whitby had visual contact with a bluish conical shape which was so bright it was almost blinding. The UFO was accompanied by an object resembling a large glass football. Schaffner closed in, verbally transmitting his description of the strange object:

“Wait a second, its turning…coming straight for me….am taking evasive action…I can hardly….”

At that point contact was lost, Schaffner’s radar plot merged with the UFO and then lost altitude and vanished off the radar. Schaffner’s plane was found one month later on the bed of the North Sea with the cockpit still closed. There was no sign of the pilot’s body.

In 2005 MoD Documents (Ref: National Archives DEFE 31/181/1 ) were released and finally revealed the official, but contradictory, chain of events. The Air Accident Report produced by the RAF Board of Inquiry in June 1972 reported that Schaffner , although unknown to him, was taking part in a tactical evaluation.


Shaffner’s RAF Lightning being recovered

Schaffner ignored an order to stand down and have his jet serviced. Instead he scrambled his aircraft. Despite being a highly skilled intercept pilot. He was not trained for the high risk, low speed shadowing exercise (the UFO was officially recorded as an RAF Shackleton) and got into difficulty.

Two months later the Lightning was found on the seabed. The cockpit was closed and the pilot’s body missing to add to the mystery. Further investigation showed that the ejector seat had not been properly serviced and failed. Schaffner ejected manually but drowned in the North Sea.

Schaffner’s wife and sons, despite their best efforts, were never told the findings for decades. They were informed that all records had been destroyed. It is hard to decide if the official MoD version is a true account or not. There are some conflicting reports from other sources over the UFO incident, details concerning the recovery operation and American interference in investigations.

The fact remains that the MoD hid the findings of this case away for 3 decades, even from the deceased pilot’s family. They leave themselves open to claims of cover-ups and secrecy for this reason alone.  

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Jack, Bobby and Marilyn

Marilyn Monroe’s death, the JFK assassination and even Bobby Kennedy’s assassination have all been whispered to have been linked to UFO secrets. Suspicious circumstances surround the death of Monroe without even a mention of the UFO issue. However in the mid 1990s a document surfaced that some believe is a genuine CIA document.

The August 3rd 1962 CIA document, written the day before Marilyn Monroe's death, allegedly reveals that some government officials were very anxious that the Kennedy brothers had been seemingly leaking sensitive information to Marilyn, and that she had recorded everything in her little red "diary of secrets."

Often quoted from the CIA document is :

"….the visits by the President at a secret air base for the purpose of inspecting things from outer space."

Had JFK told Marilyn about the Roswell UFO crash and the retrieval, in 1947, of debris and alien bodies? The story of a crashed “disk” had long faded in the memories by then.

The Kennedys eventually began to distance themselves from Marilyn Monroe, much to her frustration and anger. Allegedly, she planned to hold a press conference to blow the lid off the secrets of the Administration and “tell all”. Fearful that the “alien” secret would get out into the public domain and that the President could then be involved in a story with disclosing highly classified information the decision to silence Monroe was made.

Marilyn Monroe died of barbiturate poisoning on 4th August 1962, aged 36. Her death was ruled a probable suicide.

JFK

President John F. Kennedy had many political foes during his tenure. But he did have an intense dislike of secret societies and more than a casual interest in the UFO issue. Aside from the Marilyn Monroe incident, there is also the matter of two documents sent to the CIA and NASA, on Nov 12th 1963, just days before Kennedy’s assassination.






In the documents, released under the Freedom of Information Act, JFK wrote to the CIA Director asking for UFO files so that a clear distinction could be made between the “knowns” and the “unknowns” . The motive was so that the US and NATO could avoid a major incident with the Soviet Bloc. He also talks of co-operation in outer space with the Soviet Union in his letter to the Administrator of NASA. Interestingly the memo contains the word “defence” not ‘defense ‘which is the North American spelling of the word.



Whilst there are many reasons cited for Kennedy’s assassination, is the UFO issue somewhere in the mix?

I guess we will never know on that one for sure. The coup d’etat had to have been in planning for a long time, long before these memos were sent. If Kennedy did die for what he knew about UFOs then it almost certainly wasn’t the sole motivation behind his assassination.

RFK

Bobby Kennedy appeared to hold a mildly sceptical view of the UFO issue. He had often responded to letters from the public regarding his views. He would reply politely that he held an open mind to the existence of life beyond this earth but that the data available did not prove this was the case.


www.theblackvault.com...



Of course that could simply be a front. If the stories about John F. Kennedy and aliens have any truth about them then it is almost certain that Bobby would have been privy to the same knowledge. If John F.Kennedy had tried to wrest back control of the UFO/alien issue back to the Whitehouse then you could speculate that his brother would have been involved. There is even a possible trail that links Bobby Kennedy to the death of Marilyn Monroe to keep her silent on the issue.

Just before his death in 1998, Colonel Phillip Corso, revealed that he had briefed Kennedy on alien technology. Did someone, on the deep inside, decide to prevent another Kennedy reaching the Whitehouse to keep the UFO secrets sealed and above Presidential access?

Whilst Bobby Kennedy may well have known more about the issue than has ever entered the public domain it seems that ,like his brother, he was killed more for reasons to do with the enemies he’d made down here rather than somewhere out there.

Phil Schneider

Moving away from the high echelons of fame and power within the USA we have Phil Schneider.

Schneider was a controversial character who claimed he had worked for government as a geologist and engineer. During his lifetime he maintained there were numerous underground bases across the USA with a high speed (Mach 2) rail link connecting them all. His most famous story is that, in 1979, whilst working on construction he was involved in a fierce fire fight underground in a base at Dulce. He claims that he shot and killed a grey alien but was also wounded by a “blue beam” that ripped his chest open and also burned the fingers off his left hand. He was allegedly saved by secret service agents and green berets. This all seems to be a highly speculative story to most of us. However Schneider then began to lecture on his amazing story.

Schneider was found dead in January 1996 with the cause of death noted as suicide by wrapping a rubber catheter hose three times around his neck, and half-knotting it in front. His personal files on many issues used for lectures were missing and his family refute the death by suicide claim.

There are many spurious facts in the Schneider case that muddy the waters. His death does sound highly suspicious. He was lecturing on all sorts of conspiracies and his wounds were real. But was he really killed because he knew too much and was talking to all and sundry about it?

Milton William Cooper

Bill Cooper was a conspiracy theorist and broadcaster who claimed that whilst serving in the US Navy he had seen documents that confirmed a plot that the government were dealing with extraterrestrials. He claimed that Eisenhower had a signed a treaty with aliens that would keep their presence a secret. By the late 1990s he became involved in more subversive anti-government conspiracies. He believed in New World Order theories and made predictions of what he believed would eventually lead to a false flag attack. In 1998 an arrest warrant was issued (but not executed) for tax evasion. Cooper often claimed he would not be taken alive on his radio show.

On November 5th, 2001, he was killed at his home by Sheriff's deputies after refusing to cooperate in an investigation about charges against him of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

Is it just coincidence that he died a violent death?

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Dr. James McDonald

James McDonald was a senior physicist and keen UFO investigator who during the 1960s lobbied US Congress to investigate the UFO subject seriously. Rumoured to be having marital troubles in 1971 and severely depressed he shot himself in the head.

The suicide attempt failed, but McDonald was blinded and he was bound to a wheelchair. Somehow several months after his first attempt with his eyesight recovering slightly, he allegedly managed to get into the drivers sear of a car and drive to a pawnshop, where he purchased a pistol sat in his wheelchair. McDonald then drove to the desert and finally succeeded at the second attempt in ending his life. McDonald, could be an abrasive character and had made enemies in high places because of his forthright views on how the establishment had ignored or discredited the UFO phenomena. Was his death even more bizarre than that reported?

And There is Even More……


Dorothy Killgallen a journalist who wrote about a number of conspiracy stories including UFOs . She was good friends with many rich and famous personalities including Marilyn Monroe she mysteriously died in her sleep on Nov 8th 1965.







Scientist Deaths linked to SDI

Then there is the mysterious case from the 1980s of 25 Marconi scientists working in the defence industry (and often linked to the SDI “Star Wars” program) who committed suicide.

en.m.wikipedia.org...

In October of 1986 Arshad Sharif, who'd worked on satellite methods of detecting submarines, died from tying one end of a ligature around his neck, and the other end around a tree. He then got in his car and sped off with the gas peddle 'jammed' down. The coroner called it a suicide.

A 1987 death included Richard Pugh, who was a MOD computer consultant and a digital communications expert. He was found dead in his apartment with a bag over his head, his feet were bound and his body was tied in a rope that wrapped around his neck four times. The coroner called it an accident. Another scientist, Mark Wisner died in an extremely similar manner about three months later.

In 1986, Vimal Dajibhai was one week away from quitting Marconi. He had a new job lined up in London, and his friends and family claim he was excited for it. Then he allegedly committed suicide by jumping off a suspension bridge to his death. The original police report noted a needle-sized puncture on his left buttock. This mark was later written off as incidental to his impact. The coroner's case is still open.

In 1985 Jonathan Walsh, who'd also been a digital communications expert, died from falling out of his hotel room. Before he died, he'd expressed a fear for his life. This coroner's report is still open.................

www.hecklerspray.com...

More : www.abovetopsecret.com...
In fact the list of suspicious death goes on..........but can we link it to a global cover-up?

References and further information:

www.examiner.com...

ufoupdateslist.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.metatech.org...

www.v-j-enterprises.com...

rense.com...

www.forteantimes.com...

www.examiner.com...

** That bit about the ATS subscription service was just a joke by the way

originally posted by: mirageman
Whilst writing this thread up, I noticed Nick Redfern has released a new book covering this very same topic. But this all comes free so if you don’t like it then all you’ve wasted is your time reading it! Well that is until the new ATS 'subscription only service' starts in 2015 anyway**.

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Is Cash/Landrum mentioned in Redfern's book?

S&F

Good God.... You deserve applause just for laying out your entire thread like a boss!

I'm going to dig into this as you have taken the time to gather and post a ton of information. Thanks for doing that.

I'll be back!

a reply to: smurfy

I really have no idea I haven't read it. But CardDown has done a very interesting thread on this case.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Great Read! Wow so many suspcious deaths. If it looks like a dog, smells like a dog, its probably a dog... Also, the fact that JFK had a dislike of Secret Scoieties must mean SS are real. Why would he dislike something strongly that is not real or not going on.

Though much of the evidence is circumstantial, there is a very definite link between people who report and believe in UFOs and government harassment. Nowadays they no longer have to resort to the more primitive methods of actual physical torture or murder, rather they use electronic harassment and gangstalking to harm individuals who speak out again the government or believe in UFOs.

There are thousands of people across the world and the U.S. claiming that they are being harassed electronically and being gangstalked.

The most insidious forms of harassment include reading people's thoughts, thought reading technology has been available since the 70s, it is used to silence critics or simply to steal ideas from one person to give to another less talented more pliable person:

www.surveillanceissues.com...

Anyway I have found methods by which to defeat most of their prized electronic harassment technologies here they are:

1. Most of the surveillance devices are electronic, many of them are embedded and I believe may have been built into consumer electronics. Most Ipods, Ipads, Itouches, I-anything are just loaded with monitoring devices, most laptops are packed to the brim with surveillance devices, in fact most consumer electronic devices built within the last 20 years most likely have some form of monitoring devices. I have also experienced that furniture has also been bugged. So pick a room or a spot in your residence and get rid of everything in that room. So all that is left are the devices on your walls. So put up some heavy drapes and boom, visual surveillance is degraded.

2. Most of the modern devices transmit data using radio waves, more specifically cell phone frequencies, so to defeat these simply buy a powerful all-signal cell phone jammer,

Do a search on google for "ultimate-eight-band-wireless-signal-jammer"

Be careful to fine tune the power on the jammer, otherwise neighbors may start complaining about loss of cell reception and wi-fi. You may also consider getting a portable cell phone jammer, so you can take it with you in public.

3. Lock all Windows and doors with a hasp and padlock from the INSIDE very difficult to break in. Use a Mul-T-Lock padlock, nearly impossible to pick. Otherwise they'll plant bug that transmit at frequencies outside your jammer's frequencies. Don't forget the roof and air conditioning vents, any entrance to your house from the outside no matter how small must be blocked from the inside.

4. They also have remote neural monitoring devices, they can monitor Thoughts! To defeat this build a room with walls made of Pure iron 99.999+%, 3 mm+ thick and build extremely powerful Helmholtz coils (inside the room), combined with a random noise generator 0-100hz and a good high powered audio amplifier. Make sure to keep the iron walls clean, they sometimes like to break in and place sensors on the walls defeating the purpose. if need be take the iron to a foundry have it melted completely and cast again with the correct purity and dimensions, just to make sure there are no sensors. If you have disposable money, you can, on a regular basis, like 3 time a year deconstruct the Iron room, have it melted completely in a foundry and then recast with the proper purity and dimensions. Make sure to keep the Iron both solid and liquid in direct eyesight at all times!!

5. If you hear "voices" in your head, and you are reasonably sure you do not have any psychological maladies then build an Anechoic chamber that blocks a broad range of acoustic frequencies. V2K as it is called is delivered by microwaves, so to block V2K may require materials that absorb microwave waves.

The Iron room also protects you from any electromagnetic radiation. If you believe that "they" are directing some type of microwave radiation or other type weapons at you, you can build the appropriate antenna and trace back the source of the radiation, and take the appropriate measures. Given enough power they can still deliver significant amounts of microwave even through thick metal, so I am researching materials that can adsorb microwave energy at the molecular level. Water is a good absorber of all types of radio waves, especially microwaves, so you may consider surrounding yourself with water tanks.

Don't get a gun or any type of self defense weapon or training, otherwise they will "engineer" a situation where they somehow "force" you to use it and they have the power to make it look as if you used it unjustifiably. Simply tune everyone else out, in public just pretend these supposed gang stalkers don't exist, wear headphones so you can't hear what they say and focus. I like to use humor, I get a couple of chuckles whenever I see them scurry around!

Since technology changes, so must the jamming frequencies, anti-spying techniques, etc. I am still researching other forms of electronic harassment, like V2K, Directed Energy Weapons, Window Laser Audio devices, infrasound, etc, so that we can find ways to defeat the technology.

I have tons more ways to defeat their technology, just email me deloprator20000(at)yahoo(dot)com

originally posted by: mirageman
Dr. James McDonald

James McDonald was a senior physicist and keen UFO investigator who during the 1960s lobbied US Congress to investigate the UFO subject seriously. Rumoured to be having marital troubles in 1971 and severely depressed he shot himself in the head.

The suicide attempt failed, but McDonald was blinded and he was bound to a wheelchair. Somehow several months after his first attempt with his eyesight recovering slightly, he allegedly managed to get into the drivers sear of a car and drive to a pawnshop, where he purchased a pistol sat in his wheelchair. McDonald then drove to the desert and finally succeeded at the second attempt in ending his life. McDonald, could be an abrasive character and had made enemies in high places because of his forthright views on how the establishment had ignored or discredited the UFO phenomena. Was his death even more bizarre than that reported?

And There is Even More……


Dorothy Killgallen a journalist who wrote about a number of conspiracy stories including UFOs . She was good friends with many rich and famous personalities including Marilyn Monroe she mysteriously died in her sleep on Nov 8th 1965.







Scientist Deaths linked to SDI

Then there is the mysterious case from the 1980s of 25 Marconi scientists working in the defence industry (and often linked to the SDI “Star Wars” program) who committed suicide.

en.m.wikipedia.org...

In October of 1986 Arshad Sharif, who'd worked on satellite methods of detecting submarines, died from tying one end of a ligature around his neck, and the other end around a tree. He then got in his car and sped off with the gas peddle 'jammed' down. The coroner called it a suicide.

A 1987 death included Richard Pugh, who was a MOD computer consultant and a digital communications expert. He was found dead in his apartment with a bag over his head, his feet were bound and his body was tied in a rope that wrapped around his neck four times. The coroner called it an accident. Another scientist, Mark Wisner died in an extremely similar manner about three months later.

In 1986, Vimal Dajibhai was one week away from quitting Marconi. He had a new job lined up in London, and his friends and family claim he was excited for it. Then he allegedly committed suicide by jumping off a suspension bridge to his death. The original police report noted a needle-sized puncture on his left buttock. This mark was later written off as incidental to his impact. The coroner's case is still open.

In 1985 Jonathan Walsh, who'd also been a digital communications expert, died from falling out of his hotel room. Before he died, he'd expressed a fear for his life. This coroner's report is still open.................

www.hecklerspray.com...

I remember hearing things about GEC Marconi back in the 1980's.

There was a project going on that was running into delays due to problems with the computer systems.

Somewhere up the management chain, someone had hired city lawyers and send an offical legal notice to everyone telling them that they would be held personally responsible for any financial losses in the project"

Under that sort of pressure, I wouldn't be surprised if some staff cracked up.

So far, the list only seems to be political/influential, or those that would have been involved in some military complex.

I don't think Aliens were the cause of death, unless they actually saw something that really alien, and it just scared the crap out of them. Especially in those times, were aliens weren't really believed, or becoming interesting in as much as they are today.

That would explain the suicide part in some cases, or converting to Christianity. lol.

Anyways, it makes me wonder what technology they were developing, whether it just stealth technologies, communications, orbital instruments...Etc. And the lengths some would go to have an upper hand in the technology tree.

Thanks for the mystery read.

What exactly is David Childress talking about in this clip?

a reply to: ZetaRediculian

Aliens.

Thanks for the one stop shop to find all this information.

a reply to: mirageman

WOW!
Thank you so much for the thread. You put a lot of work into this!
I'll have to read over it later when I get up. Looking forward to diving in!

a reply to: mirageman

The statement "There are numerous UFO related tales where we hear that witnesses have been threatened not to speak out." (we hear that from people who cannot understand why an individual won't say what you want to hear the individual say. The assumption then seems to be they aren't saying it because they have been threatened rather than the more prosaic reason that they don't actually have anything to say) is one of the issues here, as are statements such as;

'it is sometimes suggested' (by people selling books on UFOs I assume?),

'Ruppelt died from heart failure aged just 39 on Sept. 15th 1960. A condition that seems unusual for someone with a military background' (is it? Please give the statistics showing people from a military background are less likely to suffer from a heart attack at that age),

'The ever elusive,” Estimate of the Situation” document supposedly concluded that some UFOs were extra-terrestrial in origin' (so if such a document even exists then we can only assume what it may or may not have concluded?),

Do I need to go on? These are all urban myths, the Monroe one is fairly much scraping the barrel though - although I appreciate mirageman you are merely putting in one place the stories.

The big question is:
Would the people in power keep the alien secret from the general dumb public?

If you think that this information is real then you need to ask yourself that question.

Now how important would it be to protect the fact that the aliens have been working with our government?

99% of the worlds population thought that man would never fly at one time.

99% of the worlds population thought that the earth was flat at one time.

99% 0f the worlds population thinks that our world is home to the only intelligent life in the universe.

Arrogant? What say you?

originally posted by: mirageman
[imgl]Well that is until the new ATS 'subscription only service' starts in 2015 anyway**.

What are you talking about?

Regarding the OP, excellent compilation, another of your good and informative threads. I like that you included not only old times (middle of 20th century and shortly after) and maybe not known people, as well as Phil Schneider and others. It's like all the people related to this topic are in your thread.

I am familiar with the Phil Schneider case a lot, and my conclusion is - well there is nothing conclusive, I cannot make anything out of it, I am not sure if he ever saw aliens... and what the suicide was for in that case, unless he revealed something non-ET related that still was punishable..

An Epic thread and it deserves to be one of the top thread's I am going to read through this and the link's again later.
This makes perfect sense but also raises many more unanswered and perhaps unanswerable question's, if they have show aggression to us then they are far from the benign friendly space brothers of the new age followers and more like dismissive self superior beings whom may regard us as semi inconsequential except in what plan's they may have for us or else what they may have done to our ancestor's, remember the idea of violent punishment (attack) from the being's whom dwell in the heavens seems to have had a almost universal following among many of the oldest civilizations and perhaps they were really remembering a time our ancestory warred with these beings and lost badly enough for there entire civilization to have been erased by them and time.

originally posted by: LightYearsAhead

originally posted by: mirageman
[imgl]Well that is until the new ATS 'subscription only service' starts in 2015 anyway**.

What are you talking about?

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It was a joke.I addressed that in the last part of the post, below all the references, and it's even in a different colour.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



Can't believe you didn't see it. LOL!