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posted on Jul, 5 2014 @ 09:15 PM
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originally posted by: DarknStormy
a reply to: olaru12
Churches are a place of worship, Religion doesn't worship Homosexuality.


It is YOU (and people *like* you) who constantly bring in the subject of someone's sexuality.

What, exactly, has the sexuality of persons (whether hetero or homo) to do with having a belief and worshiping?

It is you (again) who cannot imagine that a person COULD worship and that indeed sexuality has no place during worship or in Church, it is YOU who links sexuality with worship! Right here.




posted on Jul, 5 2014 @ 09:41 PM
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a reply to: DanZek

The problem is christians love to preach about how bad sins are yet somehow manage to commit almost every single one of them... Almost on a daily basis...

If you christians sin... Which all of you do... You're no better or worse then any gay person...

Deal with the plank in your own eye before complaining about the splinter in someone elses...

Sigh




posted on Jul, 5 2014 @ 10:41 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
The "Bible only means what it says when it suits my purposes and you don't understand it or you're out of context" defense only get's pulled out when there's no more argument to be made in the face of the facts.

The verse from Matthew directly addresses celibacy as opposed to marriage.

The other verses from the Pauline letters address the significance of "Law."

For the record, I've read the Bible in six translations multiple times; I'm well aware of what it says and doesn't say.

The fact that it's self-contradictory fable and mythology is only a problem for those who believe otherwise.
i do not believe you have read the Bible even once. You don't understand it at all. You are always pulling a verse out of context and as you did here, it made sense to you but it never came out to others making any sense.. you once again show you strain at the gnat and swallow a camel. You are all over the place just hoping something sticks so you dont waste your google search.



posted on Jul, 5 2014 @ 10:50 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
I would invite anyone to post links to any real scientific studies which have shown that homosexuality is not innate and related to a range of "causes" such as genetics, birth order, in vitro environment, brain structure and chemistry, etc. Please post links to the evidence that "all these studies have been debunked," stop making the claim, OR, admit that you're spouting your BELIEFS rather than EVIDENCE.
that is just stupid logic. The onus is on you. You brought nothing to the table but a google search and told everyone to do their due diligence, FOR YOU. You didnt do it because your opinion is not science and thats that. The homosexual thread I quoted from had you as a participant. In that thread a psychologist handed you your ass as you stated your opinion only and he never took your bait to argue your ad hominum attacks. Why is it so important to you that you need to try and look smart? You arent a psychologist and you certainly have no hermeneutic skills, yet you claim the authority... why??? For stars? You dont fool anyone that knows of these subjects thats for sure.



posted on Jul, 5 2014 @ 10:53 PM
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Self Edited After Thinking Better of it.
edit on 22Sat, 05 Jul 2014 22:56:47 -050014p102014766 by Gryphon66 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 5 2014 @ 11:02 PM
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a reply to: DarknStormy

I'll make the same two points I've made twice now, and then you and I are done.

The first verses I offered address celibacy. That is a fact, and is all that I claimed. You can muddy the waters with verses around these, nearby, in the next chapter, et. al. You can claim special understanding but that doesn't give you any. You aren't addressing the verses in question, because they say what they say, clearly, and that doesn't meet the needs of your own agenda.

The second set of verses clearly address your repeated claims about "the Law." Again, you don't want to deal with what the verses say, you're trying to argue context when you won't address the meaning of the verses themselves, except to claim that they mean what you want them to mean, rather than what they say.



posted on Jul, 5 2014 @ 11:07 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
... and who would have thought that a page sponsored by the hate-group "Focus on Family" would provide a balanced, unbiased or scientific view on the matter? LOL.

US Senator Catches Anti-Gay Witness Misrepresenting Study Results

Dobson of Focus on the Family Manipulates Study Data

Dobson's FOF Group Distorts Research Data

in response to : DarknStormy
you think this is on topic? Hardly. You are just throwing crap hoping it sticks. In the attack you made on James Dobson. First, the article is from 2006. You implied it just happened. Second, there is no proof any data was manipulated. They clearly state what was said and the author of the study didnt like that her results could be used as evidence for more than she wanted. She had a small scope she wanted others to view her study through to get the results she wanted. Not one bit of proof by you that anything by Dobson or focus on the family did was in any way manipulative. Certainlynothing in the article!!!
you really are turning out to be very dishonest.



posted on Jul, 5 2014 @ 11:07 PM
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a reply to: windword

I hear you windword! Do you notice what's passing for "debate" here?

Do you notice the roaring silence when folks are asked to provide proof of their claims?

/sigh



posted on Jul, 5 2014 @ 11:11 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: DarknStormy

I'll make the same two points I've made twice now, and then you and I are done.

The first verses I offered address celibacy. That is a fact, and is all that I claimed. You can muddy the waters with verses around these, nearby, in the next chapter, et. al. You can claim special understanding but that doesn't give you any. You aren't addressing the verses in question, because they say what they say, clearly, and that doesn't meet the needs of your own agenda.

The second set of verses clearly address your repeated claims about "the Law." Again, you don't want to deal with what the verses say, you're trying to argue context when you won't address the meaning of the verses themselves, except to claim that they mean what you want them to mean, rather than what they say.
and you think any of that has to do with marriage? If you cannot be celibate, get married to avoid sin. Thats the teaching of celibacy for the verses you used. As for the law....now you are in damage control. You went way off topic targeting others views pages ago



posted on Jul, 5 2014 @ 11:12 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: windword

I hear you windword! Do you notice what's passing for "debate" here?

Do you notice the roaring silence when folks are asked to provide proof of their claims?

/sigh
proof? You brought nothing to the table. I am tellin you, you brought nothing. If you cannot make someone the target and the subject you start projecting, looking for cheerleaders



posted on Jul, 5 2014 @ 11:35 PM
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More churches (this time, a whole denomination) approving same-sex marriages ... if there was indeed a culture war, it looks like the side that favors equality is winning!

Gay Couples can Get Married in Presbyterian Churches Now



On Thursday, the Presbyterian Church of the USA voted to allow its pastors to perform gay marriages in their congregations. As soon as Sunday, in states where it's legal, Presbyterian men and women will be able to officially say their vows in church and in city hall.

America's laws on gay marriage are changing rapidly, mostly led by judges. But this vote reveals something deeper: The people—and their faith—are changing, too.

There are more than 1.7 million Presbyterians in the United States, making it one of the largest mainline Protestant denominations in the country



posted on Jul, 6 2014 @ 12:40 AM
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a reply to: manna2

Are you from 1890?

Man made religion must evolve or die.
Many failed to do so and have disappeared.
Again you are following man made rules not ones from god.
Great to hear many churches are evolving (bet you don't believe in that also) and doing the right moral thing.
Is it only tge states which hace such venomous views on gay marriage? No one in the uk is bothered guess we live and let live eh I suggest you do the same instead of being judgmental towards other folk when it is none of your business what others do.?



posted on Jul, 6 2014 @ 05:51 AM
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originally posted by: [post=18112121]NoRulesAllowed

It is YOU (and people *like* you) who constantly bring in the subject of someone's sexuality.

What, exactly, has the sexuality of persons (whether hetero or homo) to do with having a belief and worshiping?


Are you serious or pulling my leg? I'm starting to think I'm responding to someone who doesn't know squat about Christianity.. Are you an Atheist or do you follow a religion? Serious question?



It is you (again) who cannot imagine that a person COULD worship and that indeed sexuality has no place during worship or in Church, it is YOU who links sexuality with worship! Right here.


It is me showing you what Christianity teaches.. Christianity condemns Homosexuality... Does Christianity condemn straight people? No for obvious reasons. I suggest you go read the Bible because your understanding of worship is lacking bad.



posted on Jul, 6 2014 @ 05:59 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

You lost credibility from me pulling verses out like that. You know what you done? Exactly what a Christian does... But at the same time, the verses you used actually open and shut the door on this Homosexuality vs Religion issue. Maybe next time you should choose your verses more wisely pal.



posted on Jul, 6 2014 @ 06:28 AM
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originally posted by: boymonkey74
Man made religion must evolve or die.

I wish the abrahamic religions would pick one or the other. Christianity is making the effort. But Islam is still stuck in the bronze age mentality of 'eating bacon sends you to hell' and that it's Gods' will to stone people to death who are supposed adulterers.

If two homosexuals want to be married, then let them be married. It's no one else's business and it doesn't hurt anyone. Homosexuality is a natural variance in human sexuality (like being born left handed or with green eyes). Those folks deserve the right to spend their life with the (adult) person of their choice.



posted on Jul, 6 2014 @ 06:30 AM
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a reply to: DarknStormy
The information I posted is correct. There are physical differences in the brains of homosexuals from heterosexuals. It's a natural human sexual variance. It's not a 'choice'.



posted on Jul, 6 2014 @ 06:37 AM
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originally posted by: DarknStormy
The majority of Christians from what I have seen are going to hell if that place exists.. Biggest bunch of hypocrites on the planet.

God isn't the legalistic mess that the organized Abrahamic religions try to make Him out to be. Christians are figuring that out and evolving. Islam ... just the opposite. If God sends people to hell for eating bacon or for cutting a beard 'wrong', then He isn't much of a God and isn't worthy of adoration. Obviously God didn't write the Old Testament nor the Qu'ran. Humans did, and they put their own ideas into it based on their cultural beliefs.

The ONLY reason for people to discriminate against homosexuals is religion based. And once those absurd religious beliefs are shown not to have come from God, then there is no reason for the hate and bigotry against homosexuals.

It has been proven that being gay isn't a 'choice'. And even if it were ... so what? Two adult humans have a right to be with whoever they want. It doesn't effect anyone except them. It doesn't hurt anyone.



posted on Jul, 6 2014 @ 06:39 AM
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originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: DarknStormy
The information I posted is correct. There are physical differences in the brains of homosexuals from heterosexuals. It's a natural human sexual variance. It's not a 'choice'.


So what your saying is that Homosexuality is a mental disorder? Schizophrenics have physical differences in their brains also. It could probably be detected in murderers also but it still doesn't make their actions right.



posted on Jul, 6 2014 @ 06:41 AM
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originally posted by: Murgatroid
Claiming people are born gay is attempting to justify sin.

No, it's called scientific fact. It's been proven that there is a genetic/physical component to homosexuality. It's a natural variant in humanity. To flip this back on you .... prove that homosexuality is a sin. Go ahead .... prove that God hates homosexuality. Good luck with that.

Here's a hint ... God didn't write the Leviticus laws and God didn't write the Qu'ran. It's easy to disprove God's participation in those. So how are you going to prove that homosexuality is a 'sin''??



posted on Jul, 6 2014 @ 06:46 AM
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originally posted by: DarknStormy
So what your saying is that Homosexuality is a mental disorder? .

No. It's a natural human sexuality variant. And there is nothing wrong with being homosexual. It's just like being left handed or green eyed or freckled. Those also have physical components.

A mental disorder causes either suffering or an impaired ability to function in ordinary life. There is nothing about homosexuality that causes the homosexual to have impaired ability to function in ordinary life and the only suffering they have from being homosexual is put upon them by religious zealots who run around screaming that their 'god' hates them - and that is based on bronze age laws attributed to God but in which were actually invented by men.




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