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An ordinary jet might burn one ton of kerosene fuel to make 1.3 tons of steam for each hundred miles.
A 100 mile long contrail will be about 1/2 the distance across the sky as seen from the ground.
But since the resulting contrail can grow in mass up to 10,000 times from water pulled out of the saturated atmosphere, the result would be a contrail weighing 10,000 times as much, or 1.3 x 10,000= 13,000 tons per 100 miles. There is the rub, however, because the largest ordinary cargo jet, an A380-800, can only carry at most 150 tons cargo + 288 tons fuel=438 tons.
Even if the contrail only grew 1000 times in mass by pulling water from the atmosphere, this would require a dispersion of 1300 tons per 100 miles, halfway across the sky, over twice the TOTAL fuel and cargo capacity of the largest jet.
originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: JonButtonIII
Um. there is a lot more air traffic today, then way back then. There are new engines that are more efficient, but produce more contrails than the old ones, and there are more people who need to get places. If the skies looked the same, then something would be very wrong.
originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: vethumanbeing
Tell you what,you show me some facts, stating that and I'll believe it.
I'll trust this, until you canprove it wrong.
originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: JonButtonIII
Um. there is a lot more air traffic today, then way back then. There are new engines that are more efficient, but produce more contrails than the old ones, and there are more people who need to get places. If the skies looked the same, then something would be very wrong.
And that video may have shown an area that was very conducive for contrails and cloud formation. Or it could all be a massive conspiracy to cover most of the state in order to block the events of the SH thing. Since no air samples were taken, we just don't know.
originally posted by: vethumanbeing
Actually there isn't more air traffic; airlines cant afford to fly anymore with half full cabins so the flights have actually decreased in number.
If in a dry 15% humidity those water vapor trails would be sucked up instantly (dissipating) into the surrounding atmosphere.
Chemtale section of what exactly
originally posted by: vethumanbeing
a reply to: Soylent Green Is People
You must be kidding in all seriousness (maybe during the monsoon season and that's a stretch of the imagination) July/August; what about the other 10 bone dry months of the year. Air pressures? Highs and lows? Are you a meteorologist. Do you live here and observe the weather conditions, the anomalies in the sky? F4guy has you on the run.
I was merely pointing out that at long last, despite the previous protestations on your part to maintain the illusion you have no horse in the race, that indeed, you do...
And yes, it saddens me a little to see someone else fall for such obvious tripe as this chemtrail crapola...
originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: vethumanbeing
There's nothing in this post worth a reply. Well, maybe this is,
Chemtale section of what exactly
The liebrary ?
originally posted by: vethumanbeing
a reply to: Soylent Green Is People
You haven't answered my question. Do you live here.
originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People
originally posted by: vethumanbeing
a reply to: Soylent Green Is People
You haven't answered my question. Do you live here.
No. Do I need to live there to find the atmospheric conditions at altitude?
Even if I did live there, I would still need to look up the weather balloon sounding reports to know what they were. It's not like I would automatically know the atmospheric conditions at 35,000 to 40,000 feet just by living in Arizona.