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originally posted by: DarknStormy
a reply to: olaru12
Churches are a place of worship, Religion doesn't worship Homosexuality.
i do not believe you have read the Bible even once. You don't understand it at all. You are always pulling a verse out of context and as you did here, it made sense to you but it never came out to others making any sense.. you once again show you strain at the gnat and swallow a camel. You are all over the place just hoping something sticks so you dont waste your google search.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
The "Bible only means what it says when it suits my purposes and you don't understand it or you're out of context" defense only get's pulled out when there's no more argument to be made in the face of the facts.
The verse from Matthew directly addresses celibacy as opposed to marriage.
The other verses from the Pauline letters address the significance of "Law."
For the record, I've read the Bible in six translations multiple times; I'm well aware of what it says and doesn't say.
The fact that it's self-contradictory fable and mythology is only a problem for those who believe otherwise.
that is just stupid logic. The onus is on you. You brought nothing to the table but a google search and told everyone to do their due diligence, FOR YOU. You didnt do it because your opinion is not science and thats that. The homosexual thread I quoted from had you as a participant. In that thread a psychologist handed you your ass as you stated your opinion only and he never took your bait to argue your ad hominum attacks. Why is it so important to you that you need to try and look smart? You arent a psychologist and you certainly have no hermeneutic skills, yet you claim the authority... why??? For stars? You dont fool anyone that knows of these subjects thats for sure.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
I would invite anyone to post links to any real scientific studies which have shown that homosexuality is not innate and related to a range of "causes" such as genetics, birth order, in vitro environment, brain structure and chemistry, etc. Please post links to the evidence that "all these studies have been debunked," stop making the claim, OR, admit that you're spouting your BELIEFS rather than EVIDENCE.
you think this is on topic? Hardly. You are just throwing crap hoping it sticks. In the attack you made on James Dobson. First, the article is from 2006. You implied it just happened. Second, there is no proof any data was manipulated. They clearly state what was said and the author of the study didnt like that her results could be used as evidence for more than she wanted. She had a small scope she wanted others to view her study through to get the results she wanted. Not one bit of proof by you that anything by Dobson or focus on the family did was in any way manipulative. Certainlynothing in the article!!!
originally posted by: Gryphon66
... and who would have thought that a page sponsored by the hate-group "Focus on Family" would provide a balanced, unbiased or scientific view on the matter? LOL.
US Senator Catches Anti-Gay Witness Misrepresenting Study Results
Dobson of Focus on the Family Manipulates Study Data
Dobson's FOF Group Distorts Research Data
in response to : DarknStormy
and you think any of that has to do with marriage? If you cannot be celibate, get married to avoid sin. Thats the teaching of celibacy for the verses you used. As for the law....now you are in damage control. You went way off topic targeting others views pages ago
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: DarknStormy
I'll make the same two points I've made twice now, and then you and I are done.
The first verses I offered address celibacy. That is a fact, and is all that I claimed. You can muddy the waters with verses around these, nearby, in the next chapter, et. al. You can claim special understanding but that doesn't give you any. You aren't addressing the verses in question, because they say what they say, clearly, and that doesn't meet the needs of your own agenda.
The second set of verses clearly address your repeated claims about "the Law." Again, you don't want to deal with what the verses say, you're trying to argue context when you won't address the meaning of the verses themselves, except to claim that they mean what you want them to mean, rather than what they say.
proof? You brought nothing to the table. I am tellin you, you brought nothing. If you cannot make someone the target and the subject you start projecting, looking for cheerleaders
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: windword
I hear you windword! Do you notice what's passing for "debate" here?
Do you notice the roaring silence when folks are asked to provide proof of their claims?
/sigh
On Thursday, the Presbyterian Church of the USA voted to allow its pastors to perform gay marriages in their congregations. As soon as Sunday, in states where it's legal, Presbyterian men and women will be able to officially say their vows in church and in city hall.
America's laws on gay marriage are changing rapidly, mostly led by judges. But this vote reveals something deeper: The people—and their faith—are changing, too.
There are more than 1.7 million Presbyterians in the United States, making it one of the largest mainline Protestant denominations in the country
originally posted by: [post=18112121]NoRulesAllowed
It is YOU (and people *like* you) who constantly bring in the subject of someone's sexuality.
What, exactly, has the sexuality of persons (whether hetero or homo) to do with having a belief and worshiping?
It is you (again) who cannot imagine that a person COULD worship and that indeed sexuality has no place during worship or in Church, it is YOU who links sexuality with worship! Right here.
originally posted by: boymonkey74
Man made religion must evolve or die.
originally posted by: DarknStormy
The majority of Christians from what I have seen are going to hell if that place exists.. Biggest bunch of hypocrites on the planet.
originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: DarknStormy
The information I posted is correct. There are physical differences in the brains of homosexuals from heterosexuals. It's a natural human sexual variance. It's not a 'choice'.
originally posted by: Murgatroid
Claiming people are born gay is attempting to justify sin.
originally posted by: DarknStormy
So what your saying is that Homosexuality is a mental disorder? .