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Hobby Lobby wins Supreme Court case, limits the ACA contraception mandate

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posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 03:56 PM
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a reply to: windword

and what you're missing is that while yes, they absolutely have the right to have contraceptives, just like they have the right to have anything else that's legally obtainable, they DO NOT have the right to force someone else to pay for it.




posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 03:59 PM
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a reply to: windword

actually pregnancy isn't a medical condition...it's a developmental stage of life....the flu is a medical condition, gout is a medical condition, the hiv is a medical condition....

again, by the morning after, it's reasonable to suppose that a sperm may have drilled into an egg, and thus, the cycle begins....and i suppose that's what they have a problem with.. -shrug-



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 03:59 PM
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a reply to: Daedalus

You are right. It is very true that when people sign up for a 401K or when they receive this benefit from their employer, they do not choose how the investment company will manage their funds, or what they will invest in.

Hobby Lobby was arguing that even though providing health insurance and following the ACA mandates was inherently "innocent" of direct sin on their part, it enabled others to have access to something "sinful" - a contraception that they BELIEVED was for the purpose of abortion. Ok. So by this logic, their 401K needs to be managed according to their religious values as well, or they are "guilty" by enabling Pharmaceutical companies that create the birth control items their religious views abhor with their investment dollars.

I do not think the owners of Hobby Lobby intended to directly support the manufacturers of these birth control methods in any way - in fact they were most likely unaware that the investments were being made to these companies, or simply unaware what exactly these companies did. I do not see them as hypocrites for their investments in the past, but it might behoove them to alter course for the future or they will be, by their own logic, guilty of the sin of enabling another to commit sin.

peace,
AB



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 04:01 PM
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originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: macman

The US already practices socialism.


Please don't confuse socialism with fascism. We are are anything but socialist.



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 04:04 PM
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originally posted by: jrod
The Supreme COurt once again failed.


ORLY? how so?



Birth control needs to be available to whomever wants it.


and it is.

furthermore, if you don't want to get pregnant, either don't have sex, or use some form of protection...common sense, man..



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 04:06 PM
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originally posted by: windword
An employer has no business coming between a woman and her doctor, choosing what kind of medication is or isn't appropriate.


and who's doing that again?



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 04:10 PM
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a reply to: jrod

hahahaha...

worst reply ever..

the point of sex is procreation...reproduction...if you're doing it purely for fun, that means you're not looking to make a kid...that means you use protection.....if you do it for fun, and end up pregnant, that's where personal responsibility comes in...you did the deed, you live with the results of your actions.

jesus christ, wtf is wrong with everyone?



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: thesaneone

What personal responsibility? Is there such a thing anymore?

We have a group who seems to expect to get things for free and when they don't they throw a hissy fit. Never mind that they have the ability to get these things for themselves if they apply themselves. No...they would rather pay $25 a month for HUD all utilities paid housing, collect SSI and food stamps. Oh, scuse me, it's SNAP now, right? Much less demeaning calling it that.

Obamaphone! Obamaphone! Obamaphone! Obamaphone!



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 04:15 PM
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a reply to: windword

oh cry me a fraking river.....you hafta pay for something you want? oh my gods, what is the world coming to?



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 04:16 PM
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a reply to: Daedalus

That kind of contraceptive is for the stupid. Too stupid to plan ahead. Too stupid to understand the consequences of unprotected sex.



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 04:17 PM
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a reply to: jrod

this i'll agree with you on....however, since the people decided that it was the role of the supreme court to INTERPRET the constitution, and not to enforce and uphold it as it's written, we get the distortion of the general welfare clause, that allows them to do pretty much anything...

but you're right...as it's written, there is no constitutional authority for the federal government to FORCE citizens to buy a product from a private company...



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 04:17 PM
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originally posted by: Daedalus
a reply to: windword

actually pregnancy isn't a medical condition...it's a developmental stage of life....the flu is a medical condition, gout is a medical condition, the hiv is a medical condition....

again, by the morning after, it's reasonable to suppose that a sperm may have drilled into an egg, and thus, the cycle begins....and i suppose that's what they have a problem with.. -shrug-


Have you ever been pregnant, personally?

There are many reasons pregnancy is a "medical condition" for the woman - she must take medical tests to make sure she is not developing gestational diabetes, for example, which is a threat to both her and the pregnancy. She must be careful what medications she takes, and if she has, for example, high blood pressure or other prior conditions, pregnancy can increase/exacerbate the conditions to dangerous levels. Pregnancy fundamentally alters a woman's biochemistry and hormones - she needs to be treated if things aren't going as they should. Pregnancy forever alters a woman's body - and I don't just mean cosmetically.

Here is a link to MedLine Plus regarding health problems in pregnancy if you don't believe me: Link

Pregnancy can be very dangerous for a woman, and can become life threatening. Women die in pregnancy and childbirth. Luckily the rates are fairly low in the US as we treat pregnancy as a medical condition - still, on average, 650 women die per year due to pregnancy and pregnancy related issues or childbirth. (Source - CDC)

In countries where it is not well treated, and women are left to deal with pregnancy without proper care, the statistics are much worse: Every DAY around the world, 800 women die due to pregnancy or childbirth. Here are some more facts:

Key facts

Every day, approximately 800 women die from preventable causes related to pregnancy and childbirth.
99% of all maternal deaths occur in developing countries.
Maternal mortality is higher in women living in rural areas and among poorer communities.
Young adolescents face a higher risk of complications and death as a result of pregnancy than older women.
Skilled care before, during and after childbirth can save the lives of women and newborn babies.
Between 1990 and 2013, maternal mortality worldwide dropped by almost 50%.


pretending it isn't a serious medical issue. Note that "skilled care before, during and after childbirth" SAVES LIVES.

- AB



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 04:19 PM
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a reply to: jimmyx

i'm pretty sure anyone with an IQ over "toothpaste", and an understanding of the concepts of "personal resposibility", and "want vs need", would be ok with this...



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 04:19 PM
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originally posted by: macman
a reply to: jrod

Taxes shouldn't be paying for either.


Salute!!



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 04:22 PM
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a reply to: windword

he's not wrong, you're just miffed at the idea of having to pay for something.....

so what they're saying is "if they don't wanna pay for it, we'll just shift the cost to the taxpayers"....well i say f**k you...what if we don't wanna pay for it either?

what ever happened to the good ol' days when if you wanted something, you paid for it? when did we become a culture of commies who expect uncle 'murrica to cover our every need and desire?
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posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 04:22 PM
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originally posted by: Gryphon66

The majority of the public disagrees with the ruling.



Well isn't THAT cute! You've already designed and implemented your own little survey of the "majority of the public"!

Out with it - what are the hard numbers? How clear of a "majority", and of what sort is it?

You obviously have the numbers - don't sit on them! We're all waiting with baited breath!



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 04:23 PM
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originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: jimmyx

I have no problem paying for my own viagra. Why should anyone else pay for my hard-on?

I would (and did not!) ever get a vasectomy. Period. No one with a knife is getting close to my gonads. Thats not a religious choice...it's a personal one involving me and my nuts.




a little humor, to thin out the bile and vitriol..
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posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 04:27 PM
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a reply to: butcherguy

don't forget peach pits..those were another popular one...



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 04:29 PM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: bbracken677


Here is the effing path. Jesus!

The woman goes to the doctor (just as before). The woman tells the doc she needs "the pill" (whatever that is) (JUST AS BEFORE). The doctor writes a prescription (JUST AS EFFING BEFORE). She takes the prescription to the drugstore and fills it. JUST AS BEFORE!!!!!!

That!!! is the freaking pathway to contraceptives. Get it? Jeez man...wtf?


Here's snippet from the Supreme Court ruling. They are musing over ways to provide disenfranchised women access to the contraception that they are UNABLE TO GET!


The Government could, e.g., assume the cost of providing the four contraceptives to women unable to obtain coverage due to their employers’ religious objections


You're wrong. Admit it and chill out, Dude!



Seriously? That quote is your argument? There isn't even a source listed. As far as I am concerned that could be a quote from your neighbor regarding what the govt "could" do.

There is no problem with access. If you are working, you can pay. If you are not working, then obviously you are not working for Hobby Lobby, or any other company. If that is the case, then go to planned abortion, excuse me, planned parenthood. There is no problem with ACCESS to contraceptives as a result of this ruling.

Seriously... I feel like I have lost some IQ points just reading this thread.



posted on Jul, 2 2014 @ 04:31 PM
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a reply to: jimmyx

right, because everyone you disagree with is a republican...



...silly partisan hack...



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