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originally posted by: spy66
Russia dont fit into this verse at all.
The other part you mention about the 10 horns being submissive by the main beast can not be correct.
A couple things to consider .John is taken to a desert place .Rome is not a desert place . Mecca is in a desert place and is also known as having seven hills . Also note that when Babylon has fallen has fallen ,it's burning can be seen from the sea where all the merchants are passing by .Mecca is where the Kaaba is and the whore could indicate the Islamic religion ,Mystery Babylon . a reply to: spy66 ETA this short clip makes good sense
The vatican sits on seven hill. But if the vatican is one of the ten horns on one of the 7 heads. The Pope/papal See is not the whore.
originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: spy66
I'm not sure which part of my post you're disagreeing with.
I said that the Beast is political power, and you do at least agree that the Beast is political power.
If the "heads" are individual states, that explains how a "head" can suffer a mortal wound and come back to life. It's already happened to Russia, twice over in the last century, not to mention other states.
The unity of the "ten horns" is actually the submission of subordinate rulers to the main ruler. In the same way that Mussolini and Petain and Quisling "gave over their wills" to Hitler, in varying degrees.
One factor which you haven't noticed is the way that "being an eighth" is part of the Beast's imitation of Christ.
Christ is "eighth" through being raised from the dead on the eighth day of the week (the day following the seventh), and because his resurrection is symbolised by Noah, who was "the eighth man" on the Ark.
originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: spy66
I'm not sure which part of my post you're disagreeing with.
I said that the Beast is political power, and you do at least agree that the Beast is political power.
If the "heads" are individual states, that explains how a "head" can suffer a mortal wound and come back to life. It's already happened to Russia, twice over in the last century, not to mention other states.
The unity of the "ten horns" is actually the submission of subordinate rulers to the main ruler. In the same way that Mussolini and Petain and Quisling "gave over their wills" to Hitler, in varying degrees.
One factor which you haven't noticed is the way that "being an eighth" is part of the Beast's imitation of Christ.
Christ is "eighth" through being raised from the dead on the eighth day of the week (the day following the seventh), and because his resurrection is symbolised by Noah, who was "the eighth man" on the Ark.
2And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
11And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
12The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,
13And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.
originally posted by: the2ofusr1
A couple things to consider .John is taken to a desert place .Rome is not a desert place . Mecca is in a desert place and is also known as having seven hills . Also note that when Babylon has fallen has fallen ,it's burning can be seen from the sea where all the merchants are passing by .Mecca is where the Kaaba is and the whore could indicate the Islamic religion ,Mystery Babylon . a reply to: spy66 ETA this short clip makes good sense
The vatican sits on seven hill. But if the vatican is one of the ten horns on one of the 7 heads. The Pope/papal See is not the whore.
9And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
15And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
Revelation was written in the end times, so no need for sealing.
Daniels prophecy and vision was to be sealed to the end times .Johns Revelation was not to be sealed . One Empire not mentioned is the Ottoman Empire .Could it be that the wound that was healed is the re emergence of that Empire in the last days ? Daniels statue was of 4 world powers.
18,7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much tormens and sorrow give her: For she saith in her hart, I sit a QUEEN, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
““Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men’s views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.” – Woodrow Wilson, 28th President of the United States, The New Freedom, 1913