Malaysia jet passengers likely suffocated

You dont instantly pass out . it would take at the very least 30-45 sec. but most would be in the min range.

a reply to: pr0ph3t

That was proven to be a hoax. Nobody actually posted any pic after the plane disappeared.

Some very interesting replies. Please keep them coming.

I see a lot of skepticism about what the linked article says. At the risk of hijacking my own thread, my question is why? What would "they", whoever they are, have to gain by trying some elaborate cover up of the truth?

It sounds like this next search will cost a fortune. Who stands to gain from all this misdirection? And what is there to gain? Money? Power? I'm having a real problem wrapping this around my head. I hope they find some evidence, some proof, so that the truth is found. They owe the families that, at the very least.

a reply to: ChiefD

The only "reliable" source of information as to where the plane went down, comes from a single satellite that picked up the regular pings from the system that Malaysia Air didn't even subscribe to, all they have is an arc of "around" where it might be, that's it.

we all said from the start, this is going to take YEARS to find the plane, we are lucky we have even the little info that we have.

originally posted by: matadoor
a reply to: ChiefD


We all said from the start, this is going to take YEARS to find the plane, we are lucky we have even the little info that we have.

"We"said nothing of the sort.

This entire fake search is part of a cover-up of a hijacking and the only defence TPTB have against Al Qaeda efforts to wreak damage upon the west.

There will be another hijacking soon, and another after that, until they get their message through.

The search will become moot as new hijackings supercede it and show the cover-up for what it is.

Anyone who believes the news is not being managed is naive.

a reply to: Psynic

Man, folks around here get their panties in a wad quickly.

The jet is sitting at the bottom of the ocean. I can not wait for it to be found so that this topic can be closed.

originally posted by: matadoor
a reply to: Psynic

Man, folks around here get their panties in a wad quickly.

The jet is sitting at the bottom of the ocean. I can not wait for it to be found so that this topic can be closed.

If the jet crashed in the ocean we would have found debris.

The southern Indian Ocean is NOT the East River and an autopilot is NOT Captain Sullenberger.

a reply to: Psynic

See my other reply to the very long thread. The plane attempted to land as best it could with no engine thrust. I have personally done this on a 737 simulator.

The plane will be found mostly intact.

originally posted by: matadoor
a reply to: Psynic
The plane attempted to land as best it could with no engine thrust. I have personally done this on a 737 simulator.

The plane will be found mostly intact.

Done what? The official story is the plane was on autopilot. The pilot did nothing.

Planes don't land themselves, dead stick, in the ocean.

I was anchored less than 1000m from the crash of a four engine jet. It broke up into little pieces.

No Flotsam, no Jet, Sam.

I witnessed a 737 land all by itself, in some very rough weather, and yes, in a real honest to god simulator at the USAirways facility in Pittsburgh. I never had to touch the controls, nor the stick, all happened by computer, and the computer properly compensated for every trick the sim could throw at it. This was a bet I had made with a co-worker who had access to the facility.

When it flaired out, it kissed the runway like a champ.

If the plane was on auto pilot (which it was), the computer did everything it's programmed to do, to try setting the plane down as easy and as safe as the computer was trained to do, the computer wouldn't care that it was water, it's programmed to land as safely as it can.

As such, when it kissed the water, I'm betting that it stayed almost all intact. It then quickly filled with water (since the capt had pulled the de-compression handles) and quickly sank, as stated, almost entirely intact.

The question is, when they find it, will the capt be alone in the locked cabin, or did he lock himself out too after he engaged the autopilot.

That's the only question that remains in my head, all other questions are pure conspiracy theories.

originally posted by: matadoor----->If the plane was on auto pilot (which it was), the computer did everything it's programmed to do, to try setting the plane down as easy and as safe as the computer was trained to do, the computer wouldn't care that it was water, it's programmed to land as safely as it can..

Nope!
To perform an autoland the first thing you need is a runway that is in the FMS database, then functioning ILS, localizer and glideslope, then the pilot(s) have to configure the plane for landing and set up the autopilot for a coupled ILS landing.

And if they ran out of fuel they would have lost the autopilot because it need AC power from the engine driven generators/APU to work.

So nope!

Absolutely wrong. Sorry. I'll be proven correct when they find the plane, thanks!!

originally posted by: matadoor
a reply to: Psynic

See my other reply to the very long thread. The plane attempted to land as best it could with no engine thrust. I have personally done this on a 737 simulator.

The plane will be found mostly intact.

If i understand this right, you did an autoland in an 737 sim without engines running?

Let's see what we find when the plane is recovered, shall we?

originally posted by: matadoor
Let's see what we find when the plane is recovered, shall we?

Yup, but your theory is impossible, i've explained to you why.

(I currently fly the 737, and flew the 777 for four years)

And I just can't let this go.

Okay, the Captain was trying to bury this plane someplace where it would never be found.

He most likely practiced this over and over until he got the course and altitudes correct and was able to have the jet land basically intact. Without him having the SIM, this would not be possible.

He instructed the plane to cruise at between 100 and 200 feet for the last part of the trip, keeping the autopilot as slow as possible.

When BOTH engines died, the plane would rapidly lose altitude, which would happen pretty quickly, BUT would be so slow that it should kiss the water, as I said above.

I still maintain that the plane will be found mostly intact, he wouldn't want the plane breaking apart and having debris showing everyone where it was, hence why he practiced this over and over then deleted those files.

originally posted by: Ivar_Karlsen

originally posted by: matadoor
Let's see what we find when the plane is recovered, shall we?

Yup, but your theory is impossible, i've explained to you why.

(I currently fly the 737, and flew the 777 for four years)

This is like doom porn, can't wait until it's found. Just because you say you are a pilot on the internet, doesn't mean jack to me.

Seems that others also think my theory is sound.

dailycaller.com...

"The pilot of missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is now considered the prime suspect in the plane’s potential hijacking after a round of background checks excluded all others on board.

Though the official Malaysian police investigation has not ruled out mechanical failure, details released to foreign governments and crash investigators from a forthcoming report point to the careful planning and execution required to make the large Boeing 777 disappear from radar.

The inquiry named 53-year-old Captain Zaharie Shah as the “chief suspect” following 170 interviews and a profiling of all 239 people aboard the aircraft when it disappeared on March 8 en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

New evidence discovered on a sophisticated flight simulator in Shah’s home included simulation routes programmed to fly a plane far out into the Indian Ocean and land on a short island runway. The data had been deleted, but was retrieved by technical experts."



Read more: dailycaller.com...

originally posted by: matadoor
Seems that others also think my theory is sound.

dailycaller.com...

"The pilot of missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is now considered the prime suspect in the plane’s potential hijacking after a round of background checks excluded all others on board.

Though the official Malaysian police investigation has not ruled out mechanical failure, details released to foreign governments and crash investigators from a forthcoming report point to the careful planning and execution required to make the large Boeing 777 disappear from radar.

The inquiry named 53-year-old Captain Zaharie Shah as the “chief suspect” following 170 interviews and a profiling of all 239 people aboard the aircraft when it disappeared on March 8 en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

New evidence discovered on a sophisticated flight simulator in Shah’s home included simulation routes programmed to fly a plane far out into the Indian Ocean and land on a short island runway. The data had been deleted, but was retrieved by technical experts."



Read more: dailycaller.com...

The more I think about this, the more I agree with this theory. I too believe the plane will be found mostly intact somewhere at the bottom of the Indian Ocean. But if the pilot indeed planned to land the plane on a short runway maybe on a small island, something went very wrong. The plane wound up at the bottom of the ocean. I hope they find something soon.

originally posted by: ChiefD

originally posted by: matadoor
Seems that others also think my theory is sound.

dailycaller.com...

"The pilot of missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is now considered the prime suspect in the plane’s potential hijacking after a round of background checks excluded all others on board.

Though the official Malaysian police investigation has not ruled out mechanical failure, details released to foreign governments and crash investigators from a forthcoming report point to the careful planning and execution required to make the large Boeing 777 disappear from radar.

The inquiry named 53-year-old Captain Zaharie Shah as the “chief suspect” following 170 interviews and a profiling of all 239 people aboard the aircraft when it disappeared on March 8 en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

New evidence discovered on a sophisticated flight simulator in Shah’s home included simulation routes programmed to fly a plane far out into the Indian Ocean and land on a short island runway. The data had been deleted, but was retrieved by technical experts."



Read more: dailycaller.com...

The more I think about this, the more I agree with this theory. I too believe the plane will be found mostly intact somewhere at the bottom of the Indian Ocean. But if the pilot indeed planned to land the plane on a short runway maybe on a small island, something went very wrong. The plane wound up at the bottom of the ocean. I hope they find something soon.

Personally, I think he "created" the small island since the software may not have liked to try to "ditch" into the water.

That way he could practice landing with no power, and see how the autopilot reacted to losing power, and then what height he needed to be flying in order to have a "controlled" landing once the fuel was out.

The simulator is what did it for me way back when this started.