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Hobby Lobby wins Supreme Court case, limits the ACA contraception mandate

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posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 01:30 PM
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All this hand-wringing over a ruling that applies to such a narrow section of society. Have any of you having the vapors over this even bothered to think about the reality? How many businesses are still only owned by such a small group of individuals? Most of those that are will be in the small business size, not the Hobby Lobby size (it's only a weird coincidence that my husband would actually work for one in the Hobby Lobby league), and of those, how many will go so far as claim the exemption over what is really only about four methods out of 20 mandated?

Yes, it's a victory for religious liberty, but it's hardly as sweeping as you would have it be ... unless so many people so hate Obamacare that they suddenly "discover" a deep-seated faith just on general principle.




posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 01:30 PM
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originally posted by: Kali74
Government can't tell you what to do in your own private life but your boss can.

This ruling doesn't have the boss telling people what to do in their private lives. Those people can still go out and get their IUDs or Morning After/Week After pills elsewhere just fine. They also can get their birth control pills paid for by Hobby Lobby just fine. So no boss has any say in what a person does in their private lives.



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 01:32 PM
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originally posted by: Kali74
Government can't tell you what to do in your own private life but your boss can.


No they can't. Hobby Lobby never told anyone they couldn't have those things; they just declined to pay for them.

Did my parents tell me I couldn't have designer jeans growing up when they said "When you earn the money for them on your own"?
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posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 01:33 PM
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What if the BC pills were prescribed for something other than BC? I don't know how many women I've known that were put on the pill because their cycle was "off". BC is just a side effect. What about that?



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 01:34 PM
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originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: amazing

I don't believe the Bible addresses contraceptives, so what exactly are you accusing me of? And what in the world does that have to do with the correlation between contraceptives and women's health?


Hobby lobby was citing religion as a reason for denying this basic health care tenant. If not religion, then why are you against contraceptives for women?





NOBODY is telling women they can't take contraceptives they are saying they don't want to pay for it and even then they are talking about abortion pills.



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 01:34 PM
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a reply to: FlyersFan




And 'thou shalt not kill'. that applies to the abortificants like the morning after pill and the IUD. They DO allow for sperm to meet egg and then flush the newly conceived child.



If the God of Bible the was actually pro-life then he would never have commanded that women who weren't virgins be killed, pregnant or not. Nor would he have given the priests the abortion ritual, handed out for jealous husbands that couldn't prove infidelity, in the book of Numbers.

Of course all adulterers were also killed, pregnant or not.


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posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 01:34 PM
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I think the problem lies in that people think that companies/corporations have an obligation to take care of their every need.

Regardless of religious or societal implication.

They are so used to having government take care of their every need that this now extends to private business.

They, in fact, want business to be just like government.



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 01:35 PM
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originally posted by: windword
But there can be no pregnancy before implantation.

No hun. A woman is pregnant at conception. A human life has begun. A baby is on the way. To say it isn't abortion simply because the baby isn't clinging to the wall yet???? NOPE. That may be what the drug companies claim in order to make those aborting their children think that they aren't .... but the fact is those that use the IUD or the Morning/Week after pill many times are flushing/killing conceived children. That's murder in the eyes of the Christian, Muslim and Jewish faiths.



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 01:35 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: neo96
Because people uses ARTIFICIAL means to interfere with a natural process.


Dying from cancer is a natural process. Are you against chemotherapy and radiation treatments as well?


From my understanding that 'cure' is worse than the disease.

Intentional dosage of radiation ?



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 01:36 PM
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a reply to: windword
Take it up with those who believe in the Old Testament God.
I don't ... so I can't address that.



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 01:36 PM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: neo96




Because people uses ARTIFICIAL means to interfere with a natural process.


Natural things like Polio, Rubella, Cancer.....?



A person has to actually be born to get those eh.



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 01:37 PM
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originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: neo96
Because people uses ARTIFICIAL means to interfere with a natural process.


Dying from cancer is a natural process. Are you against chemotherapy and radiation treatments as well?


From my understanding that 'cure' is worse than the disease.

Intentional dosage of radiation ?


That doesn't answer the question. Are you against these?



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 01:37 PM
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a reply to: intrepid
It's also prescribed for serious acne.
Hobby Lobby pays for birth control pills.
So I don't know if that's an issue.
They only opted out of those considered to be abortificants -
Morning/Week after pill ... IUD .... and one other (can't remember right now).



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 01:39 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: neo96
Because people uses ARTIFICIAL means to interfere with a natural process.


Dying from cancer is a natural process. Are you against chemotherapy and radiation treatments as well?


From my understanding that 'cure' is worse than the disease.

Intentional dosage of radiation ?


That doesn't answer the question. Are you against these?


Should be I ?

A person has to be born first.

Am I against intentionally irradiating myself ?

Yeah who wouldn't be ?



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 01:40 PM
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originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: amazing

I don't believe the Bible addresses contraceptives, so what exactly are you accusing me of? And what in the world does that have to do with the correlation between contraceptives and women's health?


Well you'll have to step way, way back to get the orders issued to the race of Man. The very first command given to the man/woman couple was to go forth and multiply. So efforts that don't move this command forward are in the wrong. Sucks when it breaks down that simply. Everyone wants a "but in my case..." thinking they're special and above that command. Ego is a bad thing.



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 01:41 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
Should be I ?


Well you said an artificial means to stay off a natural process. So I would think you would then.



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 01:41 PM
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a reply to: FlyersFan




A woman is pregnant at conception.


Wrong. Under natural circumstances, only around 50% of fertilize eggs actually implant. Every woman who naturally flushes a fertilized egg on her period isn't having an abortion.

Again, according the American Medical Association and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists pregnancy occurs upon implantation.


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posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 01:44 PM
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originally posted by: Restricted
But I'll bet they have to pay for Viagra.



Viagra is not birth control.


Let's deny ignorance here.


Condom's are not covered either.



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 01:45 PM
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The very first command given to the man/woman couple was to go forth and multiply.


Certainly Jewish law required that every Jewish man should have at least one girl and one boy, and rabbi did encourage families not to stop there, but they did have the right to stop there.

There is no biblical taboo on contraception or abortion, and in fact both were being practiced.



posted on Jun, 30 2014 @ 01:45 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Well the things is, people earn their health insurance... it's part of their compensation for working for a company. One of the main reasons people get health insurance is for prescription coverage, since people are working for and earning their health insurance no one should be able to dictate what prescriptions are covered. It's the same thing as your employer being able to tell you what to do with your paycheck, shouldn't ever happen. Hobby Lobby isn't buying the contraceptives they are compensating their employees for work via health insurance, the worker gets to decide what is and isn't covered... well that's how it should be.




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