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FBI records: Chilling find in Bradenton dumpster (9/11) related

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posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 08:00 PM
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Freshly released but heavily censored FBI documents include tantalizing new information about events connected to the Sarasota Saudis who moved suddenly out of their home about two weeks before the 9/11 terrorist attacks, leaving behind clothing, jewelry and cars.

The documents were released to BrowardBulldog.org Monday amid ongoing Freedom of Information Act litigation. The news organization sued in 2012 after being denied access to the FBI’s file on a once-secret investigation focusing on Abdulaziz al-Hijji, his wife, Anoud, and her father, Esam Ghazzawi, an advisor to a Saudi prince.

Freshly released but heavily censored FBI documents include tantalizing new information about events connected to the Sarasota Saudis who moved suddenly out of their home about two weeks before the 9/11 terrorist attacks, leaving behind clothing, jewelry and cars.

The documents were released to BrowardBulldog.org Monday amid ongoing Freedom of Information Act litigation. The news organization sued in 2012 after being denied access to the FBI’s file on a once-secret investigation focusing on Abdulaziz al-Hijji, his wife, Anoud, and her father, Esam Ghazzawi, an advisor to a Saudi prince.


An FBI letter accompanying the documents, the fourth batch to be released since the lawsuit was filed, cites national security and other reasons to justify why certain information was withheld. The letter does not explain why the documents were not previously acknowledged to exist.

FBI records: Chilling find in Bradenton dumpster (9/11) related

I thought I would put this out their for the 9/11 folks who have more knowledge than me regarding this .
I would like to leave an opinion but unfortunately I lack the proper knowledge.
My question are , what impact does this have on the OS.
And does this further prove Saudi Arabia involment in the 9/11 attacks ?

And how do you feel about the FBI's excuse ,the reason for heavy redaction was due to national security?

Seems to always be the excuse....


Humbly

LSH


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posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 08:11 PM
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From the source:


None of that information, or even the fact that an investigation in Sarasota took place, was disclosed by the FBI to Congress’ Joint Inquiry into the attacks or to the 9/11 Commission, according to former Florida U.S. Sen. Bob Graham. Graham co-chaired the joint inquiry.


That 9/11 Commission report itself was a huge part of keeping the official cover up story in place, never mind that it was actively thwarted by the Bush Admin. for more than 400 days after the 9/11 events.

This is what happens when neocon policies and Saudi desires for a caliphate in the M.E. overlap.



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 08:49 PM
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originally posted by: Blackmarketeer
From the source:


None of that information, or even the fact that an investigation in Sarasota took place, was disclosed by the FBI to Congress’ Joint Inquiry into the attacks or to the 9/11 Commission, according to former Florida U.S. Sen. Bob Graham. Graham co-chaired the joint inquiry.


That 9/11 Commission report itself was a huge part of keeping the official cover up story in place, never mind that it was actively thwarted by the Bush Admin. for more than 400 days after the 9/11 events.

This is what happens when neocon policies and Saudi desires for a caliphate in the M.E. overlap.



I agree with you on everything but the caliphate thing.
If Saudi Arabia wanted one they could have just declared it in the KSA
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posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 09:27 PM
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a reply to: Blackmarketeer

Cover up?


After months of negotiations, George W. Bush and Dick Cheney agreed to meet behind closed doors with the 9-11 Commission, with the following conditions: they would not be under oath; they would not appear together; and the session would not be recorded, transcribed or made public


George Bush press conference after "meeting" the 9/11 Commission


After watching that video I get the feeling Bush didn't talk to the Commission and is just lying his ass off to the press, off the cuff and failing miserably.

Lets say the best case scenario about 9/11 is that there was no inside job.

The problem with that fairly tale, the best case scenario is that our leadership is incompetent, and that's putting it nicely. So incompetent that they should have either resigned from office or forced to resign. But no one was ever held responsible. Not one person was fired, suspended, written up, let alone there be an investigation into anything but the bad brown Muslims (and of course, later on, the American people; eg Patriot Act, NSA spying, TSA, etc).

We're all suspects but not the people in charge.

It's not like 9/11 snuck up on us, all the warnings were there from all different angels. So the best case scenario is that we have morons in charge of this county. Now many would shout to the heavens that of course we have morons running the country but what's scary is this country continues to elect and support these morons.

So was it an inside job? Of course that's always gonna debatable but was there a cover up? You betcha.

If Only Dick Cheney Had Listened To This Iraq War Critic...


Why the hell do we trust these people to run the show?
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posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 09:29 PM
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a reply to: LightningStrikesHere

Let's just say they have had a long history in funding Sunni extremism. If they had done so openly in their own kingdom it invites open war with Iran and Shiites. Look into Prince Bandar (aka "Bandar Bush") for the extent of funding terrorism and AQ.



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 10:52 PM
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The simple truth is that the FBI is a long time player in the shadowy government which is manipulating American policies for its own ends.....The 9/11 tradgedy was a preplanned event,Orchestrated by Dick and others....



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 11:44 PM
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The problem with that fairly tale, the best case scenario is that our leadership is incompetent, and that's putting it nicely. So incompetent that they should have either resigned from office or forced to resign. But no one was ever held responsible. Not one person was fired, suspended, written up, let alone there be an investigation into anything but the bad brown Muslims (and of course, later on, the American people; eg Patriot Act, NSA spying, TSA, etc).


This is the one thing that always got me. Not only did heads not roll, but people got promoted or assigned to higher billets, which may as well be a promotion.
And the corporations, as seen in your video, that made a killing over there as well.
There is more then enough documented evidence that our gov knew about the attacks before hand.

So ya, like you said, either it was an inside job, or our leaders were in a competition to see who could get their head up their a## the furthest



posted on Jul, 3 2014 @ 12:45 AM
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originally posted by: stirling
The simple truth is that the FBI is a long time player in the shadowy government which is manipulating American policies for its own ends.....The 9/11 tradgedy was a preplanned event,Orchestrated by Dick and others....



All the president's men ..


Second



posted on Jul, 3 2014 @ 03:56 AM
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That 9/11 Commission report itself was a huge part of keeping the official cover up story in place, never mind that it was actively thwarted by the Bush Admin. for more than 400 days after the 9/11 events.



Reported by it's own 9-111 Commission members to....'set up to fail'....



then we have the 2005 NIST scientific investigation that could not find a scientific reason why these three buildings fell on 9-11.....


"No conclusive evidence was found to indicate that pre-collapse fires were sever enough to have a significant effect on the microstructure that would have resulted in weakening of the steel structure." NIST NCSTAR 1-3C, p. 235

no evidence the type of joining methods, materials, or welding procedures used was improper NIST 1-3 p.99

recovered bolts were stronger than typical. NIST 1-2 p.133

"no core column examined showed temp. above 250C" NIST 1-3 6.6.2

NCSTAR1-3 7.7.2 "because no steel was recovered from WTC7,it is not possable to make any statements about it's quality"


"NIST did not test for the residue from explosives or accelerants" wtc. nist. gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006. htm


enter the 2008 NIST hypothesis crew whom ignores their earlier scientific investigation to formulate new science they refuse to prove through science......officially claims a brand new never before seen physics phenomenon' did this...[and they are on video saying this].



"the phenomenon that we saw on 9/11 that brought this particular building down was really thermal expansion, which occurs at lower temperatures."
Shyam Sunder at 2008 NIST technical briefing


....'low temp thermal expansion".....

never seen BEFORE or AFTER 9-11

new science they REFUSE to show outside the authors, new science they REFUSE to prove through science.


Sept. 02 2010
Dear Mr. Bob

This letter serves a the final response to your Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request (Log#10-194) to the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), in which you requested
in connection with its investigation for the technical cause of the collapse of the World Trade Center Tower and World Trade Center Building 7 on September 1,200I:

'1. All input and results files of the ANSYS 16 story collapse initiation model with detailed connection models that were used to analyze the structural response to thermal loads, break element source code, ANSYS script files for the break element s, custom executable ANSYS file, and all Excel spreadsheets and other supporting calculations used to develop floor connection failure modes and capacities.


2. All input files with connection material properties and all results flies of the LS-DYNA 47-story global collapse model that were used to simulate sequential structural failures leading to collapse and all Excel spreadsheets and other supporting calculations used to develop floor connection failure modes and capacities."


NIST is withholding sixty-eight thousand, two hundred and forty-six (68,246) file. These records are currently exempt from disclosure under section (b)(3) of the FOlA., 5 .S.C § 552 (b)(3). Exemption (b)(3) permits an agency to withhold records in an agency's possession which are records that are "specifically exempted from disclosure by statute (other than 5 .S.C552(b», provided that such statute (A) requires that the matters be withheld from the public in such a manner as to leave no discretion on the issue, or (B) establishes particular criteria for
withholding or refers to particular types of matters to be ...withheld."


The statute underlying the (b)(3) exemption in this case is the at National Construction Safety Team (1 C T) Act, 15 .S.. § 7301 et seq_ Section 12 of the CST Act (ISS_C § 7311) provides that it applies to the activities of 1ST in response to the attacks of September I ), 200 I. Section 7(d) of the NIST Act (15 U.S.C § 7306(d», exempts from disclosure. information received by 1ST in the course of investigations regarding building failures if the Director finds that the disclosure of the information might jeopardize public safety. On July 9 2009 the Director of NIST determined that release of the withheld information might' jeopardize public safety. Therefore, these records are being withheld.
NlST
You have the right to appeal this determination. Such an appeal must be made in writing and received within 30 calendar days of the date on this letter addressed to:

Assistant General Counsel for Administration (Office)
Room 5898-C
U.S. Department of Commerce
14th and Constitution Avenue, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20230


Your appeal should include a copy of you original request,a copy of this determination,and a statement of the reason(s) you believe this determination to be in error and why these records should be made fully available 10 you. Both your letter and the envelope in which it is mailed should be prominently marked "Freedom of Information Act Appeal.!!
Sincerely,
~:/_/~~A/
( Catherine S. Fletcher Freedom of Information Act Officer



the official story in a nutshell......[..lol....'nutshell'....]


'truthers' are here to ask questions and DEMAND the supporting evidence of this officially claim NEVER before seen science....we need no evidence to do this.



posted on Jul, 3 2014 @ 05:26 AM
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even with this new information it still doesnt make sense, making the jump from flying a Cessna to flying a jet would be like going from your learner drivers permit to driving NASCAR or Formula 1. It's all good till you turn the steering wheel 1/4 of an inch with no experience, lol



posted on Jul, 3 2014 @ 07:01 AM
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making the jump from flying a Cessna to flying a jet would be like going from your learner drivers permit to driving NASCAR or Formula 1. It's all good till you turn the steering wheel 1/4 of an inch with no experience, lol

Unless you train in a real simulator.

But what do the Saudis moving out of their house have to do with the government wireing the building for demo?

Can't the conspiracy people come up with one version of 911?

First it was secret government planes.
Then it was misiles.
Then it was lasers from space.

And they wonder why the world thinks they are off their rockers.



posted on Jul, 3 2014 @ 07:30 AM
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There's no reason for "conspiracy people" to come up with one version of 911, because they don't have all the information that was scooped up, spirited away, and melted down. Nobody does. The only thing left is to piece together a coherent hypothesis and test it against what is available. What kind of a question was that, though?

Was it a suggestion that creation of new science with shoddy support and destruction of evidence that might have supported it should be enough for everyone? "Let's just let sleeping dogs lie on this one guys. Official story does it for me!"

Thing about letting sleeping dogs lie... when they wake up, having not been taught a lesson, they will happily return to orchestrating chaos to achieve their agenda. Do you think you'd be spared? Are you above their treachery? The "conspiracy people" are at least not willing to let it be swept under the rug. They should never be willing to do that, and neither should you.
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edit on 3/7/2014 by CrikeyMagnet because: tiny keyboard... big typo



posted on Jul, 3 2014 @ 07:51 AM
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this was already posted....

couple of week ago.



posted on Jul, 3 2014 @ 08:38 AM
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have to do with the government wireing the building for demo?


was not the Gov......just a few from within whom can manipulate the rest.

as blatantly shown by the 2008 NIST hypothesis crew claiming the reason WTC7 globally accelerated equal to g. through itself for 105 vertical feet was the result of 'never before seen physics phenomenon'....

ALL science demands that FAA can only occur with a 'clear' path below the mass accelerating....2008 NIST claims fire at one end of the building created new physics to allow this 'clear path'.....they refuse to prove through physics/science....


so the simple solution is to bring this, 'hypothesis' crew to the forefront and DEMAND them to esplain WTF is going on.





Can't the conspiracy people come up with one version of 911?


uhm....can't the OS?

the 'questions' are there because of the deficient OFFICIAL STORY....the official story that ignores their own earlier scientific investigation....




First it was secret government planes.
Then it was misiles.
Then it was lasers from space.


ALL distractions from the simple FACTS.

not one 'truther' must disprove anything the OS states.....the OS pushers MUST PROVE everything the OS states.

and first I want the NEW science shown to either be true, or false.....



edit on 3-7-2014 by hgfbob because: typo



posted on Jul, 3 2014 @ 09:23 AM
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You clearly don't understand how crowd-sourcing works.

The "pro" is you have many human brains working in parallel. The con is you have a higher "noise floor" which will obscure the signal. The game for each individual is, over the course of time and with research, to pull the true signal from that noisy environment.

It works. Ask the NSA and NRO.



posted on Jul, 3 2014 @ 01:15 PM
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Senator Graham was in charge of the congressional panel on 9/11. He was never told by the FBI of their Sarasota investigation, of which was to be kept secret at the express orders of G.W.Bush. Obviously a good deal of the 9/11 commission would not have known about it either, that's not to say that someone might have known. NJ Governor Keane was a co-chair for that investigation



posted on Jul, 3 2014 @ 01:38 PM
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Very interesting news, but not surprising.

The role of the FBI in the coverup is fairly well known for those paying attention to details. Scandalous behavior at the Shanksville site.

That Saudi is in it right up to their eyeballs is also fairly well known.



posted on Jul, 3 2014 @ 01:42 PM
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How on earth can an individual come up with "one version of 911" when there was no proper investigation? When so much of the forensic evidence was moved away?

Even the 911 Commission commented on the duplicity and changing of testimony by the Pentagon.



posted on Jul, 3 2014 @ 02:34 PM
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Because nobody even remotely connected to the Saudi royal family could possibly have any desire for a caliphate.

That is if we don't count Bin Laden and god knows who else.



posted on Jul, 3 2014 @ 03:15 PM
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originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
a reply to: LightningStrikesHere

Because nobody even remotely connected to the Saudi royal family could possibly have any desire for a caliphate.

That is if we don't count Bin Laden and god knows who else.


Thing is did Bin Laden know about 9/11 beforehand or after?

There was a lot of intrigue going on before and after 9/11, and even if many people think Bin Laden was behind 9/11, there are a heck of a lot of people think that the WTC site was targeted for what was in the buildings.
This video goes into great depth on many facets.






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