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What are your thoughts on this?
originally posted by: ketsuko
Here's a question for you:
Why are so eager to let society into your bedroom and uterus? I thought you wanted us out of it.
By simply taking an oral contraceptive a woman can greatly reduce the risk of contracting ovarian cancer.
Oral contraceptives are also used to treat acne, heavy periods which can lead to anemia, irregular periods and reduce the symptoms of PMS
If that's really what you want, then you wouldn't be so eager to demand that we spend our money to pay for what you do in it and with it.
No, they weren't. If they were doing that, they would have said, "If you do this, we won't employ you anymore." And they would have been wrong. Instead, they were saying, "We will pay for insurance that covers A-P, but if you choose to opt for Q-T, you will do that on your own."
Now, you can say they were "choosing" for the employee, but options A-P are 16 alternatives to Q-T, and Q-T are available but the employee's sole responsibility. However, if you don't like it, then you should be willing to pony up and pay for all of your care for yourself, and the health care costs in this country should NEVER have changed, but thanks to Democrat instituted wage controls back in the day, employers started offering insurance as a perk to lure in better talent. Now, everyone expects that someone else will pay, and when you expect someone else to pay, you give them control in the decision.
When you were growing up, did your parents give you power of the purse or did they control the spending?
originally posted by: dawnstar
when it comes to healthcare isn't this the very basis of insurance??? you pay them a small amount of money and they pay much more if you happen to get sick enough and start stacking up the bills?
if you got seriously ill could you "pay your own way"??
originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: ketsuko
maybe you should find the battlefield somewhere outside of the birth control that is being covered by insurance then??
you are attacking those who are being as responsible as they can be and throwing obsticles into their path
screaming about responsibility and how we all should be carrying our own weight
and doing very little about the fact that more and more people are finding themselves in the position of having very little choice but to allow someone to share responsibiility
and when it comes to religion and women I would like to point out that the religion is the one with the doctrines that place men as responsible for the women!
"When you demand that someone else take responsibility for you by paying your way,"
when it comes to healthcare isn't this the very basis of insurance??? you pay them a small amount of money and they pay much more if you happen to get sick enough and start stacking up the bills?
if you got seriously ill could you "pay your own way"??
That's like saying, here's an all you can eat buffet. It costs $7 for everyone, including you. The buffet has beef, pork, chicken and fish. it has Coke, Pepsi, Sierra Mist, 7up, and Sprite, but you're only allowed 7up , because of your employers beliefs. Also, no pork for you. If you want soda or pork, you, and only you, must pay extra, even though the price of those things are already included for everyone else.
That's like saying, here's an all you can eat buffet. It costs $7 for everyone, including you. The buffet has beef, pork, chicken and fish. it has Coke, Pepsi, Sierra Mist, 7up, and Sprite, but you're only allowed 7up , because of your employers beliefs. Also, no pork for you. If you want soda or pork, you, and only you, must pay extra, even though the price of those things are already included for everyone else.
Following the U.S. Supreme Court decision on Hobby Lobby, an Alabama-based Catholic television network was given relief from the federal government's "preventive services" mandate.
Eternal Word Television Network was granted relief from having to pay fines for refusing to comply with the HHS mandate to provide various birth control pills.
originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: windword
That's like saying, here's an all you can eat buffet. It costs $7 for everyone, including you. The buffet has beef, pork, chicken and fish. it has Coke, Pepsi, Sierra Mist, 7up, and Sprite, but you're only allowed 7up , because of your employers beliefs. Also, no pork for you. If you want soda or pork, you, and only you, must pay extra, even though the price of those things are already included for everyone else.
No.
It is like going to McDonalds and trying to buy a Whopper.
Then you find out that they don't have them there.
So you find out that you have to go to Burger King if you want a Whopper.
If you don't like what your employer offers for a compensation package, go somewhere that has the package that you are willing to work for.
Oh, the ACA.... That is the government telling McDonalds to start selling Whoppers, or they will be fined.
It is like going to McDonalds and trying to buy a Whopper.
Then you find out that they don't have them there.
So you find out that you have to go to Burger King if you want a Whopper.
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
And so it begins...
Following the U.S. Supreme Court decision on Hobby Lobby, an Alabama-based Catholic television network was given relief from the federal government's "preventive services" mandate.
Eternal Word Television Network was granted relief from having to pay fines for refusing to comply with the HHS mandate to provide various birth control pills.
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: butcherguy
It is like going to McDonalds and trying to buy a Whopper.
Then you find out that they don't have them there.
So you find out that you have to go to Burger King if you want a Whopper.
Except, Hobby Lobby doesn't sell Big Macs or Whoppers. They're NOT in the health care business. Hobby Lobby is asking that, in fact, ordering the insurance company, that has the full spectrum of services that the law requires, e.g. Whoppers and Big MAcs, to close the cupboards, slice their menu, for their employees, and only their employees only, and to charge them extra if they ask for a Whopper.
Are Laws that Favor One Religion over Another a Violation of the First Amendment?
Duh.
You were the one equating employer provided healthcare with an all you can eat buffet.
Not all plans are the same.
If you work for a living, you will find that out when they start taxing you for the plan that your employer compensates you with... or did you miss the point?
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: butcherguy
Duh.
You were the one equating employer provided healthcare with an all you can eat buffet.
Not all plans are the same.
If you work for a living, you will find that out when they start taxing you for the plan that your employer compensates you with... or did you miss the point?
No. The ACA offers all methods of contraception. The ACA is the all you can eat buffet.
I understand that the fact that Hobby Lobby doesn't provide the health care, the insurance company does, is a difficult concept to grasp for some.
Hobby Lobby won't be saving money by NOT offering 4 kinds of birth control. It's already included in the "all you can eat" price. Hobby Lobby doesn't trust their employee not to take from the buffet, those things that they disagree with. So they've asked the insurance company to police their employee by denying the coverage that they are capable of offering, under the ACA law.
Hobby Lobby is the middle man inhibiting their employees choices. Trying to make sure that their employee pay extra for services that are already included.
Hobby Lobby is the middle man inhibiting their employees choices.
No, Hobby Lobby is an employer. They are just another choice of places to work. If you don't like their package, don't work for them.