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originally posted by: Fingon
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
originally posted by: Fingon
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
originally posted by: Fingon
The united states is mystery babylon... Lady liberty is the whore of babylon. The statue of liberty has a crown with seven spikes. The seven spikes represent the seven continents and the seven oceans on which she sits on.. It suppose to represent the enlightment of the world. This is the beast that sits on seven mountains.
Actually. There are five, alternately six continents (if you count Antarctica), not seven, and the only beast that has seven horns in the Bible is the Lamb of God:
Revelation 5:6 -- And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders I saw a Lamb standing, as though it had been slain, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. [ESV]
Sooo. What was it you said again? The Statue of Liberty is a modern rendition of Libertas a Roman goddess of freedom and liberty. Below you can see a story in pictures from the construction of the statue. Notice how it looks as if it has been slain:
==> twistedsifter.com...
I'm not saying the 'Statue of Liberty' is the Lamb of God, though, it is a representation of Libertas, and with features taken from both Marianne, representing France (who gave the statue as a gift to USA) and Columbia, representing the 'New World'.
I am counting Antarctica. So that would be seven with north america, south america, europe, africa, asia, and australia.
Europe is not a continent. Eurasia is (Europe and Russia mostly). If you need another continent for your equation, there's always the Pacific continent, but it's kind of wet.
Im guessing where you are from defines euroasia as single continent. I believe most of western europe , the americas , china , and india define the world as having seven but i guess that is debatable anywhere.
Depending on how they are defined, there are usually seven or eight "major" plates: African, Antarctic, Eurasian, North American, South American, Pacific, and Indo-Australian. The latter is sometimes subdivided into the Indian and Australian plates.
There are dozens of smaller plates, the seven largest of which are the Arabian, Caribbean, Juan de Fuca, Cocos, Nazca, Philippine Sea and Scotia.
"continents are understood to be large, continuous, discrete masses of land, ideally separated by expanses of water."
originally posted by: Fingon
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: Fingon
Leviathan? Tiamat? Rahab? Yamm? It has even more names and you find it all over the ancient world. Politically it's heads represent the ancient world powers or empires who were/are the enemies of Israel from Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, Hitler's brief Reich to the Beast itself which is the Eighth, it's horns are extensions of power. Could be ISIL coupled with a European chapter I suppose. ISIL certainly fits the framework of something vicious and violent, like a wild beast, but a world empire? Armed to their teeth with all kinds of horns and fangs. Then again, it could be me or you, or USA or Islam or something completely different. There is no lack of contenders. "Some wait for Jesus, others wait for Cain."
Well yea there are many contenders but my personal belief is that america is the seventh beast since to me it best fits the description in the revelations and isiah of concerning mystery babylon. I would think most people find it hard to believe but i think that is part of satan plan which is to decieve the nations and lead as much of people astray.
The mainstream opinion among the Revelation scholars is that this was referring to a belief that was current when it was written, that Nero didn't really die, but went to Parthia, where he was collecting forces to attack the Roman Empire, to take it back.
One is yet to come and will be brief: Hitler's Third Reich
Scholars, as far as I know, don't use the term, Preterism.
What you refer to is what scholars call Preterism. I didn't know you were a preterist?
Revelation, yes.
There is no way the prophecies of OT and Revelation are all fulfilled.
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
originally posted by: Fingon
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: Fingon
Leviathan? Tiamat? Rahab? Yamm? It has even more names and you find it all over the ancient world. Politically it's heads represent the ancient world powers or empires who were/are the enemies of Israel from Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, Hitler's brief Reich to the Beast itself which is the Eighth, it's horns are extensions of power. Could be ISIL coupled with a European chapter I suppose. ISIL certainly fits the framework of something vicious and violent, like a wild beast, but a world empire? Armed to their teeth with all kinds of horns and fangs. Then again, it could be me or you, or USA or Islam or something completely different. There is no lack of contenders. "Some wait for Jesus, others wait for Cain."
Well yea there are many contenders but my personal belief is that america is the seventh beast since to me it best fits the description in the revelations and isiah of concerning mystery babylon. I would think most people find it hard to believe but i think that is part of satan plan which is to decieve the nations and lead as much of people astray.
The description to John with my interpretation:
Five have fallen: Empires of Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia and Greece.
-- All are described as enemies of Israel in the Bible, and were world empires which at the time of John the Scribe, were fallen empires.
One is now: The Roman Empire.
One is yet to come and will be brief: Hitler's Third Reich
The beast itself, the Eighth King/Empire: The Catholic Empire? ISIL? Egypt? Syria? Iran? Iraq? or EU? USA? The British Empire?
-- History will show, and as the Beast is a central founding element in all Christian nations, you'll find it's hoof prints and signatures all over the Christian world. It's multi-layered and highly faceted. Like I say, history will show, and as history is written by the winners, it could be virtually any nation or army, king, kalif or president. All the nations fit the gloves.
originally posted by: TheChrome
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
originally posted by: Fingon
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: Fingon
Leviathan? Tiamat? Rahab? Yamm? It has even more names and you find it all over the ancient world. Politically it's heads represent the ancient world powers or empires who were/are the enemies of Israel from Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, Hitler's brief Reich to the Beast itself which is the Eighth, it's horns are extensions of power. Could be ISIL coupled with a European chapter I suppose. ISIL certainly fits the framework of something vicious and violent, like a wild beast, but a world empire? Armed to their teeth with all kinds of horns and fangs. Then again, it could be me or you, or USA or Islam or something completely different. There is no lack of contenders. "Some wait for Jesus, others wait for Cain."
Well yea there are many contenders but my personal belief is that america is the seventh beast since to me it best fits the description in the revelations and isiah of concerning mystery babylon. I would think most people find it hard to believe but i think that is part of satan plan which is to decieve the nations and lead as much of people astray.
The description to John with my interpretation:
Five have fallen: Empires of Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia and Greece.
-- All are described as enemies of Israel in the Bible, and were world empires which at the time of John the Scribe, were fallen empires.
One is now: The Roman Empire.
One is yet to come and will be brief: Hitler's Third Reich
The beast itself, the Eighth King/Empire: The Catholic Empire? ISIL? Egypt? Syria? Iran? Iraq? or EU? USA? The British Empire?
-- History will show, and as the Beast is a central founding element in all Christian nations, you'll find it's hoof prints and signatures all over the Christian world. It's multi-layered and highly faceted. Like I say, history will show, and as history is written by the winners, it could be virtually any nation or army, king, kalif or president. All the nations fit the gloves.
The seventh King is destroyed by God's Kingdom directly, as it is the final world power. (Daniel 2:44 described as feet of Iron and clay) So it can not be the Third Reich . The eighth king also is destroyed by God directly, so the 7th, and it's proxy (the eighth) coexist at the end.
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
originally posted by: TheChrome
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
originally posted by: Fingon
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: Fingon
Leviathan? Tiamat? Rahab? Yamm? It has even more names and you find it all over the ancient world. Politically it's heads represent the ancient world powers or empires who were/are the enemies of Israel from Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome, Hitler's brief Reich to the Beast itself which is the Eighth, it's horns are extensions of power. Could be ISIL coupled with a European chapter I suppose. ISIL certainly fits the framework of something vicious and violent, like a wild beast, but a world empire? Armed to their teeth with all kinds of horns and fangs. Then again, it could be me or you, or USA or Islam or something completely different. There is no lack of contenders. "Some wait for Jesus, others wait for Cain."
Well yea there are many contenders but my personal belief is that america is the seventh beast since to me it best fits the description in the revelations and isiah of concerning mystery babylon. I would think most people find it hard to believe but i think that is part of satan plan which is to decieve the nations and lead as much of people astray.
The description to John with my interpretation:
Five have fallen: Empires of Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia and Greece.
-- All are described as enemies of Israel in the Bible, and were world empires which at the time of John the Scribe, were fallen empires.
One is now: The Roman Empire.
One is yet to come and will be brief: Hitler's Third Reich
The beast itself, the Eighth King/Empire: The Catholic Empire? ISIL? Egypt? Syria? Iran? Iraq? or EU? USA? The British Empire?
-- History will show, and as the Beast is a central founding element in all Christian nations, you'll find it's hoof prints and signatures all over the Christian world. It's multi-layered and highly faceted. Like I say, history will show, and as history is written by the winners, it could be virtually any nation or army, king, kalif or president. All the nations fit the gloves.
The seventh King is destroyed by God's Kingdom directly, as it is the final world power. (Daniel 2:44 described as feet of Iron and clay) So it can not be the Third Reich . The eighth king also is destroyed by God directly, so the 7th, and it's proxy (the eighth) coexist at the end.
Daniel is slightly different than John's Apocalypse. Hitler is the "Little Horn" of Daniel's fourth beast, Daniel's fourth beast only has one head, but it has ten horns, and the Beast of the Apocalypse is a mix of all the four beasts of Daniel, with features of lion (Babylon) with two wings (representing Egypt and Assyria), bear (Medo-Persia) holding three ribs (the three aforementioned empires), leopard (Greece) and the fourth and last one with ten horns (Rome).
Now three horns were plucked out, and the little horn that came to replace them has almost human features and a loud speaker. When Hitler came to power, he turned the three offices of Präsident, Kanzler and Reichswehrminister replaced them with one office: Der Führer.
==> If you can believe it, Science is the mountain (in the vision of the statue) which is the kingdom of God, 'cause the Allied forces didn't win the war. Science did, or the power equivalent to that of hurling a bloody mountain through the air 'like a stone' or "wie ein Stein" in German-- ended the War. *Brass crescendo* -- Science will always prevail even beyond the era of the humans is but basalt and sediment. Science will never surrender. Science is Zion.
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: TheChrome
I once bet on red on the roulette and won three times in a row. Albert Speer's assignment from Hitler was to recreate the Roman Empire, only bigger, more grandiose an Arian utopia. Hitler never managed to prove he wasn't Jewish though. Which is kind of ironic. And Speer was the only one who admitted guilt at Nürnberg and sat every second of his prison sentence of 21 years.
Revelation predicts that this beast will come up from hell and make quite a stir. Look at Europe at the moment. It's about to blow, and this full fledged beast from hell could very well be IS/ISIL/ISIS. Hitler had support among the Muslim leaders in Jerusalem. Iran means "the Arian Nation" for instance. Rudolf Hess who was to design the new religion of the Dritte Reich, based it on a fantasy about seven priests who would survive Atlantis and the Flood and come ashore high up in the Himalayas, where Nazi Germany sent several expeditions to measure heads and features, map genealogies and such. I mean, this guy even dressed the '36 Olympics with Nazi banners and Adlers. The whole deal... Well it's rather obvious.
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: TheChrome
Chapter 11 was perfectly orchestrated by several kings following Alexander the Great's Empire was divided among his generals. King of the South is Ptolomy I Soter, his prince is Seleukos I Nikator is King of the North, the 'daughter' was Ptolomy II Philadefos' daughter Berenike, who married Antiokos II Theos, both were killed and it goes on and on, perfectly fulfilling Daniel's prophecy in chronologcal order. The evil king is Antiokos IV Epiphanes who also sacrificed a pig to Zeus in front of the Temple in Jerusalem and fulfilled the prophecy of the abomination of desolation. Daniel 11 is basically a history book.
originally posted by: TheChrome
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: TheChrome
Chapter 11 was perfectly orchestrated by several kings following Alexander the Great's Empire was divided among his generals. King of the South is Ptolomy I Soter, his prince is Seleukos I Nikator is King of the North, the 'daughter' was Ptolomy II Philadefos' daughter Berenike, who married Antiokos II Theos, both were killed and it goes on and on, perfectly fulfilling Daniel's prophecy in chronologcal order. The evil king is Antiokos IV Epiphanes who also sacrificed a pig to Zeus in front of the Temple in Jerusalem and fulfilled the prophecy of the abomination of desolation. Daniel 11 is basically a history book.
Not exactly, for the verses refer to "the time of the end".