Ukraine attacks with chemicals, destroys schools and hospitals and kills unarmed citizens (News)

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: sosobad
Well if it comes from forbes it's gotta be true, this ever been verified? Apart from yourself and forbes?

Maybe if you read the article and explored the links contained you would have your answer now wouldn't you.

yes the information has been verified.

unlike the results of the Crimean elections.

Read it the first time you posted months ago, verified by forbes. Anyway I gotta go training, few laps of the Red Square and all you know Catch you fine gentlemen later

До свидания!

a reply to: sosobad

That good enough for you? Or will you not believe anything that doesn't come from the MSM?

So you missed the report that Russia's own gov't admitted the vote numbers were wrong?

www.forbes.com... oted-for-annexation/

So now how does one explain the lower numbers reported by a Russian gov't official?

And I see it doesn't matter that the the report was from a Russian gov't official because unless it comes from Russia it isn't true...Oh wait it did and that is shown in the Forbes report.

So now a Russian gov't employee must be lying and anything she says is western propaganda or was this all a sham to discredit the Crimean vote?

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: sosobad

That good enough for you? Or will you not believe anything that doesn't come from the MSM?

So you missed the report that Russia's own gov't admitted the vote numbers were wrong?

www.forbes.com... oted-for-annexation/

So now how does one explain the lower numbers reported by a Russian gov't official?

And I see it doesn't matter that the the report was from a Russian gov't official because unless it comes from Russia it isn't true...Oh wait it did and that is shown in the Forbes report.

So now a Russian gov't employee must be lying and anything she says is western propaganda or was this all a sham to discredit the Crimean vote?

Verified report? You and your sources again lol and yes she could be lying, you know for definite she is telling the truth?

Just hours after last weekend’s ouster of Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych, one of Pierre Omidyar’s newest hires at national security blog “The Intercept,” was already digging for the truth.

Marcy Wheeler, who is the new site’s “senior policy analyst,” speculated that the Ukraine revolution was likely a “coup” engineered by “deep” forces on behalf of “Pax Americana”:

“There’s quite a bit of evidence of coup-ness. Q is how many levels deep interference from both sides is.”

These are serious claims. So serious that I decided to investigate them. And what I found was shocking.

Wheeler is partly correct. Pando has confirmed that the American government – in the form of the US Agency for International Development (USAID) – played a major role in funding opposition groups prior to the revolution. Moreover, a large percentage of the rest of the funding to those same groups came from a US billionaire who has previously worked closely with US government agencies to further his own business interests. This was by no means a US-backed “coup,” but clear evidence shows that US investment was a force multiplier for many of the groups involved in overthrowing Yanukovych.

But that’s not the shocking part.

What’s shocking is the name of the billionaire who co-invested with the US government (or as Wheeler put it: the “dark deep force” acting on behalf of “Pax Americana”).

Step out of the shadows…. Wheeler’s boss, Pierre Omidyar.

Yes, in the annals of independent media, this might be the strangest twist ever: According to financial disclosures and reports seen by Pando, the founder and publisher of Glenn Greenwald’s government-bashing blog,“The Intercept,” co-invested with the US government to help fund regime change in Ukraine.

Last December, the Financial Times wrote that Rybachuk’s “New Citizen” NGO campaign “played a big role in getting the protest up and running.”

New Citizen, along with the rest of Rybachuk’s interlocking network of western-backed NGOs and campaigns— “Center UA” (also spelled “Centre UA”), “Chesno,” and “Stop Censorship” to name a few — grew their power by targeting pro-Yanukovych politicians with a well-coordinated anti-corruption campaign that built its strength in Ukraine’s regions, before massing in Kiev last autumn.

The efforts of the NGOs were so successful that the Ukraine government was accused of employing dirty tricks to shut them down. In early February, the groups were the subject of a massive money laundering investigation by the economics division of Ukraine’s Interior Ministry in what many denounced as a politically motivated move.

According to the Kyiv Post, Pierrie Omidyar’s Omidyar Network (part of the Omidyar Group which owns First Look Media and the Intercept) provided 36% of “Center UA”’s $500,000 budget in 2012— nearly $200,000. USAID provided 54% of “Center UA”’s budget for 2012. Other funders included the US government-backed National Endowment for Democracy.

In 2011, Omidyar Network gave $335,000 to “New Citizen,” one of the anti-Yanukovych “projects” managed through the Rybachuk-chaired NGO “Center UA.” At the time, Omidyar Network boasted that its investment in “New Citizen” would help “shape public policy” in Ukraine:

“Using technology and media, New Citizen coordinates the efforts of concerned members of society, reinforcing their ability to shape public policy.

“… With support from Omidyar Network, New Citizen will strengthen its advocacy efforts in order to drive greater transparency and engage citizens on issues of importance to them.”

In March 2012, Rybachuk — the operator behind the 2004 Orange Revolution scenes, the Anatoly Chubais of Ukraine — boasted that he was preparing a new Orange Revolution:

“People are not afraid. We now have 150 NGOs in all the major cities in our ‘clean up Parliament campaign’ to elect and find better parliamentarians….The Orange Revolution was a miracle, a massive peaceful protest that worked. We want to do that again and we think we will.”

Detailed financial records reviewed by Pando (and embedded below) also show Omidyar Network covered costs for the expansion of Rybachuk’s anti-Yanukovych campaign, “Chesno” (“Honestly”), into regional cities including Poltava, Vinnytsia, Zhytomyr, Ternopil, Sumy, and elsewhere, mostly in the Ukrainian-speaking west and center.

What all this adds up to is a journalistic conflict-of-interest of the worst kind: Omidyar working hand-in-glove with US foreign policy agencies to interfere in foreign governments, co-financing regime change with well-known arms of the American empire — while at the same time hiring a growing team of soi-disant “independent journalists” which vows to investigate the behavior of the US government at home and overseas, and boasts of its uniquely “adversarial” relationship towards these government institutions.

Of the many problems that poses, none is more serious than the fact that Omidyar now has the only two people with exclusive access to the complete Snowden NSA cache, Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras. Somehow, the same billionaire who co-financed the “coup” in Ukraine with USAID, also has exclusive access to the NSA secrets—and very few in the independent media dare voice a skeptical word about it.

In the larger sense, this is a problem of 21st century American inequality, of life in a billionaire-dominated era. It is a problem we all have to contend with—PandoDaily’s 18-plus investors include a gaggle of Silicon Valley billionaires like Marc Andreessen (who serves on the board of eBay, chaired by Pierre Omidyar) and Peter Thiel (whose politics I’ve investigated, and described as repugnant.)

But what is more immediately alarming is what makes Omidyar different. Unlike other billionaires, Omidyar has garnered nothing but uncritical, fawning press coverage, particularly from those he has hired. By acquiring a “dream team” of what remains of independent media — Greenwald, Jeremy Scahill, Wheeler, my former partner Matt Taibbi — not to mention press “critics” like Jay Rosen — he buys both silence and fawning press.

Now Wheeler has her answer — that, yes, the revolutionary groups were part-funded by Uncle Sam, but also by her boss — one assumes awkward follow up questions will be asked on that First Look internal messaging system.

Whether Wheeler, Scahill and their colleagues go on to share their concerns publicly will speak volumes about First Look’s much-trumpeted independence, both from Omidyar’s other business interests and from Omidyar’s co-investors in Ukraine: the US government.

here is link for full article. pando.com... rre-omidyar-co-funded-ukraine-revolution-groups-with-us-government-documents-show/

good video and the truth being told by an insider. 16 years in congress and plenty of friends on hill. do the naysayers here have those credentials?

Third Editor’s note: The Open Ukraine website does have the list of partners. Again, the main point is that, despite a prominent role for nationalists in the revolution and in the current government, this list is a clear indication of the anti-nationalist sentiments of a key figure in Ukraine’s current government.

Second Editor’s Note, 3/12: The website for Open Ukraine (openukraine.org...) has reappeared, but without the list of partners that so clearly show its sympathies with the neocons and Western NGOs and financial institutions.

Editor’s Note: This article by Freeman shows that, despite the presence in the new Ukraine government of the Svoboda nationalists, its president, Arseniy Yatsenyuk (who has three ethnically Jewish grandparents) is firmly affiliated with neocons, Western economic interests, and prominent figures associated with hostility toward Russia.

Since the 27th of February 2014 Arseniy Yatsenyuk is “prime minister” of the present and entirely illegal regime of Ukraine. As we have learned from the intercepted Nuland – Pyatt telephone conversation, he is the preferred candidate of Victoria “# the EU” Nuland, which is the reason why the US State Department made him the top echelon of its coup.

Did you know that Mr. Yatsenyuk owns an organization called “Open Ukraine Foundation”? If you do, you might be surprised to learn that all traces of this foundation have been eradicated from the internet. The website of the Arseniy Yatsenyuk Foundation (openukraine.org) and its Facebook page (www.facebook.com...) have simply disappeared. The Wikipedia entry still exists, but the links lead nowhere.

As we know, the Internet forgets nothing and therefore a screen-shot of the website is still on hand. And what do we see there? A list of the foundation’s partners, and looking at it, you may say with some awe that it is an exceptionally impressive collection of the usual suspects. Which, we strongly suspect, must be the reason why the foundation is now defunct and its tracks have been obliterated.

What follows is an extract from the list of partners:

- Black Sea Trust for Regional Cooperation (A Project of the German Marshall Fund)
- Chatham House
- NATO Information and Documentation Centre
- State Department of the United States of America
- NED National Endowment for Democracy
- Horizon Capital
- Swedbank

With such partners, and in this present scenario, it is small wonder that the page has been deleted. Because it can be clearly seen who stands right behind Mr. Arseniy Yatsenyuk and the coup.

Let us start with the German Marshall Fund, whose Chairman is Guido Goldman. His father, Nahum Goldman, was co-founder of the World Jewish Congress, Chairman of the Jewish Agency and president of the World Zionist Organization. Guido studied at Harvard and one of his teachers was the former presidential security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski. Henry Kissinger later supervised Guido’s doctoral thesis. The money for the Fund has been approved by the former German finance minister Alex Möller. Who, on occasion of the 25th anniversary of the Marshall Plan, funded the organization with 150 million German marks for the next 15 years, ostensibly to promotes relations between Europe and the U.S.

This context alone is revealing, since it cites some of the most virulent Russia Haters around.

But let us look at Chatham House. The Foundation, established in 1920, known until 2004 as the Royal Institute of International Affairs, is a private and world-leading British think tank based in London, whose members engage in study programs, working groups, roundtable conferences and seminars current issues and political events on an international level. The expertise and recommendations created there are circulated by the international members worldwide. Some key projects are funded and sponsored by the Rockefeller Foundation, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the Konrad Adenauer Foundation, NATO or the EU. In addition to the corporate members, consisting of 75 large corporations, plus investment banks, energy companies and 263 other companies, Chatham House currently has 2770 prominent personalities from 75 countries as members, all employed in business, diplomacy, science, politics and the media. A patron of Chatham House is Queen Elizabeth II.

This would sound like an absurd joke, weren’t it so truly awesome. Because now we understand clearly why the upheaval in Ukraine took place: the supreme fat-cats of the so-called World Elite wanted it to happen.

The NATO chiefs wanted the incorporation of Ukraine into this particular war club, so that missiles can be deployed even closer to Russia. In 2008 NATO secretary general Jaap de Hoop Scheffer paid a visit to Arseniy Yatsenyuk and his Foundation.

The U.S. State Department has been instrumental in the coup, as already mentioned with regard to Victoria Nuland and her now famous injunction. Doling out massive funds, it determined which puppets could join the regime and which not. Whereby that goof Vitali Klitschko got the short straw, just as the abominable noodle Nuland wanted it to happen.

The NED or National Endowment for Democracy is an American foundation with the stated objective to promote democracy worldwide. It is a [neocon front group that] was established in 1983 by the U.S. Congress, and receives its annual funding from the U.S. federal budget. Thus money directly milked from the U.S. taxpayer is diverted for the illegal regime change in Ukraine and many other countries.

This backdrop is very revealing. When Hedge Funds and banks such as Horizon Capital and Swedbank are affiliated with Yatsenyuk’s foundation, it is clear that they are the vultures who are waiting to plunder Ukraine.

A good friend of Arseniy Yatsenyuk and his Foundation is Mikheil Saakashvili, the puppet installed by Washington [see here and here], who was allowed to play the President of Georgia from 2004 to 2013. The latest news concerning his person seem to prove that he is also a murderer. According to the Georgian newspaper Asawal - Dasawali he has been involved in the death of former Prime Minister Zurab Zhvania of Georgia. The Prosecutor’s Office of Tbilisi has discovered proof of Saakashvili’s direct complicity, the newspaper writes, citing a source within the investigation authority where a secret recording with the audible voice of Saakashvili can be heard ordering: “Get the corpse out of the way and do everything as agreed.”

Yes, such a fine “partner” used to be a guest of honour in the now defunct Arseniy Yatsenyuk Open Ukraine Foundation. Unusual is that even in the Google cache nothing about it can be found anymore.

Now we understand why Arseniy Yatsenyuk has been installed by Merkel and Co, the EU, the NATO and Washington as head of the Ukrainian “government.” He is simply the new puppet intended to implement their interests in Ukraine, but certainly not the interests of the Ukrainian people .


i dont know why, but i get the feeling the truth and the agents will also shut this thread down. fight the good fight. we all die someday. its up to you to either die a hero or a coward. it cant be both!

i guess now you will call Ron Paul a liar. and i say "prove it!" thirty years in government limelight and you will not be able to find him double talking or lying. to bad many in this thread cant say the same for themselves!

here it goes...

fresh news, I ll give only the first paragraph translated and the link if you wish to translate further.

Three Ukrainian convoys and armored self-propelled artillery, with a total of 250 vehicles trying to exclude/cut off the Ntonesk, which will be the most crucial than appears battle for the self-defense forces of New Russia and the Ukrainian Army.

The tanks are T-64 and T-72, TDMA BMP-2, TOMP VTR-80 self-propelled guns and 156 mm. located on the same convoys.

Hundreds of personnel transported with ordinary trucks. An estimated 2,500 armed men of the Ukrainian Army and the National Guard of the neo-Nazi right section of Kiev, trying to confinement the city.

Also an announcement by Colonel Igor Strelkof, the leader of the free crimea army, included in the link

a reply to: Ploutonas

The tanks are T-64 and T-72, TDMA BMP-2, TOMP VTR-80 self-propelled guns and 156 mm. located on the same convoys.

T-64s, T-72s, BMPs............Mr. Putin where are the Kornets ?? A neat satellite intelligence input followed by a coordinated ambush can take dozens of these out in few minutes.

Makes no sense for Russia to invade, but makes tons of sense for Russia to provide arms and funding to keep separatists fighting and taking toll on the fascists. Kornets, MANADs, anti-artillery radars with nice range artillery guns, all are needed !!!!!! Donetsk is a free republic now, its armed forces need assistance.

If Russia does not help now, then Russia will be seeking help later !!

Milosovic said the same more than a decade ago !!!

Ukraine can become the most dangerous weapon that West has against Russia.

No these are the right neo nazi party weapons, not the free crimea (new russia military), at least thats the article gives me to understand reading it in greek. The first paragraph I ve translated, is all about Kiev mostly, how they deploy their weapons, how they move, etc, because it speaks about the Kiev convoys.

we also have news, that russia gave new toys to the free crimea new russia army and Kiev lost another su-25 airfighter, Kiev lost overal 4 su-25 airfighters.

here it is link

All in all, Kiev lost the 10% of their total equipment so far and most of them, are used now by the free crimea army. The link I gave, the first half is for Kiev and the other half is for the crimea.

a reply to: Ploutonas

Kornets will kill T-64, T-72s easily from good range. Separatists do not have many tanks or heavy stuff, atleast they need weapons to cancel out the heavy weapons used against their forces.

MODS... This thread OP apprently has plans to make this a Ukraine mark 2 thread. All the old players are back once again padding post counts. Are you gonna allow another 600 page propaganda thread or is this gonna go into the RANTS bin? They rant about this subject maybe it needs to go there. As such Im not going to post again in this thread cause we ALL KNOW where its heading.

a reply to: letscit

Thanks for the brilliant summary!



openukraine.org...

originally posted by: sosobad
And yes you did lie, trying to pass off the reaction of 6 people as the whole of Slovyansk is lying and you know what you are doing also so you are purposely spreading disinfo.

What kind of argumentation is that? Russia let fall Girkin like a hot potato and so also all the "freedom fighters". This part of the game is over. And youwant me to prove that there were more than six persons which I never denied?

The next step will be that Russia will not intervene in any fightings nor support it too openly. They will support unrest and attacks within Ukraine without showing their involvement. The Donetsk Republik and the Luhansk Republic are history. They only could come up with Russian support in the background. That has been pulled out of the game.

originally posted by: maghun
I hope Putin is defending his own and his people's interests against the dark force controlling the so called "west". And yes, Russia now defending morality against homo-liberalism. The western campaign of tolerance is the most intolerant and disgusting thing on Earth nowadays.

The germans was programmed to become nazis in some years with help of Goebbels. After the WWII the same method was used to program people to hate nazism. Are the germans hate nazis now? Can the "experts" reprogram the ukrainians with the well known good old methods, like MSM?

Oops! Did you really realize what you wrote there? Sorry, Maghun, this is like saying, you fight the devil, because you are a satanist. Too much is too much. Since I decided, not to get angry anymore, I now go and laugh a round.

originally posted by: Talliostro

originally posted by: Ploutonas
the word neo = new (modern nazis) and guess what, the western doctors they speak about, are germans.. old nazis

wow, that one is very offensive.

Not really. That rhetoric would make this whole thread a joke, if we would not discuss on anyway. So I think, this is my last comment here, because the events will show the outcome anyway.

was in hurry and forgot to add link to my post, 11 posts up. sorry.

www.theoccidentalobserver.net... rseniy-yatsenyuk-foundation-has-disappeared/

actually the way the world treats the dollar in the very near future will show who was right all along. it is not looking good for the liars either. even france is jumping ship. germany will be next.

reply to siddharta

some more for you, the journalists in america are finally waking up. not msm though. but they are bought and paid for, so...


Ignoring Ukraine: Is mass murder America’s legacy to the world?


While our southern border is being purposefully collapsed here at home by one government-created crisis, halfway around the world our government is busy working on another: turning a blind eye to the “cleansing” of “parasites” (read: bombing of innocent civilians) in Ukraine by the globalist puppet president our White House helped put into power there.

Reuters reported that, “Ukrainian forces struck at pro-Russian separatist bases in eastern regions with air and artillery strikes on Tuesday after President Petro Poroshenko announced he would not renew a ceasefire but go on the offensive to rid Ukraine of ‘parasites’”.

Read that again — he has openly declared he is bombing to “rid Ukraine” of “parasites” — the kind of talk that made Adolf Hitler famous before and during World War II — while our government and mainstream media stand silent and, essentially, complicit.

Break down that phrase and consider what’s actually being said. In reality, it’s nothing more than a fancy way of saying, “the areas of Ukraine that had voted overwhelmingly ‘the wrong way’ in Ukraine’s final nationwide election, in 2010: the areas of Ukraine that overwhelmingly chose as Ukraine’s President the man whom Obama’s coup overthrew in February 2014.”

And none of our media here will talk about what’s happening.

Indeed, as The Nation reported, “The regime has repeatedly carried out artillery and air attacks on city centers, creating a humanitarian catastrophe—which is all but ignored by the US political-media establishment.” The outlet continued:

“The reaction of the Obama administration—as well as the new cold-war hawks in Congress and in the establishment media—has been twofold: silence interrupted only by occasional statements excusing and thus encouraging more atrocities by Kiev. Very few Americans (notably, the independent scholar Gordon Hahn) have protested this shameful complicity. We may honorably disagree about the causes and resolution of the Ukrainian crisis, the worst US-Russian confrontation in decades, but not about deeds that are rising to the level of war crimes, if they have not already done so.”

Why so silent? From Washington’s Blog:

Washington’s people do not call this ethnic cleansing operation what it is; they instead call it Ukraine’s “Anti Terrorist Operation,” or “ATO” for short. The people we’re massacring are “Terrorists.” What they actually are is simply the residents in the parts of Ukraine that had voted overwhelmingly for Viktor Yanukovych on 7 February 2010 to become President, the final nationwide election in Ukraine. And here these millions of “Terrorists” are now, being bombed by us, and fleeing to refuge in Russia (you can see it, and hear it happening, right there: those “Terrorists,” fleeing our bombs) — it’s part of our ethnic-cleansing operation, not of any Anti Terrorist Operation, at all. Because it is we, the United States itself, that are terrorizing them, to flee. And “we” — our Government, as if they really represented us (which they obviously do not) — are therefore mass-murdering them. This is what the U.S. “news” media have been hiding from us, by stenographically reporting Obama’s lies, as if those lies represented truths instead of lies — just like Bush’s lies about “Saddam’s WMD” did, and the U.S. media did, before we invaded Iraq on 19 March 2003.

And the Government that Obama put in place in Kiev, which is a government by Ukrainian oligarchs whom Obama’s agent Victoria Nuland selected and placed in control, is now advertising on the television stations that those oligarchs own, advertising that the people who live in Ukraine’s southeast are destroying the country and must therefore be destroyed by patriotic Ukrainians. The government’s Defense Minister announces publicly that concentration camps are being established in order to deal with any who don’t flee. The message to those “Terrorists” is clear: flee, or else die. The government has even announced that the military volunteers who go to the southeast to do the killing are patriots, whose reward will be that they will receive the properties of everyone they kill.

This. Is. Genocide.

Remember not so long ago when America just had to invade Libya and overthrow Gaddafi to save the Libyan people?

Remember when we just had to intervene in Syria?

The mainstream media talked about those countries’ conflicts non-stop 24/7, dutifully pushing home whatever agenda the government handed them to brainwash the American people to accept the actions of a thoroughly corrupt government with a foreign policy based on little more than propaganda, coups and the slaughter of innocents in other countries for empire building.

Now this globalist monster in Ukraine is bombing and murdering more innocent civilians — women and children and elderly people who are being labeled “terrorists” and slaughtered in mass simply to fit Washington’s agenda.

Is the ultimate goal to pick a fight with Putin that leads to World War III? Leaders in other countries are condemning Poroshenko’s actions, calling on him to stop this barbaric rampage.

And here? Ask yourself America: Where’s Obama’s heartfelt speech on this one? Where is Hillary Clinton or Secretary of State John Kerry spewing humanitarian crisis rhetoric now? Where is the 24/7 mainstream media coverage on these war crimes?

Don’t bother flipping on an American television. You aren’t going to find it.

As Paul Craig Roberts wrote, “Having murdered Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and the US Constitution, Washington is now murdering Ukraine… The evil demons in Washington and Washington’s whore media tell you that these devastated people are ‘terrorists.’ If you believe that, you are not human.”

How can so much suffering be caused and allowed to continue without public outcry? How can people continue about their daily lives untouched by this?

Look at the photos of Ukrainian devastation in the video above. Do any of those people look like “terrorists” to you?

Who are the real terrorists here?

truthstreammedia.com... rder-americas-legacy-to-the-world/


ter·ror·ism
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.


by definition it is just not people who are terrorists. not by reality either.

a reply to: letscit

Buddy, what is the use of this long winded talk? Moscow is too weak to take up any war, military or economic with the collective west.

Also, like seen before in past few hundred years, Russian society has chronic imprisonment to alcoholism, corruption, lazyness, complacency, oppression and brutality towards other Russians etc. etc. This leads to "ill-preparedness" at the time of calling. This also resulted in Russian state collapsing many times vrs Neapolean, WWI, WWII, 1991.

Hence do not expect Moscow to take a decision that puts itself in a boxing match with not one but a collection of upto 28 countries. That's not fair at all. Worst, other than Belarus, there is not one country that Russia can count on with full confidence to come up with help other than diplomatic statements.

250,000 died in Iraq, 50,000 people died in Libya, not in one day but over some time, still there was no change in policy of the aggressors until the "regime change" objective was reached.

This is the new face of fascism. They will kill with relish, bomb your cities and towns to rubble and call it doing you a 'favor'.

Countries like China sitting of $2 Trillion reserves need to come out in open let their views known. Some entities listen only to the powerful and Russia is not even 1/5th as powerful than in the 1980s.