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Let them have a caliphate.It is good idea a caliphate.Let there be a caliphate.

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posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 04:40 PM
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I cannot understand why so many people are worried about isis and a caliphate.

its a good idea.

all the terrorists and other mad people can go and live in it.it will be a magnet for them.

all those who think a moslim caliphate is some kind of paradise
can now go and live in it and experience it first hand.go boy go go go...

so worry mongers should be actually be delighted.

i have been saying for years all mosloms who want to go backwards in time should buy a island and import all their like minded brothers to it and do what they like.

just try don't try to drag us into it.we want to go forwards.

also those whiners who worry about iraq being split stop worrying.it would be great if iraq was split.every one can have what they want,the sunni,the shiites,the kurds,the isis and any other abdul as well.

why can't they be allowed to be split?

let them split.

a split is welcomed.

they can do what they like within own borders.

since iraq is flat anyone who finds a Islamic caliphate to be a bit of a hellhole after a while can sneak out the border into a neighboring state.

just face it lets actually welcome a claiphate for all the modern world to see and we all have a good laugh too .

all the mosloms can go back in time in a caliphate.the sultan will do beheadings of all those oppose him or disagree with while surrounded by 72 virgins.although i don't think many virgins or otherwise will want to go and live there but of course they will kidnapped by isis to satisfy the lust of the isis fighters who will otherwise find "paradise" to be a bit dull.I mean you can only do so much with a gun pleasure wise.

so let isis split iraq,and set up this caliphate and lets all toast to it and see the sheep flock to it and let us see how long it lasts.

anyone else agree with me per the above arguments? and reasons?




posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 05:00 PM
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They can't split because the oil, and economical profits will no longer be our resources, with the wrong people in power.

That's all



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 05:27 PM
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They won't split because ISIS wants the whole country to themselves. And not just Iraq, but Syria, Jordan, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Malaysia, etc. etc. is on their minds as well.


edit on 6/30/2014 by ninjadan9 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 05:43 PM
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a reply to: championoftruth

ISIS have already shown themselves to be a dangerous and violent, xenophobic organisation. Appeasing them in their wish for a Caliphate, which incidentally, would have to be carved out of parts of existing nations, who are about as likely to give their land up for good, as I am to quit smoking Golden Virginia before I die, would be a massive mistake. The reason?

It's pretty simple. Appeasing Hitler did little for the governments in continental Europe, and did no favours for the people there either. His was a xenophobic, violent, thuggish regime. Can you see where I am going with this? When you let a bunch of thug bastards get what they demand, purely because otherwise they will go nuts and frag everything they can lay lead on, you set a precedent. It says to them "All we ever need to do, is wave guns at people, behead the odd random person on the street, take over a town or three, and make noise, and we get whatever we want? Sign me up!". First they will be given land, then they will be given arms deals (again), and then they will actually take entire nations for their own.

When that happens, they will have the ability to build more war tech, build up reserves of regular military, train intelligence operatives to penetrate the intelligence networks of other nations, set up a centre of banking for their operation, and become the worst possible thing, that being a xenophobic theocracy intent on the conversion or destruction of everything they can touch. The best thing to do in this instance, is to cut off their arms so that they can touch absolutely nothing.

A failure to address these mobsters with the negative attention they clearly deserve, will result in yet another period in history where things could have been done to prevent the near planetary dominion of a tyrannical, xenophobic, ideologically driven set of blood drinking bastards, and were not. These ISIS guys are not merely tribesmen defending their homes, but are an international band of brigands trying to take over territory for themselves. This is blitzkrieg that they are about at the moment, or as near as they can get.

ISIS are an actual threat to the security of everyone in the Middle East, and if they get their way and make a state out of their land grab gains will become the next Nazi Germany, just with a different excuse to use for the murder and chaos they will spread in their wake. THAT is why they should not be allowed to succeed in their activities, and must be resisted. I advocate assassins being sent, with all knowledge of their existence disavowed by those who send them, to kill the ISIS leadership, sow dissent within its ranks, and cause chaos behind their battle lines. Personally, I find the idea of an intelligence lead execution of the entire outfit, with full deniability, a very appealing one. No big nasty loud war, just a nice quiet bit of murder just before dawn.

That's how you deal with animals who would execute innocent people in the street. Give them what they give others, and watch as they crumble.

Also, on an entirely forum level...

OP... Please, if you are going to speak about the affairs of the world, a serious topic, could you please learn to put some damned capital letters into your posts? And also, if you must pick the topic of ISIS and Islamic terror factions, could you please learn to spell the word Muslim?

Communicating about such topics, is worth putting that small effort into, wouldn't you agree?



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 05:44 PM
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Israel won't have it. And if every single "Muslim Nation" tries to take over the land, they're in for a surprise.



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 06:22 PM
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Is it just me or does it seem like whenever there is a revolution type event, it's the worst people who end up in charge. Look at Ukraine being taken over by neo nazi's. Look at Iraq. Look at Egypt. It's never the peace loving hippi types who win. It's always some extremist idiot.



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 06:46 PM
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originally posted by: ArtemisE

Is it just me or does it seem like whenever there is a revolution type event, it's the worst people who end up in charge. Look at Ukraine being taken over by neo nazi's. Look at Iraq. Look at Egypt. It's never the peace loving hippi types who win. It's always some extremist idiot.


Simply put good decent people have no desire for power. It kills me to see revisionist relatives who reminisce about the good old days of Reagan. Almost all politicians are scum and the ones who aren't are usually silenced.



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 06:49 PM
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Because their caliphate is supposed to be world wide. Which means once established they will launch terror attacks non stop.



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 06:50 PM
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a reply to: ArtemisE

That is certainly the way it seems to be playing out at the moment.

People go and shed blood, and spend their own, they see their friends die as they desperately battle for the freedom that they took up arms to gain, and even then, they are usurped by individuals who wish to be one of the few, who wield power over the many.

None who seek that power should ever be allowed to hold it. It should be given the person most able, and least willing to hold it.



posted on Jul, 1 2014 @ 01:49 AM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
Because their caliphate is supposed to be world wide. Which means once established they will launch terror attacks non stop.


look you are being alarmist.20000 odd thugs cannot takeover the world.you are believing their propaganda and the media propaganda.

heard ofthe word L0GISTICS?

A million man army from russia could not take over afghanistan.

250000 usa soldiers could not takeover afghanistan with their modern toys.

20000 thugs cannot takeover the planet with their Kalashnikov.

a dozen helicopters or A10'S with Gatling guns could turn them into mincemeat.

they have never fully experienced a competent army.

iraq is already carved out.i say let them fight out among themselves as they are very blood thirsty and intolerant.
just let them fight it out.


all you people need to realize they are just some thugs with guns in pickup trucks terrorizing people.

a single A10 could send them straight to hell.

Anybody remember how in iraq a few american helicopters gunships killed 20000 in a single day on that highway of death?



posted on Jul, 1 2014 @ 02:32 AM
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Um no. This is a dumb idea. A Muslim Caliphate led by extremists would be the worst thing for American national security. We're destabilizing that region for a reason.

The only way this would be a good idea is if it led to all the terrorists coming together in a small area so that we could drop a nuke on them.



posted on Jul, 1 2014 @ 02:51 AM
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Every 'crusade' in history always wants more land, just look at emperor Chin, who united China under his banner, (China being named after Chin) the Roman empire, the British empire, Stalin's empire, the Zulu nation spreading southwards, the list can go on, but I think that is enough, but must mention the first Muslim empire, that reached into Spain.



posted on Jul, 1 2014 @ 12:40 PM
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originally posted by: pikestaff
Every 'crusade' in history always wants more land, just look at emperor Chin, who united China under his banner, (China being named after Chin) the Roman empire, the British empire, Stalin's empire, the Zulu nation spreading southwards, the list can go on, but I think that is enough, but must mention the first Muslim empire, that reached into Spain.


stop living in the past.

mosloms countries are the most backward,primitive and the least tech advanced.

why are so you afraid? they 5000 miles away from usa.

300000 people die from adverse side effects of proscription drugs.


700000 die from cancer.


80000 from heart disease.

nearly every american has a gun who can toast any terrorist easily.

40000 die from diabetes and your worried about some fanatics running around with guns.all that brain washing created by the 9/11 thingy for the last 12 years must have worked its magic on you.

oh 3500 die in bathtubs.same number as 9/11.

should i ring a bell to make you salivate?



posted on Jul, 1 2014 @ 01:21 PM
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originally posted by: championoftruth


stop living in the past.

mosloms countries are the most backward,primitive and the least tech advanced.


Says the guy who can't seem to spell Muslim properly. While socially, most Arab or Muslim countries seem to be about on par with pre Renaissance Europe, technologically and scientifically they are not anywhere near as anachronistic as you seem to think and that's not even taking into account US friendly countries like Jordan who are stocked up on the latest American toys and gadgets just waiting to be looted by some enterprising young marauders.




why are so you afraid? they 5000 miles away from usa.


Big difference between fear and pragmatism. You are severely underestimating a potential adversary who sole goal is an entire planet united under their interpretation of Islam.




nearly every american has a gun who can toast any terrorist easily.


A rifle doesn't do me much good if an Islamic Caliphate gets ahold of newer tech such as the missiles and rockets recently developed by Iran. If Iran can launch a satellite into orbit they can send up a missile that can renter the atmosphere and land 5000 miles away.


40000 die from diabetes and your worried about some fanatics running around with guns.all that brain washing created by the 9/11 thingy for the last 12 years must have worked its magic on you.


Again, you are drastically underestimating the potential threat that is gaining ground daily. The only thing more frightening to me than MSM brainwashing of the general populace us the religious brainwashing perpetrated by the Imams associated with ISIL as the only acceptable outcome of all this is the destruction if western values and the governments of all western nations. They have one simple goal. Unite the world under their brand of Islam or annihilate all who refuse their generosity.


should i ring a bell to make you salivate?


Why? Does the bell work on you when it's time to remain ignorant to the true goals of ISIL?

The bottom line is we are far better off preparing for the worst case scenario and having it never come to pass than we are I underestimate an opponent and be taken by surprise by them. It would make the difference between Bush declaring Mission Accomplished in Iraq in 2003 vs. Iraq in spring of 2004 look like an afternoon at Disney World in comparison.



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 10:32 AM
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originally posted by: peter vlar

originally posted by: championoftruth


stop living in the past.

mosloms countries are the most backward,primitive and the least tech advanced.


Says the guy who can't seem to spell Muslim properly. While socially, most Arab or Muslim countries seem to be about on par with pre Renaissance Europe, technologically and scientifically they are not anywhere near as anachronistic as you seem to think and that's not even taking into account US friendly countries like Jordan who are stocked up on the latest American toys and gadgets just waiting to be looted by some enterprising young marauders.




why are so you afraid? they 5000 miles away from usa.


Big difference between fear and pragmatism. You are severely underestimating a potential adversary who sole goal is an entire planet united under their interpretation of Islam.




nearly every american has a gun who can toast any terrorist easily.


A rifle doesn't do me much good if an Islamic Caliphate gets ahold of newer tech such as the missiles and rockets recently developed by Iran. If Iran can launch a satellite into orbit they can send up a missile that can renter the atmosphere and land 5000 miles away.


40000 die from diabetes and your worried about some fanatics running around with guns.all that brain washing created by the 9/11 thingy for the last 12 years must have worked its magic on you.


Again, you are drastically underestimating the potential threat that is gaining ground daily. The only thing more frightening to me than MSM brainwashing of the general populace us the religious brainwashing perpetrated by the Imams associated with ISIL as the only acceptable outcome of all this is the destruction if western values and the governments of all western nations. They have one simple goal. Unite the world under their brand of Islam or annihilate all who refuse their generosity.


should i ring a bell to make you salivate?


Why? Does the bell work on you when it's time to remain ignorant to the true goals of ISIL?

The bottom line is we are far better off preparing for the worst case scenario and having it never come to pass than we are I underestimate an opponent and be taken by surprise by them. It would make the difference between Bush declaring Mission Accomplished in Iraq in 2003 vs. Iraq in spring of 2004 look like an afternoon at Disney World in comparison.


Hitler and his million man army and machines could not takeover the world and you claim that a 20000 ragtag bunch in pick up trucks and horses and camels are going to take over the world.

By the way what happened to NSA snopping which should have given us advance warning about ISIS?

i think they should be charged with dereliction of duty and thrown in prison because they are too busy spying on americans like who aunt matilda's boyfriends are rather than tracking terrorists.

i think your working for a vested interest either isis or the parasitic military/industrial complex who are sucking the blood out of america with a trillion dollars wasted on junk like the F-35 Turkey.



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 10:35 AM
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Uhhhhhhh. . . I fail to undersand

HOW . . . combining the more violent proportions of the Muslim populace

into ONE UNIFIED WHOLE . . . eager to force the rest of the world into Sharia law

will be the LEAST BIT constructive for the rest of the world ????



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 04:02 PM
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originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: championoftruth

Uhhhhhhh. . . I fail to undersand

HOW . . . combining the more violent proportions of the Muslim populace

into ONE UNIFIED WHOLE . . . eager to force the rest of the world into Sharia law

will be the LEAST BIT constructive for the rest of the world ????


its their desire.let them experience the harsh REALITY.

can you imagine people living in caves or in tents with no heating,lighting?

.no electricity,gas,cars,medicine,no books,no tv,no phone,no factory,no tools because these things are unislamic.

that is why it is best to let them have it and experience it.

unified whole.are you delusional?

mosloms can never be unified.its their nature.look at iraq.

everyone individual or clan or tribe wants to impose their version of islam on every one else BY FORCE.

IN THE ISLAMIC WORLD IT IS KILL OR BE KILLED UNLESS YOU DO AS I SAY.

and mosloms have lost every war.

they are backwards socially,mentally,militarily.economically.

THEY CAN'T FORCE ANYBODY except the weak and the meek.



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 05:23 PM
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originally posted by: championoftruth

Hitler and his million man army and machines could not takeover the world and you claim that a 20000 ragtag bunch in pick up trucks and horses and camels are going to take over the world..


No, I'm not making any claims about a rag tag army, I'm making claims about a well organized resistance who is equipped with captured American weaponry, vehicles and tanks and funding via the CIA in Syria. Additionally, Hitler utilized only one avenue of conquest, massive blitzkrieg offensives which worked rather well initially before Hitler spread himself too thin in multiple fronts. Hitlers real bane was a lack of fuel which is not going to be a problem at all for ISIL as they currently control several oil fields and refineries. These maniacs in ISIL can utilize conventional warfare, guerrilla warfare, terrorist attacks as well as a combination of the above coupled with emigration to western nations and pose as defacto sleeper agents or straight up agent provocateurs. As I said above, its far better to be overly cautious and well prepared than to drastically underestimate an opponent, as you seem to e doing in this case, only to get caught with your pants down.



By the way what happened to NSA snopping which should have given us advance warning about ISIS?


I think you're confusing an agency who works domestically with Central Intelligence


i think they should be charged with dereliction of duty and thrown in prison because they are too busy spying on americans like who aunt matilda's boyfriends are rather than tracking terrorists.


Well, they are the NATIONAL security agency not the Iraqi Security Agency.


i think your working for a vested interest either isis or the parasitic military/industrial complex who are sucking the blood out of america with a trillion dollars wasted on junk like the F-35 Turkey.


Sorry, my only vested interest here is combatting ignorance, looks like it will take longer than I initially anticipated.



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 05:41 PM
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originally posted by: championoftruth

its their desire.let them experience the harsh REALITY.

can you imagine people living in caves or in tents with no heating,lighting?

.no electricity,gas,cars,medicine,no books,no tv,no phone,no factory,no tools because these things are unislamic.

that is why it is best to let them have it and experience it.


Not much of a student of history are you? All the things you claim are unislamic are completely made up by you. During the European Dark Ages prior to the renaissance, the Muslim world was in the midst of their own renaissance with advances in medicine, surgical techniques, math, science and literacy. All the things you seem to think Muslims are against. Hell, even when al quaeda was holed up in Tora Bora they had electricity and generators, Bin Laden received dialysis. You come off as rather clueless about the reality of this part of the world.


unified whole.are you delusional?

mosloms can never be unified.its their nature.look at iraq.



Yes, let's look at Iraq, under Saddam they were united with no sectarian violence. Sme holds true for Kuwait, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iran etc... It's only when radical extremists get involved that we end up with massive problems like what we see currently.


everyone individual or clan or tribe wants to impose their version of islam on every one else BY FORCE.

IN THE ISLAMIC WORLD IT IS KILL OR BE KILLED UNLESS YOU DO AS I SAY.


That's about as rational as saying all black people are muggers or Spanish people all smell funny or any other BS stereotype you want to throw out there.


and mosloms have lost every war.


You might want to mention that to the European Crusaders, or the British circa WW2 because according to the British they would have entirely lost their ME territories if not for Muslims involvement or every non Muslim nation that was invaded by, taken over and converted to Islam in the 7th century.


they are backwards socially,mentally,militarily.economically.


I some ways yes, they are socially living in the equivalent of pre-rennaisance Europe but militarily, economically, scientifically... Not so much.


THEY CAN'T FORCE ANYBODY except the weak and the meek.

So they're not so different than most of Christianity then are they?z



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 05:42 PM
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a reply to: championoftruth

You saw Pakistan, Israel and India on their little black map, yes? Each of those countries has a nuclear arsenal. I only didn't include Iran on that list because it's still debatable as to how close it is to joining that club.

Whether or not I have a gun won't matter when the nukes fly.




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