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originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Utnapisjtim
Count the crowns. Seven European kings with seven crowns add the Pope as "The Eighth", and you have ten crowns, seven heads and the beast itself, the Pope, and they all hump the leg of the half drunken giggling Church. The eighth hill and kingdom is the Vatican height and the Vatican Nation inside a Nation, Vatican vs. Italy or the late Roman Empire. It's not much of a mystery really. It's quite straightforward.
First of. It is not 7 hills. It is seven Mountains.
And it cant be the Vatican city because revelation is not talking about a physical mountain of rocks (where do yo get that from?).
The Mountains represent a hieracracy within a society with a multitude of People.
There are ten horns all together, some of these hierocracies have more than one horn sinse there are only seven Mountains.
The Kings are not really kings but will recieve the Power of kings for one hour With the beast (So the kings you speak of are not it). These kings mentioned in revelations are politicall leaders and not real kings.
They are kings alright, but they have sworn loyalty to the Beast.
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
I think the important thing to understand is that to the people in that time when Revelation was written, a really powerful evil force could cause enough human misery that the collective suffering could call out to the god (or gods) to bring about a "Day of the Lord" scenario such as is described in Revelation 6, where you have the four horsemen with Death, and the souls under the altar crying out for vengeance, then describing a world-ending chain of events.
Thing is you can make it mean just about anything. The whore is Rome . . .
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: spy66
In Western Norway there sits a nice town called Bergen, "the city by the seven mountains". On top of these mountains are a series of antennas or horns for TV, radio, phone and what not. Rains all the time. Went down one of the mountains on a sledge once. Great outdoors. Thing is you can make it mean just about anything. The whore is Rome/Vatican City, the beast is the Empires from Egypt, Assyria and Babylon to Persia, Greece, Rome and the Catholic empires, and pick any or all for the eighth which is the Beast itself: USA, Russia, Great Britain, Napoleon, Hitler, EU, China.... The Beast is live and is the current political paradigm, TPTB, the planned effect and fulfilment of Rome. Compare Hitler's rise to power with the "little horn" in Daniel. TPTB all mimic these patterns and use them to justify their positions and some divine right of kings to power and worship even though they deserve none.
originally posted by: spy66
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: spy66
In Western Norway there sits a nice town called Bergen, "the city by the seven mountains". On top of these mountains are a series of antennas or horns for TV, radio, phone and what not. Rains all the time. Went down one of the mountains on a sledge once. Great outdoors. Thing is you can make it mean just about anything. The whore is Rome/Vatican City, the beast is the Empires from Egypt, Assyria and Babylon to Persia, Greece, Rome and the Catholic empires, and pick any or all for the eighth which is the Beast itself: USA, Russia, Great Britain, Napoleon, Hitler, EU, China.... The Beast is live and is the current political paradigm, TPTB, the planned effect and fulfilment of Rome. Compare Hitler's rise to power with the "little horn" in Daniel. TPTB all mimic these patterns and use them to justify their positions and some divine right of kings to power and worship even though they deserve none.
The thing is, it is not a Mountain revelations are trying to describe. Revelations mentiones the sea as well, but it is not talking about the Ocean.
Both the sea and the mountain are People. Therefor they can not represent a hill or a mountain.
That is why the seven Mountains can not be: De syv toppene rundt Bergen heller.
Revelation donsent have anything to do With the Old Rome either.
originally posted by: BobAthome
a reply to: Utnapisjtim
breast, since the two "horns" Remus and Romulus Text
i believe, Alexander ,would take umbridge with that,,part.
", since the two "horns" Remus and Romulus "
the two "horns" i do believe begins with Alexander.
Little is known of the number and method of appointment of Athenian strategoi in the 6th century, but in 501 BC, a new arrangement was introduced by which ten strategoi were elected annually, one from each phyle. The ten were of equal status
Philip II of Macedon was elected as strategos autokrator (commander-in-chief with full powers) in the League of Corinth. Parmenion the Macedonian general also had the title of strategos.
Under the Roman Republic and later through the Principate, Greek historians often used the term strategos when referring to the Roman political/military office of praetor. Such a use can be found in the New Testament: Acts 16:20 refers to the magistrates of Philippi as strategoi (στρατηγοί). Correspondingly, antistrategos ("vice-general") was used to refer to the office of propraetor.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: letmeon
Well, it does say that all of this will be sealed up until the end.
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: letmeon
Well, it does say that all of this will be sealed up until the end.
Revelation 22:10f
And he said to me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near. Let the evildoer still do evil, and the filthy still be filthy, and the righteous still do right, and the holy still be holy.”
But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: spy66
The angel shows John a beast with seven heads. It comes out of the sea. The word for sea in Hebrew is Yam. Yam is also the name of the Cananean god of the sea, a seven headed dragon, with a river coming out from his mouth. Still, it means so much more. The second beast comes out of the earth. Hebrew for earth is eretz, and Adam was named after the clay he was made of, Adama, Red Henna. Eretz also means The Holy Land, but again, it means so much more. When you have uncovered a new layer of esoteric encryption, ten new dimensions of fuel for madness appear, to veil it further in.
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: letmeon
Well, it does say that all of this will be sealed up until the end.
Revelation 22:10f
And he said to me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near. Let the evildoer still do evil, and the filthy still be filthy, and the righteous still do right, and the holy still be holy.”
But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”
Daniel 12:4
Those seals are not to be broken until the time of the end.
Telling us not to hide the prophecy is different than telling us we can understand it. Yes, we all are familiar with Revelation, but none of us really knows what it means. How can we? Only He will break those seals. Until then, we can only guess and go here and there to try to increase our knowledge.
originally posted by: spy66
originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: spy66
The angel shows John a beast with seven heads. It comes out of the sea. The word for sea in Hebrew is Yam. Yam is also the name of the Cananean god of the sea, a seven headed dragon, with a river coming out from his mouth. Still, it means so much more. The second beast comes out of the earth. Hebrew for earth is eretz, and Adam was named after the clay he was made of, Adama, Red Henna. Eretz also means The Holy Land, but again, it means so much more. When you have uncovered a new layer of esoteric encryption, ten new dimensions of fuel for madness appear, to veil it further in.
This is the beast that the angel showed John:
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
The beast that John was shown was the eighth and is of the seven. John described the beast With just seven heads.
Its like John never saw the eighth beast, because John never described it.