Hobby Lobby wins Supreme Court case, limits the ACA contraception mandate

originally posted by: nenothtu

originally posted by: paleorchid13

originally posted by: nenothtu

originally posted by: paleorchid13
a reply to: Dfairlite

Have you heard of Maslow's hierarchy of needs?
I hate to go all scholastic on ya ..but sex is a biological need ..no matter how dirty you religious folk wanna paint it.
It's like eating, or sleeping ......sooner or later you'll be dreaming about a love partner or sex .

No, it's not a "biological need". Maslow dealt with psychology, not biology. You will die without food or sleep - you will not die from lack of sex.

You're wrong.
Sorry , that was rude. Let's play a little scenario out instead?

???

Wrong? How do you think I'm wrong?

Do you believe that going without food or sleep will not kill you, or that going without sex WILL kill you?

Just how am I "wrong"? please elaborate, and show me my "wrongness", back up your statement rather than just stating it as if it were fact.

There are asexuals ....very rare though. Although not as desperate as airway, breathing, circulation , sustenance, ....sex is classified as a biological drive. Are you saying it's easy to fight attraction or sexual drive and that living as a ..say monk in the Himalayas is an easy task? Fighting it takes discipline and many people fail ...controlling sex has never worked ..nor will it ever .

originally posted by: Destinyone
a reply to: amazing

Viagra and penis pumps don't terminate a pregnancy. Thus, they don't violate HL' religious beliefs.

Big difference...

Des

Hmmm. Not arguing against anything you said or you personally. I see the difference but...well it just doesn't sit well with me. Especially with all the...I'm not paying so you can have sex quotes in this thread. LOL

Here's some interesting things about Hobby Lobby....

story from April 2013...
Hobby Lobby Raises Minimum Wage to $14 for Full-Time Employees

a reply to: amazing

Having sex is a very personal issue. Taking responsibility for the outcome of deciding to have sex, is also a personal issue.

It's not the place for government to interject themselves into our bedrooms. There have been low cost clinics based on sliding scale for years, and Planned Parenthood, to fill the gaps for those needing low cost or free BC.

For the government to mandate everyone's personal sex life is the responsibility of everyone, hetero, gay, old or young...priest or nun...is so far off base, it's ridiculous.

JMOHO...

Des

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: MsSmith
Hobby Lobby is obviously a small family owned business, so I agree with the decision.

Have you lost it completely or were you just being funny with that statement???

This is from the Hobby Lobby Corp. website.
Hobby Lobby - Our Company

Today, Hobby Lobby is considered a leader in the arts and crafts industry. We have 572 stores across the nation that average 55,000 square feet and offer more than 67,000 crafting and home decor products. Hobby Lobby is listed as a major private corporation in Forbes and Fortunes list of America's largest private companies, and our company carries no long-term debt.

Yeah, just a little mom and pop company.

Why would anyone even think that is beyond me. What made you think they are some little company in the first place???

Yea, I was being ironic.... lol

originally posted by: Destinyone
a reply to: amazing

Having sex is a very personal issue. Taking responsibility for the outcome of deciding to have sex, is also a personal issue.

It's not the place for government to interject themselves into our bedrooms. There have been low cost clinics based on sliding scale for years, and Planned Parenthood, to fill the gaps for those needing low cost or free BC.

For the government to mandate everyone's personal sex life is the responsibility of everyone, hetero, gay, old or young...priest or nun...is so far off base, it's ridiculous.

JMOHO...

Des

Contraceptives are a wonderful thing and should be a right in any healthcare coverage especially in this day and age. Especially in the first world country that we live in. The supreme court made a really bad decision today.

originally posted by: amazing
But you guys see what they did here, right?

Their, Hobby Lobby's, religions beliefs trump the law. Therefore, if any private company doesn't like a law they can just claim it was against their religious beliefs. We've had this debate before, regarding homosexuality and Christians.

That's a slippery slope, right? Doesn't this pave the way for Sharia Law? Doesn't this ruling strengthen the case and set a precedent that any religion can use to skirt any law they want. What about Islam? We're not worried about that?

And why is it okay for Hobby Lobby to pay for Viagra and penis pumps? This whole thing stinks.

No, that's not what happened. In order to infringe upon someone's rights (the first amendment in this case) to further a public interest, the government has to prove it's doing so in the way that least infringes upon those rights. The government failed to prove to the supreme court that they were doing so.

a reply to: amazing

Our Constitution states we have freedom of religion. No where does it state we have a right to free birth control...

Des

originally posted by: Dfairlite

originally posted by: amazing
But you guys see what they did here, right?

Their, Hobby Lobby's, religions beliefs trump the law. Therefore, if any private company doesn't like a law they can just claim it was against their religious beliefs. We've had this debate before, regarding homosexuality and Christians.

That's a slippery slope, right? Doesn't this pave the way for Sharia Law? Doesn't this ruling strengthen the case and set a precedent that any religion can use to skirt any law they want. What about Islam? We're not worried about that?

And why is it okay for Hobby Lobby to pay for Viagra and penis pumps? This whole thing stinks.

No, that's not what happened. In order to infringe upon someone's rights (the first amendment in this case) to further a public interest, the government has to prove it's doing so in the way that least infringes upon those rights. The government failed to prove to the supreme court that they were doing so.

I see what you're saying but I still think it opens the door for some unsavory stuff. Keep in mind that it was a really close decision 5-4.

originally posted by: Destinyone
a reply to: amazing

Our Constitution states we have freedom of religion. No where does it state we have a right to free birth control...

Des

Not saying free. I'm saying that it should be standard in any healthcare coverage. If you're implying that ACA is wrong, that's a different topic.

a reply to: amazing
"Keep in mind that it was a really close decision 5-4."

That's only because one side of the isle loves to give away 'free' (read: other peoples) stuff. But that's an argument for another thread

originally posted by: Dfairlite

originally posted by: Jason88
a reply to: thesaneone
I think it's solid to remind ourselves about freedom, and that we provide to women in the US - who yet again are being dictated to by insecure men.

I love this argument, the "if you aren't a woman you should have no say" argument. I guess doctors who haven't had AIDS or Cancer shouldn't have a say in their patients treatment. The argument smacks of stupidity. And again, women haven't been told anything by the US. In the US they can still purchase any contraceptives they want. In the US they can still get an abortion. But the fact that an employer can say "I'm not paying for that, it violates my beliefs" is somehow a negative reflection on the US? But it would be a positive reflection of the US if the government said "you have to do what we say, regardless of your beliefs"? You have some weird world views.

You really don't see the difference between a man telling a woman what she can and can't do with her own body and an educated doctor treating a patient for cancer? Seriously??? LMAO!

To start, cancer and AIDS are both diseases. Despite what you may believe, being a woman is not. There's always a possibility anyone could develop a disease, but there's no possibility that a man will ever develop a uterus. Second, while a doctor can suggest treatments, he can't force you to undergo or not undergo any treatment you choose. You have the final say, not your doctor, which is true of almost anything else when it comes to a man's body. You can decide not to undergo chemo and use holistic medicine instead. Right now as we speak, women in this country can't undergo a procedure to terminate an unwanted pregnancy because some man somewhere decided those women don'r have the right to make decisions about their own body.

No matter how hard you try, you cannot become a biological woman if you are born a man. So nothing a woman can or can't do to her body could EVER affect a man, including men who undergo gender reassignment, SO NO, MEN DO NOT GET A SAY IN ANY WOMEN ONLY ISSUES. Please tell how how taking birth control or getting an abortion has any affect on any man anywhere. You could argue that it has an effect on the potential fetus, but since you aren't that fetus and that fetus's existence has no effect on you (outstde of paying child support if you happen to be the father), you still have no right to tell any woman what she can and cannot do to her own body on her own time. Ever.

a reply to: Destinyone

And what bedroom is the government intruding in on your life , if I may ask a personal question? Obviously you aren't gay, bisexual, a minority or impoverished. What are you majoring in right now?

This is becoming super entertaining,anytime the progressives go bat**** crazy it is hilarious!

originally posted by: paleorchid13
a reply to: Destinyone

And what bedroom is the government intruding in on your life , if I may ask a personal question? Obviously you aren't gay, bisexual, a minority or impoverished. What are you majoring in right now?

I'm 63 years old. Majoring in working my ass off to make a living...does that answer your question.

Des

a reply to: Destinyone

Hun, you must have been through some hard times. I'm not exactly clear what your message is to young woman though...

a reply to: Sunwolf

some interesting meme's out there from both sides

youngcons.com...

but pretty much any time the supreme court does any thing some group of people tends to get offended or angry nature of the beast

a reply to: amazing

Contraceptives are a wonderful thing and should be a right in any healthcare coverage especially in this day and age. Especially in the first world country that we live in. The supreme court made a really bad decision today.

They only targeted the abortion drugs.

Contraceptives stay.

Abortion was the issue.

originally posted by: paleorchid13
a reply to: Destinyone

Hun, you must have been through some hard times. I'm not exactly clear what your message is to young woman though...

I've worked my whole life for what I have. Home paid in full, current on property taxes, still paying way too much taxes for others who think they should get all I have, for free.

My message to young women is to be self reliant. To not depend on other people, to make sure your life is the life you want, the way you want.

To think before you act, to look ahead to see the consequences your actions cause. To grow up and be Women, not little girls waiting for someone to hand them everything they think they need.

Government is not a benevolent pseudo daddy, that's going to fix everything for you. Government is a leash that once you are on it...you can never get off.

Des

Looks like I'm done ever shopping at that store again. Not a big loss, really.

What I don't understand is how people can get behind the corporation not covering their birth control. What a loss for the people that work there now.

Maybe Hobby Lobby is fine with paying all the college tuition that is needed for the children that are about to be spawned from their minimum wage employees.