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originally posted by: Chiftel
originally posted by: fartsmeller46
It`s true that the ultra rich feel untouchable and they don`t fear any sort of peasant uprising against themselves because the scyops in govt. are steering ideologically opposed groups like the far left and far right against each other,making each side look bat # crazy to the other side.If all goes to plan the rich will still get there reset due to a catastrophic collapse of society but unlike incidents of the past like the French revolution where the royalty and the rich were the vermin being killed and fought against in order to achieve freedom,this time the collapse will be caused by the all out civil war between the liberals and conservatives.The uber rich will just tuck away till it`s over and then proceed to lay the groundwork on how they will # over the next manifestation of civilization.
The super rich look at us as disposable and something to use for there own wants and needs.They payed off congress and the potus to pass NAFTA and CAFTA,which has completely destroyed American industry,and now even though unemployment is 4% in Mexico the hoards of illegals are streaming across the border taking most remaining jobs away from Americans or planting there fat asses on the couch collecting benefits that they have no right to.Congress wants amnesty because there overlords want cheap labor and they continue to lobby for it despite overwhelming disapproval for amnesty by the public.They figure if they have enough money for campaigning they can just bombard there constituents with misleading attacks on there opponents or simply lie to them about there intentions and that will be enough to sway the stupid masses into re-electing them,and unfortunately in a lot of cases it an accurate assessment. (Thad Cochran anybody?)
The right has always been for the interests of the rich and ultra rich to the detriment of everyone else's and nothing else.
Against humanity, against the well being of the many, the poor, the weak, the frail, the downtrodden, the environment, the commons (if, when and is as much as the right countenance to tolerate there being such a thing as commons).
Always for those who own against those who (actually) work or neither can work or find work, nor own anything worth mentioning.
You are either knowingly perpetuating propaganda that the left and the right are the same or ... you actually believe what you're saying.
Which is tragic and a testament to the sophistication and effectiveness of the right's propaganda.
That so many people buy it.
Perhaps you all secretly believe and hope you'll be one of the rich some day as well, if only you root for them long and hard enough. So that is why you disown and betray your own class's interests.
Well, you aren't.
The longer capitalism goes on the greater the divide in wealth and power of the few and the money and the smaller percentage of the population that aren't poor.
originally posted by: fartsmeller46
And you perpetuate the myth of the left that conservatives are all racist and rich with no regard for the downtrodden.This is of course left wing propaganda and it is a sweeping generalization of the many based on a few.This sort of generalization is wrong when used against any group not just when it fits your point of view.I am conservative and have worked a blue collar job for 25 years.It has more to do with maintaining a moral standard in society and giving a man a hand up rather than a hand out.If a man does well in life through hard work and dedication then that man should be admired not crucified.I believe in people and i think most can rise to the occasion and make a living if they work hard and forget the poor pitiful me thought process.
If you think for a minute that ultra rich crooked bankers and CEO`s who steal and embezzle to the detriment of society are all republicans then you need to get out of the vacuum you live in and learn some facts.Many of the top billionaire crooks in this country are democrats and it has nothing to do with party lines and everything to do with greed.
originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Chiftel
What does any of what you have just said, or indeed what fartsmeller46 just said, directly have to do with the issue at hand?
The issue at hand is that a filthy rich man, wants workers to be paid a living wage, and offers damned good reasons to people who occupy the same social and economic strata as himself, why they ought to want that too!
It does not mean that right and left are all alike, but it does mean that they are not as important as coming together for common cause, that being to stabilise the economy of the United States in a way which allows growth AND brings people to a point where they can be part of that growth, no matter what end of the process of business, they happen to be involved in, is more important than red and blue divides. It is a measure which makes work profitable and that is to be commended.
originally posted by: undo
here's a better idea. for every dollar the employer pays his employees above minimum wage, the employer gets more in tax write offs. however for that to work, the laws that allow the super rich to pay no taxes at all, have to be removed. that's the fly in the ointment.
Can you find me one Republican / Conservative / Tea Partier in favour of this rich dude's proposal?
On Friday, several top national Republicans including Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, and Tim Pawlenty all publicly declared their support for raising the federal minimum wage. Such a dramatic political breakthrough—obviously coordinated at the highest levels—greatly increases the likelihood it will actually happen, and tens of millions of low-wage American workers will see a large rise in their annual incomes.
When I first published my 12,000 word article almost three years suggesting a large hike in the minimum wage as a possible solution to a wide range of our social and economic problems, I stood very much alone.
I can’t think of a single significant Republican or conservative who publicly supported a higher minimum wage at that point.
Several leading Republicans have called for raising the federal minimum wage and others are speaking more forcefully about the party’s failure to connect with low-income Americans — stances that are causing a growing rift within the party over how best to address the gulf between the rich and poor.
The slothful are the ones who won't work because they can't see a reason to support the society while it provides for them with massive handouts. These two groups when combined will bring society to its knees.