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originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: crazyewok
We will never have a 100% secure border but what we can do to slow it down is to let the agents do what they are suppose to do also I'm for letting the border states take care of business without the Feds restrictions.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: crazyewok
I've been of the opinion for a while that we have a lot of military that knows a thing or two about desert warfare ... why aren't they patrolling that border now that we're bringing them home?
I also notice every time I drive by Ft. Riley that most of the vehicles are painted in desert camo ... what are they doing on the plains, not on that Southern border?
originally posted by: crazyewok
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: crazyewok
I've been of the opinion for a while that we have a lot of military that knows a thing or two about desert warfare ... why aren't they patrolling that border now that we're bringing them home?
I also notice every time I drive by Ft. Riley that most of the vehicles are painted in desert camo ... what are they doing on the plains, not on that Southern border?
I may be ignorant here but isnt it illegal to deploy US troops on US soil? Unless a state of emegancy declared?
I may be wrong.
•In the past, removal numbers did not include “returns,” who are Mexican nationals caught illegally crossing the border by the Border Patrol and returned.◾According to the yearbook, returns are the confirmed movement of an inadmissible or deportable alien out of the United States not based on an order of removal.
◾Most of the voluntary returns are of Mexican nationals who have been apprehended by the U.S. Border Patrol and are returned to Mexico.
•The Obama administration has started counting certain “returns” as “removals” in order to artificially inflate the numbers and create a “record level” of deportations. Specifically, those caught by the Border Patrol who are shuttled to a different town along the border before they are returned are being dishonestly counted as deportations. This has falsely increased the number of total removals by more than 100,000 for the past two years.
•In fact, if we count removals and returns together historically, then the Obama administration numbers are not close to “record-setting.” In the 1990s, the totals of returns and removals were well over one million. For example, according to the yearbook of immigration statistics, in 1996, removals and returns numbered more than 1.6 million, up from more than 1.3 million in 1995.
•In an October 2011 roundtable with Hispanic reporters, President Obama himself said the deportation numbers were artificially high because they include those caught at the border:
originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: crazyewok
Are you saying no one in a small boat at night coming ashore to an isloated shore-place in the UK can NOT get in?
There are thousands of spots around the British Isles one could get ashore without any trouble. Same here in America.
Whats worse than the Mexican border? The Canadian border. Thousands and thousands of miles open to forest and mountains and rivers...no fences, no monitors, no guards, no people, no nothing.
One day...I believe its there that will be the entry point for everything and everyone illegal...
originally posted by: crazyewok
originally posted by: MarlinGrace
originally posted by: crazyewok
originally posted by: MarlinGrace
a reply to: crazyewok
I think I would call the guys that did Area 51 and turn them loose on the border. Isn't it amazing when they want to secure something cost is no object and no problem. If satellites can see a license plate from space in any spectrum of light, certainly they can see someone crossing the border illegally. With American business across the border and trucks passing to deliver goods we could just build a vacuum chamber to put the truck in. Have the driver get out, suck out the air. Then the second process would be making the chamber a highly electrified box. Then stowaways would last a few days and viola', no searching necessary.
Technology yes could secure the borders.
But again whats the price tag?
Area 51 security likely has a very very large bill.
Would it be cost effective? I doubt it. Thats the problem price tag.
Just for the current batch we have already dedicated 100's of millions, and there are already 12 million here, just killing the medical system.
Seriously if it cost a billion we would be money ahead the ROI would have to be just over a year. Oh and I don't think anything the government does is cost effective. I don't know how it is in the UK but in the US we have the market cornered on wasteful spending. We are the only country in the world that can drop a $55,000 laser guided bomb get 5,000 worth of dirt hut damage and kill the wrong people.
The thing I think it will cost alot more than billion, especialy with goverment waste,
Cheaper option may be trying to tax illegal workers, exclude them from welfare and deport non workers.
You may be right, this isnt a bash America thread,
UK shares your illegal problem and to me US has a bigger job due to its land border.