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Hobby Lobby wins Supreme Court case, limits the ACA contraception mandate

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posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 10:00 AM
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originally posted by: MrSpad
I have never understood how pro teen pregnacy was Christian value. Then again the entire anti birth control thing seems be slowly abandoned by the major Christian religions (mostly because its members just ignore it) so I suppose in a decade it will not matter anyway.



Nobody is telling Christians not to use birth control they are saying that they don't want to pay for your birth control.




posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 10:02 AM
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originally posted by: Destinyone
a reply to: dawnstar

With the scandal the IRS is steeped in, and corruption running deep. I don't think it will make it to the taxpayer paying for squat. Obama's mandates have weakened to the point of wet toilet paper.

What do you think will happen when politicians running for office, start running ads opposing making the taxpayers pay for BC for everyone that has an exemption.

Des




Title X has nothing to do with, and was put in place long before Obama or the ACA.


For more than 40 years, Title X family planning clinics have played a critical role in ensuring access to a broad range of family planning and related preventive health services for millions of low-income or uninsured individuals and others.


www.hhs.gov...



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 10:04 AM
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Well of course, if you pay someone you have every right to force your beliefs on them. Paying insurance for employees is not a affront to your religion. What the person does with their insurance is their business. But believers in a sad, archaic, dying religion will do anything to force their belief on others.



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 10:04 AM
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a reply to: thesaneone

So it is not about values and what the faith believes this is just about a company not wanting to spend money?
I'm shocked. But let's keeps screaming about how this a win for Christian values



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 10:05 AM
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originally posted by: Destinyone
a reply to: windword

I can see you don't buy BC. You do know you can go to any Planned Parenthood and get it for practically free.

Making it a mandate was never a good idea in the first place.

Des



The ACA was designed to relieve tax payer burden for birth control by placing the mandate in basic health care coverage that is already being provided in employee compensation packages.

I'm past the age and don't need BC. But my daughter does, and her IUD copay was $800.
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posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 10:06 AM
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a reply to: windword

Let people go to Planned Parenthood for BC. To mandate anyone but the person getting it, is against the Constitution.

I'm 63 years old, don't need BC. I already pay high school taxes with no kids in school. I'm OK with that. Let those who use BC pay for it, or get it free from Planned Parenthood.

That's what Planned Parenthood was established for in the first place.

Des



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 10:06 AM
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originally posted by: thesaneone

originally posted by: MrSpad
I have never understood how pro teen pregnacy was Christian value. Then again the entire anti birth control thing seems be slowly abandoned by the major Christian religions (mostly because its members just ignore it) so I suppose in a decade it will not matter anyway.



Nobody is telling Christians not to use birth control they are saying that they don't want to pay for your birth control.


That is EXACTLY right. What a lot of people do not consider when they say "but it's just insurance! What do they care??". Well, there are a good number of companies (like most trucking companies I ran for) that are various levels of SELF insured...and now, all of the sudden, what may be 'just an insurance checkbox' to Ma and Pa Kettle using group coverage for their business employees becomes something else entirely by the self insured and direct action nature of it.

Of course, they could just not be self insured to avoid that...but the court just seems to have reaffirmed the President has NO right to tell a business they have to do that in our free nation.




posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 10:07 AM
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originally posted by: Destinyone
a reply to: windword

I can see you don't buy BC. You do know you can go to any Planned Parenthood and get it for practically free.

Making it a mandate was never a good idea in the first place.

Des


In many cases BC does help with the woman's health. They are many problems that BC treats so by denying it to their employees Hobby Lobby is denying healthcare for their employees.



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 10:09 AM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
Does this also set the precedent that life starts at conception?

No.

It is a slap down of Obama's overreach and it's protecting the rights of people to live their faith. People who are in a religion that is against artificial birth control are not allowed by their faith to even help others receive it. To force those people to provide birth control to others would be against their religion.

The Court ruled correctly.



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 10:09 AM
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a reply to: damwel

There are well over 1 billion people in that "dying religion" and another Billion plus in another which is no more friendly to this kind of thing, I'm guessing.

If someone is waiting for the Faith and religious basis of over a billion people to die out....we'll all be gone many generations before that's likely to happen, by the math and scale of numbers alone.

Thank goodness, long after I'm gone, if that is the way of things in the future.



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 10:09 AM
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a reply to: Wrabbit2000

Exactly Wrabbit. People also forget this whole BC issue was to beef up the Democratic Woman voting base, to being with.

Des



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 10:10 AM
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a reply to: Destinyone

how much have we already paid for that malfunctioning obamacare site?? It's far too much I know that!
So now they will go through and start meddling with it more to include something for those who will be losing their coverage for birth control along with the coverage itself! We are gonna be paying for it before the elections and probably after!



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 10:12 AM
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originally posted by: the owlbear
I guess that means that being a person of nonviolence, I can elect for my tax dollars not to go to the defense budget...precedent set.


Obamacare is not a tax

This ruling is about compelling someone (owner of a business in this case) to provide a service for their employees that runs counter to their religious beliefs.

It is about religious freedom



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 10:13 AM
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a reply to: Destinyone

Do a Google search on the "Push to Defund Planned Parenthood".




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posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 10:13 AM
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a reply to: dawnstar

Nope.

They'll just push for single-payer to eliminate all of the dog and pony show of pretending you have a choice.



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 10:14 AM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Destinyone

how much have we already paid for that malfunctioning obamacare site?? It's far too much I know that!
So now they will go through and start meddling with it more to include something for those who will be losing their coverage for birth control along with the coverage itself! We are gonna be paying for it before the elections and probably after!




You are right we should just do away with the whole Obama care all together.



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 10:14 AM
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originally posted by: Destinyone
a reply to: windword

Let people go to Planned Parenthood for BC. To mandate anyone but the person getting it, is against the Constitution.

I'm 63 years old, don't need BC. I already pay high school taxes with no kids in school. I'm OK with that. Let those who use BC pay for it, or get it free from Planned Parenthood.

That's what Planned Parenthood was established for in the first place.

Des



But who provides funding to Planned Parenthood?


Planned Parenthood has received federal funding since 1970, when President Richard Nixon signed into law the Family Planning Services and Population Research Act, amending the Public Health Service Act. Title X of that law provides funding for family planning services, including contraception and family planning information. The law enjoyed bipartisan support from liberals who saw contraception access as increasing families' control over their lives, and conservatives who saw it as a way to keep people off welfare. Nixon described Title X funding as based on the premise that "no American woman should be denied access to family planning assistance because of her economic condition."
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en.wikipedia.org...

Where does the federal government get their money to provide funding? From the tax payers. You and me, and the owners of Hobby Lobby.



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 10:14 AM
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originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: Destinyone
a reply to: windword

I can see you don't buy BC. You do know you can go to any Planned Parenthood and get it for practically free.

Making it a mandate was never a good idea in the first place.

Des


In many cases BC does help with the woman's health. They are many problems that BC treats so by denying it to their employees Hobby Lobby is denying healthcare for their employees.


Buster...the tide is turning against the Nanny Government that thinks no one should be RESPONSIBLE for themselves in any way. As a Woman, I can tell you. BC and any reason a person may need it. Is NOT the responsibility of government. Nor should it be a burden on the taxpayers. We aleady pay for a vast organization called Planned Parenthood set up for this purpose.

Des

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posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 10:14 AM
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a reply to: Destinyone



Let people go to Planned Parenthood for BC. To mandate anyone but the person getting it, is against the Constitution.

Mind pointing this out? Where in the Constitution does it mention BC?



That's what Planned Parenthood was established for in the first place.

Would this be the same planned parenthood that the GOP keeps pushing to cut it's funding? So let's see cut it's funding and dump more people on the program. Yeah that will work out great.



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 10:17 AM
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a reply to: buster2010

If the Constitution has nothing stated about BC then it has absolutely no place as a constitutional issue, unless it's used in a way to encroach upon the base rights of others.

In this case, the court found the decree for coverage WAS encroaching upon the rights of the business owner to be forced into action contrary to deeply held religious Faith.

Like or not I suppose, this is now the law of the land and what is done is done. It could have gone the other way, and we'd have grumbled ...but found a way to make peace with it. God knows, we have for enough else since at least '07.




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