originally posted by: zackli
a reply to: BlueMule
This may sound like a stupid question, but what does that mean, both literally and to you, personally? How did you
experience it? What did it feel like?
Thanks for asking. A veridical psychic experience is one that verifies itself to the experiencer. As opposed to one that leaves the experiencer
guessing. For example, lets say you have a strong gut feeling that you should avoid the freeway today on your morning commute to work. So you do.
Is that a psychic premonition? There is no way to know for sure, because there is no way to know what would have happened had you taken the freeway.
Maybe you would have been in a car accident. Maybe not. So, maybe your gut feeling was psychic, maybe not. If indeed it was psychic, it was not
Maybe your experience has enabled you to tell the difference. But even so, the experience did not contain within itself its own verification.
But a veridical psychic experience, on the otherhand, is such that it leaves you with little or no doubt. For example, I'll share with you one of my
I was driving to the store to do some shopping. I turned off the main road to a side road that led to the parking lot of the store. As I entered the
side road, I saw a man walking down the sidewalk. There was nothing unusual about him that I could see on the surface, but as I looked at him, my
visual field was overlayed with a stark vision.
In my vision, I saw him on getting dragged off of a bus by police. It was very vivid. As I was having the vision, Jimi Hendrix was singing on the
radio, 'Hey Joe where you going with that gun in your hand'. The synchronicity was virtually palpable. I was flooded by a feeling of extraordinary
So, I drove on. I entered the parking lot, went inside the store, and did my shopping. About 10-15 minutes later, I was driving home. A ways down the
road, I saw a bus pulled over to the side, surrounded by police cars. As I drove past it, I slowed down and looked inside. I saw that same guy being
restrained by police, forcing him toward the front of the bus. It was the exact same scene as my vision. I was stunned and exhilarated.
That was a veridical psychic experience. It contained within itself its own verification.
I have had many, many vivid dreams that come true. Sometimes such dreams will be of a scene from a TV show or a movie or a newscast that I see a few
days later, and I get the 'Aha!' feeling of understanding what the dream was about. Sometimes such dreams are of an important circumstance that arises
in my life, and when it happens I get the 'Aha!' feeling again. Or sometimes the dream will be shared by my wife, and her dream and mine will show a
common dreamscape and theme. Sometimes such dreams will guide me on a pilgrimage, coming true as I journey.
The dream state is highly psi-conducive, as my experiences show me and the dream study carried out at the Maimonides Dream Laboratory shows. So to is
the Ganzfeld state of consciousness, as the Ganzfeld experiments show. Altered states of consciousness are psi-conducive.
What these mean to me personally, is that there is an aspect of human nature that transcends time and space. That is non-local. Parapsychology is the
branch of science that tackles this aspect, as best it can given the difficult subject matter, given a lack of funding, and given the taboo against
It's a subject that people on both sides of the issue can feel very strongly about. On my side, I feel strongly about it because my experiences leave
me with no doubt that it is very real and very important for science to address.
On the other side of the issue, are people who feel very strongly that such things smack of superstition, gullibilty, and snake-oil, and science ought
not to bother with it, except in so far as it can debunk it. If such people are not very careful, their skepticism can warp into pseudo-skepticism.
first off, do you think that the scientific process, on its own merits, without regard to its past abuse, is a good thing?
I think that the process as I understand it (my understanding may be deficient) is a good thing.
If you do, you're in the same position as me. I, in fact, highly detest the misuse of science.
I admire that, and I share your dislike.
I'm not saying it's impossible for there to be another revolution, only that the odds will one day reach the level of the probability of Roman
mythology being the correct religion to follow.
When the vast amount of parapsychological evidence, which has been accumulating for over a century, is disseminated, I feel that it will indeed
trigger a revolution. At the moment, taboo prevents that.
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