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originally posted by: mOjOm
originally posted by: Snarl
It didn't 'come off' that way to me. I don't consider heterosexuals worthy of any special rights or considerations. I can't justify 'LGBT rights' in the same regard.
Nobody is supposed to be getting special rights. That's why the Term "Gay Rights" is a BS term used to imply a classification of Rights to a special Group, of which there is no such thing. It's "Equal Rights" and the apply to all of us equally, end of story. That's how it's supposed to be anyway.
Well...it was in San Francisco, right?
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
I see in the news that Burger King is wrapping their whoppers in rainbow paper to show solidarity with the LGBT community. I'm the first one to stand up and say that I AM an ally. A very strong one. But even I found this patronizing and weird.
originally posted by: ketsuko
Now, I don't care what people do in their own homes. I don't care if the state chooses to extend equal legal benefits and contract to them, but when it comes down to demanding that I call it a marriage and accept it in defiance and violation of my right to belief ... well, I struggle.
originally posted by: mOjOm
originally posted by: ketsuko
Now, I don't care what people do in their own homes. I don't care if the state chooses to extend equal legal benefits and contract to them, but when it comes down to demanding that I call it a marriage and accept it in defiance and violation of my right to belief ... well, I struggle.
This is the part I don't get. You say you don't care about the actual benefits and other real qualifying things that they receive but have a problem when it comes to labeling it "Marriage" and "Accepting" the reality of it. What do you mean by accepting it??? If you accept all those qualifying legalities what is left that you can't accept exactly???
Then what is the problem with the word Marriage??? Marriage is a word that has no meaning outside what we give it just like any other word. The word itself isn't the thing so I don't understand what difference it makes. Or even why or when you would be in a position where it's a problem. Is there a point where someone is going to hold you down until you say the word or something???
Hopefully that makes sense, because it's hard to explain my question for some reason. I just don't understand what people mean when they say they accept all the actual changes and legalities or whatever, but still won't accept it or use that one word to describe it. Can you explain it??
originally posted by: Khaleesi
If the word isn't such a big deal, why are you so insistent that she say it? Frankly, when you add multiple question marks to your question, it makes me read hostility in your question. She has already said she accepts. Can you explain why you insist she use the word marriage?
No you didn't make sense to me. As long as people don't infringe on my rights, I could care less what words they choose to use to describe my relationship with my partner. If they treat me with respect why should I feel the need to brow beat them to use a word?
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: mOjOm
To me, accept and tolerate are two different words. Right now, I tolerate gays. That means I accept that they have the right to live their lifestyle as they see fit so long as it does not infringe on me.
Acceptance carries the connotation of approval.
originally posted by: DarknStormy
originally posted by: mOjOm
originally posted by: Snarl
It didn't 'come off' that way to me. I don't consider heterosexuals worthy of any special rights or considerations. I can't justify 'LGBT rights' in the same regard.
Nobody is supposed to be getting special rights. That's why the Term "Gay Rights" is a BS term used to imply a classification of Rights to a special Group, of which there is no such thing. It's "Equal Rights" and the apply to all of us equally, end of story. That's how it's supposed to be anyway.
The school who is teaching my 12 year old daughter about "Gay rights" don't see it that way.. My daughter hasn't even left primary school yet ffs, call me what ever you want but who ever is pushing this crap needs to be strung.
originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: MALBOSIA
I'm no expert or anything. I'm just some random guy but I really don't think you need to worry about it. When that part of your kids development kicks in, he'll know what he likes.
What I don't get is why they confuse kids by saying anything about sexuality at 7. I mean at that age they won't understand the context of what's being said to them.
Then again all kids develop differently so it seems better to just wait and if they ask, then tell them the truth. But don't bring it up before they're ready or they just won't understand.
originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: TrueBrit
Some of us do not, per se, oppose "their existence" as persons with human struggles like all of us . . . but different.
We 'merely' oppose their ramming their agenda down our throats and adjusting the whole culture to their SENSIBILITIES.
I don't care to monitor their bedroom.
I don't need them monitoring my politics nor my philosophical nor cosmological values to THEIR litmus test.
I have some spiritual concerns about their devastations to themselves and to the society in general but those are arguable and reasonable people can differ on them.
But not according to that 'community.' It's their way or the highway in fierce and very hostile terms more in keeping with Westboro church than with reasonable, rational "live and let live" attitudes they PURPORTEDLY are so fond of.
The hypocrisy spread far and wide gets to be a bit much more than occasionally.