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That is one explanation, another explanation is that perhaps the LiftFan clutch is not working reliably. Realize you get at most one clutch engagement without overheating the clutch, there is no second chance, even if it works as advertised.
originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: FraternitasSaturni
That's because most of the people saying it have no idea what they're talking about. There are technologies on it that are desperately needed.
originally posted by: Chiftel
Maybe you should retrofit a proper engine to that F-35 lemon of yours?
May I suggest the Saturn AL-31f:
It doubt the AL-41f1 is for sale:
Oh, wait! Those are Russian engines...
originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: TritonTaranis
And what platform is that?
I hear that a lot about stealth, and yet there are aircraft in development that make current stealth aircraft look like legacy aircraft on radar.
originally posted by: peck420
originally posted by: Vovin
a reply to: C0bzz
Eurofighter would be an adequate choice. However a "modernized" Arrow that some military brass were proposing would be best.
A modernized Arrow would be a bigger boondoggle than the original Arrow...possibly even bigger than the F-35, in which we will at least get something very cool.
Canada doesn't need another white elephant if we can't even buy enough F-35's for our requirements.
originally posted by: C0bzz
a reply to: Matt1951
another explanation is that perhaps the LiftFan clutch is not working reliably.
Or in other words you don't like the previous explanation so you made something up.
Realize you get at most one clutch engagement without overheating the clutch,
If the LiftFan system is just dead weight for landing at the airshow, it raises serious questions.
Because you made something up?
Now it turns out, JSF can only land on specially made landing pads? The Harrier can land vertically no problem.
So? F-35 isn't the Harrier.
For instance... We all know the YF-23 was far better than the F-22
originally posted by: C0bzz
a reply to: Matt1951
The US will not export the full JSF stealth capability outside the US, so export JSF will be even more flawed than the US JSF.
No, this isn't correct.
. There are so many lines of software code it is impossible to maintain
The avionics will be incredible when they finally work properly.
If the JSF version B is demonstrated at Farnborough, there will be no vertical landings. Wonder why not? Is JSF now a STO fighter, not a STOVL fighter?
STOVL has already been demonstrated. If you run a search you can probably find the real answer.
The rest is fine.
Well heres my opinion of it (not based on any fact, so to speak, just what I think)
Why it sucks:
2. were trying to build three different aircraft with different roles and trying to keep everything common to the three aircraft. This is where they went wrong. Before the first one was even built. Honestly, the three services would have been better off going their separate ways and fielding three different aircraft. If that happened, I think that the A model for the airforce would have been an awesome aircraft. Too much was sacrificed on it to accommodate the other two models.
3. Kind of falls in with number 2, but they are trying to put three or four different missions into one aircraft. Now if this works LM will look like freaking geniuses, but if for some reason it fails, its gonna cost them in the long run.
Why we need it:
1. Zaph...you know this one. Current fighter fleet is quickly coming to their demise. The F-15's, F-16's, and even the loved A-10 need to be replaced in the near future (I'm a huge A-10 fan so don't go there about what congress did. lol). They should have gone about replacing it a different way from the start, but its not too terribly late (actually it probably is).
2. Regardless of what people who don't know what they are talking about in the media are saying, the F-35 will only be rivaled by the F-22, and even the 22 will lose in specific circumstances to the 35. People get so caught up in media reports from some guy in his moms basement reading the internet that they start to believe what they here. Don't forget that most of the F-35's performance, stealth, avionics, etc are classified secret. The average joe isn't going to know if the RCS changes on the aircraft or the stealth isn't what the manufacturer claims it would be.
3. No choice....currently in the white world there is no other alternative to the capabilities of the F-35 besides the raptor (which LM said would take 200 million to reopen the line and even still the new raptors it would build would have a flyaway cost of over 200 mil). And of course we cant forget the JSF competition. I mean come on, who wanted that ugly ass boeing plane to beat the sleek looking 35? I sure as hell didn't.
Reasons its a better aircraft than the government is letting on:
Okay this is all speculation on my part because the actual data is classified.
1. Stealth. The F-22 is said to have a frontal RCS of a marble. The F-35 frontal RCS is said to be a golf ball. Look the F-22 was specifically designed to be the best fighter aircraft in the world and employ all the latest stealth features into it (hence why we don't export it yet). The F-35 was not designed this way. Particulary when looking at the exhaust of it from the side or rear. That's where the F-35 looks bigger than a marble on radar. However the F-35 has one advantage over the raptor in stealth and that would be the use of applying the RAM on the aircrafts skin when "baking" the plane. Maintenance crews are loving this feature over the F-22 because of the ease of maintenece. Also, while the F-22 carefully "stealthed" every single nut and bolt, every access panel, etc., the F-35 did not. And its still got an RCS the size of a golf ball.
2. "The Code". I think by the last time I looked into it, the F-35 needed over 25 million lines of code for the aircraft and ground systems, significantly more than the F-22. I believe this is the major reason for all the delays on the aircraft. The code is just not being written fast enough to keep pace with the flight testing. However that may be its greatest ally. See the F-35 is limited in almost everything it does until it is block updated to a higher level. Every block slowly increases the aircrafts capabilities. By the time the aircraft is IOC, it will already be better than any other aircraft in the world except its older brother.
3. Avionics/Sensor Fusion/EW/ETC. By the time this aircraft is fully operational, no other aircraft in the world will even come close to its capabilities in this department, including the raptor. When I was refueling the JSF over Edwards years back we were able to chat with the test pilots who were telling us all kinds of information about the future capabilities of these sensor suites and I gotta say, wow. I believe this area is the one area that is briefed to the foes in congress who are trying to shut down the project and its changing their minds. For starters, imagine being the lead aircraft in a four ship of F-35's and your in a dogfight with four other aircraft. Say you screwed up and allowed an enemy to get on your six and its about to fire a missile at you. Imagine being able to command an AIM-9 sidewinder from your number 3 or number 4 in your flight to launch at the target on your six. boom...
look I know this is long and off topic, but people out there need to give this fighter a chance to succeed. Because once all the testing is over and once we have over 2,000 aircraft in our inventory, they will be a formidable opponent for the next forty years. I know its costing an arm and a leg for these things, but the price per aircraft is going down with every buy. In 2012 I believe it was, the A model cost dropped below a 100 mil for the first time and by 2020 the aircraft is predicted to cost 75 million a pop with the engine in todays dollars.