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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: windword
I kind of fail to see how it matters weather or not this type of bc can cause an abortion or not
Some religions will include all types of birth control even condoms in the list that they find offensive.
and the spirit of the decision is based on the idea that the gov't cann't force a company to buy a product for another that runs contradictory to their belief.
even if the supremes restricted the decision to just this one case and the birth control items just to a small list. I don't see how they could justify notruling in like manner when the next case comes along with their own trespassed beliefs..
originally posted by: macman
Don't really need people from other countries telling the US how to resolve OUR problems.
As for "gold diggers" comment. The truth really is painful sometimes.
originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: windword
I kind of fail to see how it matters weather or not this type of bc can cause an abortion or not is relevant.
Some religions will include all types of birth control even condoms in the list that they find offensive.
and the spirit of the decision is based on the idea that the gov't can be forced to buy a product for another that runs contradictory to their belief.
even if the supremes restricted the decision to just this one case and the birth control items just to a small list. I don't see how they could justify ruling in like manner when the next case comes along with their own trespassed beliefs..
originally posted by: Dfairlite
originally posted by: solomons path
Sweet . . . I love this decision.
As an atheist business owner, I will no longer be paying "holiday pay", closing up, or honoring "requested days off" for "Christmas".
Mandates be damned!!
Whoo-hoo!!
Many businesses are open on christmas, it's not mandated you close. Holiday pay is not mandated either (at least federally). Nor do you have to honor requests for any day off, just be prepared to lose employees by the drove.
originally posted by: mOjOm
Yah, because the US is known for keeping our noses out of other countries problems. It's good that we walk the walk and talk the talk so well isn't it???
originally posted by: mOjOm
And who's truth would that be???
originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: windword
Fact : If your almighty science could prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that the drugs in question do not effect a fertilized egg's ability to implant in the uterus, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. The science involved is all theory on both sides of the argument, nothing conclusive.
Everything that I have heard coming from legal people says that if a closely held company finds religious objection to any birth control methods other than those four listed in the suit, they will have to go to court to have their claim upheld.
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: butcherguy
Everything that I have heard coming from legal people says that if a closely held company finds religious objection to any birth control methods other than those four listed in the suit, they will have to go to court to have their claim upheld.
Not true. SCOTUS ruled that ALL birth control falls into the exempted category. Not just those 4 methods. Employers, that qualify, will not have to to go to court again to deny birth control, any birth control coverage.
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: butcherguy
Everything that I have heard coming from legal people says that if a closely held company finds religious objection to any birth control methods other than those four listed in the suit, they will have to go to court to have their claim upheld.
Not true. SCOTUS ruled that ALL birth control falls into the exempted category. Not just those 4 methods. Employers, that qualify, will not have to to go to court again to deny birth control, any birth control coverage.
originally posted by: butcherguy
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: butcherguy
Everything that I have heard coming from legal people says that if a closely held company finds religious objection to any birth control methods other than those four listed in the suit, they will have to go to court to have their claim upheld.
Not true. SCOTUS ruled that ALL birth control falls into the exempted category. Not just those 4 methods. Employers, that qualify, will not have to to go to court again to deny birth control, any birth control coverage.
Even so, I don't know why women have their panties in such a wad. Where have they been all along? Men get no birth control coverage by the ACA rules... when women do. Kind of sexist, isn't it?
originally posted by: butcherguy
originally posted by: windword
a reply to: butcherguy
Everything that I have heard coming from legal people says that if a closely held company finds religious objection to any birth control methods other than those four listed in the suit, they will have to go to court to have their claim upheld.
Not true. SCOTUS ruled that ALL birth control falls into the exempted category. Not just those 4 methods. Employers, that qualify, will not have to to go to court again to deny birth control, any birth control coverage.
I am not finding that anywhere. The legal beagles on the talking head shows are saying differently.
The Supreme Court delivered a blow to universal birth control coverage on Monday, ruling that closely-held corporations can refuse to cover contraception in their health plans for religious reasons.
www.huffingtonpost.com...
originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: butcherguy
you want the privilege to ingest toxic chemicals to avoid impregnating women also at no cost??
I don't really think you do. And well are there any drugs on the market that enable you to?? No??? That's probably because it's the men (who really don't want that responsibility placed on them) that have been the main players to bringing them to market!
originally posted by: MrSpad
I have never understood how pro teen pregnacy was Christian value. Then again the entire anti birth control thing seems be slowly abandoned by the major Christian religions (mostly because its members just ignore it) so I suppose in a decade it will not matter anyway.
Imagine that a woman starts work at Hobby Lobby tomorrow morning — July 1. She joins Hobby Lobby’s health care plan. It includes access, copay-free, to the following categories of FDA-approved birth-control:
Male condoms
Female condoms
Diaphragms with spermicide
Sponges with spermicide
Cervical caps with spermicide
Spermicide alone
Birth-control pills with estrogen and progestin (“Combined Pill)
Birth-control pills with progestin alone (“The Mini Pill)
Birth control pills (extended/continuous use)
Contraceptive patches
Contraceptive rings
Progestin injections
Implantable rods
Vasectomies
Female sterilization surgeries
Female sterilization implants
What Hobby Lobby will not cover are four contraceptive methods that its owners fear are abortifacients:
Plan B (“The Morning After Pill”)
Ella (a similar type of “emergency contraception”)
Copper Intra-Uterine Device
IUD with progestin
www.nationalreview.com...